Where do I go from OBE

[Risu no Kairu]

You should go to Jamaica.

[Nick]

Hi Boats,

Welcome to the Astral Pulse! []

Your topic and questions are many and quite broad. You may want to narrow things down a bit for each topic you post. Try using our search engine to look over some past related topics and posts for each of the areas you inquire about.

Also, our Welcome to Permanent Astral Topics forum has some fact-filled threads that should answer some of your questions. Finally, I'd suggest reading Monroe yourself, as different people take different meanings sometimes to books such as his. There are a whole lot of books on OBE/AP that should be read by everyone. That way, you can compare your experiences to others. You'll find that everyone is a bit different, but some common themes will appear that should answer a number of fundamental questions.

Very best,

[lullabi]

quote:Originally posted by Risu no Kairu

You should go to Jamaica.

What's so good about Jamaica? I think he should go to China.

[ethic]

better mexico =)

[Phong]

No, I have been wondering about this myself.

I've had an incredible number of vivid dream, astral, and obe experiences - I suppose I should consider myself lucky at the young age of 20, but I tell people it's more about remembering them then trying to have them in the first place.

I haven't done or seen everything, but, I have done and seen enough to know the unending frontier of consciousness - and that leaves me at a standstill. Where do I go from here? My dreams and experiences have been quite bland... even the occasional nightmarish disturbance is met with a "been there done that" lack of surprise. "Ah, so I'm in another wasteland of hate, despair, and pain, am I? And who are you? Is that so. I bet you're fascinating, living here instead of on Earth and all that. My subconscious is filthy, you say? Oh yes, I really must clean it every now and then."

The fantastic fantasies are equally something ignoble. "What a fantastic city! Beautiful sunlit waterfalls! The vibrance and color! The perfect harmony of its government and its people, to live here is something miraculous! Oh, hello, how are you? Yes, I'm visiting. No I'm sorry I can't stay long - you see I'm going to wake up soon, nothing I can do about it. Yes, I'm one of those, "temporals," is that what you call them?"

Yes, there are other realms. Higher states of existence where one can enhance their psychic, psychokinetic abilities, etc. One might even learn to win the lottery! [:O]

In order, they are messily redundant, overwhelmingly impudent, and psychogenically diluting.

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Wait! I've found it! Love. Give back to universe, Phong, with all your God-given talents. Do you not know that love is the most precious thing we have? We are forever connected to its undending benevolence and we can become love itself and send it throughout the cosmos!

Tried it. Sorry to burst everyone's bubble, but some people just seem to like pain, lonliness, and violence. No matter how much you love them, they will tell you that if you "really" loved them, you would leave them alone. Oh, so is that the message of love?

Perhaps, in my experiences of love, I have not given them enough time. After all, I am "only" 20, with what feels like lifetimes of experience.

Time, then. Love is patient in the eyes of suffering. True love is timeless, and infinitely patient.

Time, then. I suppose that's why I came to Earth, and am not an astral entity, frolicking in an alien wilderness. I came here to learn lessons that couldn't be learned there.



Why did you come here?

[clandestino]

Hi Phong,

quote:Wait! I've found it! Love. Give back to universe, Phong, with all your God-given talents. Do you not know that love is the most precious thing we have? We are forever connected to its undending benevolence and we can become love itself and send it throughout the cosmos!

Tried it. Sorry to burst everyone's bubble, but some people just seem to like pain, lonliness, and violence. No matter how much you love them, they will tell you that if you "really" loved them, you would leave them alone. Oh, so is that the message of love?

Often the effects of love are imperceptible, maybe we can compare them to the old chaos adage of a butterfly beating its wings, and causing an earthquake on the other side of the world.

In the context of astral planes & our subconcious, love is sometimes viewed as a type of energy.

Boats (?!) :

quote:What does Monroe say?

heh heh...as Nick said, read it yourself ! The only ways we can learn about OBE are by
a) reading other peoples experiences
b) having the experiences and learning ourselves.

regards
Mark

[BOATS]

O.K. now can some of you experienced people explain something.  Now that I have had a conscience OBE into my bedroom, Several WILDS(LUCID DREAMS) which are fantastic filled with people and landscapes what is my objective.  I mean is the WILD the Astral Planes or the OBE in my bedroom going to project me there.  I hear I can get to the astral by LUCID DREAMS. I need a road map.Actially my understanding is from the LUCID DREAM i can issue a command to "become conscience but outside my body".  From the OBE in the RTZ I can explore or get to the planes by soaring up or issueing the command "Now I go to the next level"  Is it true the LUCID DREAMS are not the astral?  Thanks for assistance. It is all very subjective. Can the LUCID DREAM could be the Astral if I perceive it to be so? Its not as if I can bring back proof right away.  What does Monroe say?