I've got a big problem...

[Dark Knight]

Sweetheart I read all of it, where would you like me to begin?

OK for starters, Robert Bruce, whose site this is, is not some New Age Crackpot. He is good, and knowledgeable at what he does, so you can trust any info he puts out. His book, which becomes the Mantra of this forum is Practical Psychic Self Defense. There is also a book out about Psychic Vampires (yes there are such things) which is written by one Joe H. Slate, PhD. Bruce's book and Slate's are listed in my signature section down below. Here's a thought, use the money to buy the books instead of giving them to the dingbat. []

Another thing, the influencing...

Quite a few of us here have knowledge about it because we are subjected to it everyday. This is going to be hard if you're as young as I think you are, but not impossible, and you can get through this, you sound like you're in a lot better shape then some of us.

Think of it like this...know how you have five senses, sight, sound, touch, smell, taste? What your senses do is help you determine what reality is. For example, you place your hand on a furnace, your senses tell you it feels physically hot through your touch.

Emotions also act as senses, as do thoughts. Your thoughts and emotions tell you what reality is. In your case, as is with many of ours, it sounds like the emotions and thoughts you are feeling either are being implanted (not yours) or are yours and are be pushed to a degree not appropriate for the situation.

Duh, right, you're being emotionally manipulated. Yes in the general sense of the word this is true. But I am trying to get you to see something a bit more specific, and it means examining what looks on the surface as "obvious." What she is doing to you would be akin to someone gaining control over your nerve endings and sending signals to your brain so that every time you touch that furnace, your brain is telling you what you are feeling is cold...think about it. How would that alter your sense of reality? How would you function?

The key to fighting this, is discerning which feelings are yours and which are the "fakers"...and it sounds like you have already started. You have to start trying to get to know yourself, how YOU feel, how YOU think. Yeah I know, how do you do that when you're being manipulated at the same time? I live with that everyday. You can do it, because dingbat is not perfect (in fact she sounds far from it). She can't be going 24/7...will she have her wins, yes, and so will you. Be persistent and you'll make it.

You're at an age where you're formulating the personal relationship boundaries you need to to stop this. That's what's making this difficult.

There's more I'll write later on, I have to think about how I can write it so you can understand. But take care. Look at the thread CriminalMind63 started with my name in the heading. Crim listed all kinds of links which are excellent if you want to check them out.

Click here to see it:

http://www.astralpulse.com/forums/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=9764

Another site I would recommend is http://www.paganpath.com/

Good Luck and keep in touch

[garomes]

I've had a few of friends in my early high school years who dominated me emotionally to a great degree.  I don't think any of them overpowered me psychically on a conscious level.  Eventually, I got out of the situation but I had to learn a degree of independance to do it.

You said you end up calling her because it seems like calling her is the only entertaining thing to do.  It might be a good idea to set up a few universal backups you can do in any situation instead of walking into an emotional beartrap.  

I'm not sure if you feel you call her as part of her psychic influence so to cover all grounds, you could focus on activities that would seem to be hard to manipulate.  Say, something you've enjoyed doing since you were very young, that way you have a lot of pleasant experiences to back it up.  

Or stick to something that is physically pleasurable and offers a additional reward, as well.  Exercise if you enjoy that.

Or you could learn NEW if you haven't tried it, it's on this website and in Robert Bruce's other book Astral Dynamics.  I think it'd be good for a number of reasons.  It's convenient and it might give you some energy to build up some barriers or, if not that, to advance yourself a little more spiritually so you can figure out a little more for yourself instead of taking everyone's word for it.  Especially since some of the people you've listened to have proven unreliable.

Read, learn, educate yourself.

Good luck with whatever you try.

[rhinegirl]

Find some new freinds. You are human. Do not allow yourself to be manipulated, ultimately it is you alone who is choosing your actions.

Jessica

* I deleted the quote because frankly, it was enough having one of them on the thread.[] usually wouldn't do that, but that was a long one..just making space. Nay []

[Anonymous]

Hi Darstar, do you want me to take out your so-called "friend?" See, she thinks she has all this power, but in reality, she has given her power up to a dark spirit that is more powerful than she is. Which means...  that's right! Her power can be taken away from her![:O][}:)] (starts thinking of what a field day I'm going to have with her)

[rhinegirl]

quote:Originally posted by EnderWiggin

Hi Darstar, do you want me to take out your so-called "friend?" See, she thinks she has all this power, but in reality, she has given her power up to a dark spirit that is more powerful than she is. Which means...  that's right! Her power can be taken away from her![:O][}:)] (starts thinking of what a field day I'm going to have with her)

I think Darstar needs to get some counseling as to make sure she's not just paranoid delusional. This "freind" of hers sounds in need of a good shrink.

Why would you want to cause this troubled person more pain??? your profile claims love and benevolence, yet I sense joy from a dark part of you in regards to going after a relatively harmless individual. Are you a vampire as well?

Jessica

[SpectralDragon]

quote:Originally posted by rhinegirl

quote:Originally posted by EnderWiggin

Hi Darstar, do you want me to take out your so-called "friend?" See, she thinks she has all this power, but in reality, she has given her power up to a dark spirit that is more powerful than she is. Which means...  that's right! Her power can be taken away from her![:O][}:)] (starts thinking of what a field day I'm going to have with her)

I think Darstar needs to get some counseling as to make sure she's not just paranoid delusional. This "freind" of hers sounds in need of a good shrink.

Why would you want to cause this troubled person more pain??? your profile claims love and benevolence, yet I sense joy from a dark part of you in regards to going after a relatively harmless individual. Are you a vampire as well?

Jessica

Have you ever heard of an "attack" called love of light? When used correctly it can change most situations like this around.

[kakkarot]

enderwiggin: evil done in the name of good is still evil. by the way you post, you seem to be rather itching for a fight sometimes. perhaps you shouldn't be.

i realize how absurd this might sound like coming from me, but humans are humans and are in a different domain than truly evil spirits.

~kakkarot

[Life_afterdeath]

quote:Originally posted by kakkarot

enderwiggin: evil done in the name of good is still evil. by the way you post, you seem to be rather itching for a fight sometimes. perhaps you shouldn't be.

i realize how absurd this might sound like coming from me, but humans are humans and are in a different domain than truly evil spirits.

~kakkarot

This is my opinion, and it could be wrong, but there's nothing wrong with a little tail-whapping every once in a while?  Some people deserve it too, don't you think?

[kakkarot]

there's a difference between discipline, punishment, and abuse. and enderwiggin seems a little too zealous to "do good" sometimes.

just mentioning it ender: i'm not trying to attack you or anything. may peace be with you.

~kakkarot

[Anonymous]

Actually, I do not attack humans, only the dark beings that are sometimes behind them. I have no intention of teaching an evil person a lesson. I think they'll learn that for themselves once the dark power isn't behind them anymore.

[Anonymous]

By the way, it was Darstar who requested my assistance. You don't think I'd go ahead without investigating first, do you? One of the first things I can sense from a person is whether they have good energy coming from them or evil energy.

Rhinegirl to answer your question, I am not a vampire. I produce my own energy and it is the only energy I will ever trust or use. To take energy from others is to diminish one's own power and ability by giving it up to evil spirits who look for such people so that they can draw energy from them as well. Once those spirits are removed, that person is left with no power, and a tidal wave of karma coming at them.

[kakkarot]

ok ender [].

it was just that your comments

quote:Hi Darstar, do you want me to take out your so-called "friend?"

and

quote:(starts thinking of what a field day I'm going to have with her)

made me think you were talking about attacking the person rather than the entity.

[]

~kakkarot

[Anonymous]

Yeah, I hate when I do that. I have communication issues so it happens kind of a lot. I'll try to be more careful about how I say something next time. [xx(]

[Clow]

Wow hmmm a wiccan. Ever try any protection against spells, spells. It sounds like a simple agreeing spell ecspacially scince your friend is a witch. If her power exceeds over your spell practice. (Probably will considering you have never casted a spell. Also Ender if there is anyway you could PM me about sending energy of the net... please PM me. I would like to learn how to do this. I have a bit to much energy that is not being used often. Has anyone had trouble getting energy out of thier body latley?

[darstar]

I'm being psychically manipulated by a close friend of mine. (her name is Jenny) It's been going on for a long time (I'm not sure exactly how long. that's one of my problems)so I'll go through the whole history of it, so that all of you will have all the information.

I met her in a class I had my junior year in high school. (I am a sophmore in college now) Before then I had always been a loner and never had many close friends. There were a few, though, who I was close with. I always thought however that they  never treated me quite like they would their other friends. Some were also very manipulative and even outright mean to me at times.

However, when I met Jenny we just seemed to click. We quickly became best friends. I was interested in wicca at the time (I had been researching it but never attempted anything myself) and when I told Jenny about it she told me she was a witch. She told me stories about having done spells that worked well and gave me some information which was similar but different to what I had allready seen.

She also told me she could read tarot cards but wouldn't for most people because she said then she would end up having to do readings for everyone all the time. She did however do some readings for people in our class with a tarot deck I had bought during my research about wicca. Also, she told me she had a giant three foot in diameter cauldron in which she had caused with a spell a rose to grow without water or dirt or anything. I remember thinking at the time that we were getting too close too fast but not doing anything about it.

Later I went to her house for her birthday party. I didn't see the cauldron or the rose so I asked her where they were. She told me her mom (who is actually her grandma who she lives with)had found them and made her get rid of them. I didn't believe her but never said anything.

Beginning after my mom met her at when she took me to the party, both my mom and brother think she is rude and manipulative and has no manners. At that time I agreed with them deep down but not at the surface. I can't remember if I disagreed with or not but I remember making excuses for her and trying to rationalize it. Also later when my dad met her he agreed with my mom and brother. This has continued till now.

From there we became even closer friends and started hanging out all the time. I ended up lending her money and buying her things alot because I like to help out my friends and because I also couldn't say no to her for some reason. Once I started doing this, my family started to think she was manipulative and I was like her sheep. As before deep down I agreed but I tried to rationalize everything.

Also, because of her I got into reading and writing fanfiction (which is stories written using famous people, movie, tv, and book characters, ect. as characters), specifically slash (which is usually very explicit fanfiction involving gay men). Also I unconciously tried to be like her by further researching wicca (I've never actually done a spell), being slightly gothic (which is what she's like), and adopting a sense of humor that involved saying you might find on shirts and stickers from hot topic and purposely trying to scare other people by being weird. My parents noticed this which contributed to their thinking she was manipulating me. I still of course denied and rationalized it. Also, I let her be basically the dominant one in our friendship. We would do what she wanted, ect.

Later, during my first semester of my freshmen year in college I started being alot more independent and even stubborn and made more friends, ect. I still thought, though, that Jenny was my best friend, ect. During my second semester, I decided to start reading the vampire chronicles books because my favorite singer and lots of the other fans liked them. After that I became very interested in vampires and was researching them online. I discovered that there existed oline people who thought they were real vampires. I believed they were what they said they were. I also wanted to believe I was one (for various reasons). I went so far as examining myself for the characteristics and I think trying to impose them on myself. Also, at that time, I started trying to be psychic by "reading" people, which I could do a little bit.

That summer, when I came home, Jenny told me that she could see and talk to all kinds of spirits and other things, including the "not even thought of yet", to quote her words. Later, me and her started using the tarot cards again. I asked about thinking I was a vampire and also about why I had never seem a ghost. Jenny told me that I was not a vampire and that the "spirits" wouldn't tell me what I was, and that the reason I have never seem a ghost is because they don't like me because "what I am is too close to what they are" to quote what Jenny said again.

Later, we had another conversation about this sutff. She told me she wasn't human and didn't know what she was, and that I wasn't either. She told me she had been told by some spirit thing what I was but that they had made her promise not to tell me "for my own good". Also, she told me I had astral horns which she could see and that whatever I was was some sort of demon. She told me that I would live for a long time (like three hundred years) and eventually get bumps on my head where the horns were and that my bones would be like metal and I'd be really strong and not get bruises anymore. She also told me that I'd be extremely annoyed by humans to the point of wanting to ring their necks when they got on my nerves. For some reason it all seemed perfectly possible and not the least bit weird to me and I believed her completely. After that I blamed being annoyed with my family on what Jenny told me I was and unconciously brought my annoyance to the level she had described (that's the only way I can describe it, as I wasn't that annoyed by other people before then)

Earlier that summer, she had introduced me to her friend Jessica. She also told me that whatever she was, Jessica was the same thing, and had all of the same abilities. Also, she told me that I had had about three past lives in which I was various things, and also that she was a human-sized cobalt blue cat demon in a past life. I for some reason immediately beleived everything she had said and was very curious as to what I was. I have off and on been researching it up until about a month ago.

Later that summer, on the fourth of july in fact, I had an experience in which I think Jenny got posessed. At the time, me and Jessica, and also another one of our friends named Jennifer, wer over at Jenny's house to spend the night. At one point, Jenny and Jessica claimed to see some kind of thing in Jenny's bedroom mirror. Jessica told Jenny not to go touch the mirror because the thing wanted her to. She did anyways and for about fifteen minutes, was leaning with her head and both hands against the wall just above the mirror, sort of clawing at the wall.

After a while, Jessica and Jennifer pulled Jenny away from the mirror and shoved her onto her bed. I remember her having a very evil creepy look in her eyes. It creeped me out and made me believe that she had actually gotten posessed. Then her mom came and got her to do some small chore or something outside. While she was gone, some spirit apparently told Jessica that Jenny was posessed and how to get rid of it. Jessica told me and Jennifer that she would need some small mirror and that she had to put it to Jenny's forhead for an instant and then wrap it up in paper and put it in a bag and throw it out. I offered to let her use the little tiny mirror that had come with my purse because I never used it. Jessica then told me she had been told I would be rewared for letting her use my mirror but didn't tell me how or anything. She then did what she had been told to do with Jenny, who fell back onto her bed afterwards. She layed there looking sort of assleep for a bit.

Jessica then told me that Jenny's spirit had gotten broken up and would come back to her in peices and that Jenny would be the child version of herself. She did act very childish (thought she does that sometimes) once she stopped laying tiredly on her bed. That night, I couldn't sleep because I was feeling very awkward and uncomfortable for some reason.

The next morning, Jenny and Jessica told me I no longer had the horns. Earlier the previous evening, Jessica had told me I was more than one thing, ie. the thing with the horns and something else. When they noticed I didn't have the horns anymopre, they hardly acted like it was a suprise. I didn't think much of it at the time. That morning we also told her what happened the night before. She claimed that she didn't remember anything between touching the mirror and being on her bed later.

Later that summer, I told Jenny that she gave me the impression of a cat. About a week later she told me that one of her spirit "friends" told her she was a cat demon again.

Earlier this school year, Jenny told me that she had involuntarily changed into a cat, like she had been able to do in her past life. I again immediately believed her for some reason. Later, Jenny told me that the reason I got into slash in the first place was because she mentally pushed me to like it, when she showed it to me for the first time. This annoyed me to no end, and got me all stressed out and wondering what else she had done to me. I was questioning everything.

Later, I  told her what I thought and she told me she hadn't influenced the things I was most afraid that she had influenced. She told me that when she was bored, she would mess with uninportant thoughts I had, by, in her words "swirling them around and letting them fall where they may". She also told me that she had created a spirit thing, to spy on me. The reason that she gave was that when my cell phone got turned off (which did happen) that she thought I might've died. I thought that seemed reasonable but I also thought what she was doing was a huge invasion of my privacy. At this point I still sort of believed everything she said, but I was very much questioning it.

I also asked her about a spirit with a red aura that an internet friend told me was outside of my building because of me and why my bathroom creeped me out. she told me that the red thing, hated me for some quality I had which she wouldn't tell me about and that if I tried to "read people" like I had been doing, that it could find me. She told me that if I wanted to practice being psychic, I should go two blocks away from my building. she told me that my bathroom felt creepy because there was some kind of spirit in it that resembled and intelligent black hole.

Also, just a week ago, Jenny told me that she could, in her cat form, go anywhere on earth she wanted to, in one night. She has also recently told me stories about her past life as a cat demon. I didn't completely believe her because ever since she told me about influencing me to like slash (which I have quit reading btw) I haven't completely believed anything she told me. Also, a few times, I have caught her contradicting herself. When I told her about it and accused her of lying she gave me explanations which were very confusing and not very believable.

I have relized that I really don't know whether or not anything she says is true or what extent it goes to. However, there have been times when she has picked up on emotions people have. Also, thoughts I've had have mysteriously disapeared. And there are times when my train of thought will abruptly stop (like I'm distracted by other thughts), and I won't be able to to remember what I was thinking about. This happened once when I was on the phone with her and she told me she had done it. I have been trying to cut off contact with her but I have only been able to successfully do it for a day. I get the urge to call her at times such that calling her feels like the only entertaining thing to do. I would very much like to stop her influence over me and invasion of my privacy but I have very little psychic skills (I would like to have them) and she has caused insecurity in me by telling me that her spirit friends tell her I'm not psychic. Also, she has told me that she cannot remotely (I got to school an hour and a half drive from where she lives) see what is on my computer, but I worry that some of her spirit friends will tell her what is on my computer. Also, I have threatened to never talk to her again and she says that if I were to move away she could track me down and spy on me again. I feel like I have no private time at all. Can anyone help? She says that she doesn't mess with my head alot and only does it when she's bored and she says that when I came home for break she stopped spying me but of course I don't believe her.

Btw, she can influence people to say certain things. She described it as they'll say yes to what she's asking and then wonder why they said that. I have seen her do this to her mother, and I think this is how she gets me to lend her money. I have been cutting back on lending her money, with some success. However, I still do at times. Also, For a long time, She was my only source of information about psychic things (because I didn't believe things I read online, which I've gotten over). I have successfully put an end to this, in my efforts to lessen her influence over me.

so, my questions are, what's up with me and Jenny? I welcome any and all opinions. thanks for listening to my ramble

Jen