Amazing Lucid dream or OBE??

[The AlphaOmega]

Well basically if you have to question whether or not it was an OBE, then it wasn't.  In a lucid dream when you wake up you know it was an amazing lucid dream, likewise with an OBE.  You could have woken up and been excited about the lucid dream (because they are really cool) and thought it was an OBE.  Or it could have been.  In OBE many times you will come out of your body and see the room you are in.  Was that the case?  Also when you are OOB and re-enter it's a sudden experience, not a loss of lucidity.  Was that also the case?  Just a couple tips to help you desifer the experience, I hope it helps a little.

[kozzi]

Sounds to me like you had what people are calling a WILD or wake-induced-lucid-dream.  My first lucid dream was of that type.  I had intended to have an OBE and had never even heard of lucid dreams.  As I was lying there, I began to hear loud static-like noises, and thought I was seeing flashes of light.  I suddenly twisted into a lucid dream.  Honestly though, I don't know if I would differentiate between the two.  OBEs and lucid dreams can have many of the same sensations, but with OBEs you generally feel yourself seperate from the physical body and then you see the room that you are in.  However, because not much is known about the experience I would tend to believe that they are in fact the same phenomenon.  Where instead of being conscious of the seperation, in a lucid dream, you become aware later.  I've even had experiences where all the aspects of an OBE are present and yet I'm not seeing the room as it really exists.  

I've got a suggestion for all of us who questions the nature of these experiences.  Let's not get too caught up in defining anything until we really do understand our own experiences well enough to differentiate.  I think too many people want to believe certain things, and they do not allow their objective minds to truly and honestly define the experience.  Don't let other people really tell you what your experience was or wasn't.  There are too many people in this realm of experience that allow their imaginations to become so-called established "facts".  The best help anyone can give about this stuff is not going to be theoretical ponderings on the existence of an Astral Plane, but rather clear, concise, and practical advice.  Ask some of the "astral travelers" or "dream interpretors" how much Dungeons and Dragons they play or how often they go to medieval festivals to get their palms read.  Not that I don't like those things, but they're just fantasy and not reality.  

Kozzi

[wisp]

Hi Mustarseed,
It sounds similar to what is called Wild I believe. I dream like that a lot, but usually I'm just an observer. I always know I'm dreaming (if I'm awake), but I've never been able to control what happens. I think it's an obe (imo), and it's lucid (because you know your dreaming).
Cool dream, although it sounds scary! I don't get many frightening dreams, thank goodness. I can't comment on those kinds of dreams because of lack of experience with them.

[shaman]

When you lay down and relax, before you even fall asleep, it is common to go into the hypnagogic state, which is a state of awake consciousness with visions. You actually see pictures, hear loud sounds, but are completely awake. The pictures can even turn into dream-like experience. This is a state of the mind that is defined scientifically.

Another way to look at it, but from a spiritual point, is that when a person meditates and relaxes, there is a state where visions start to appear. It is obvioulsy what the scientists called the hypnagogic state (above) but view as a stage in the meditation process. In meditation you are not suppose to be distracted by the visions but to go beyond that point.

Anyway, your experience is very interesting as they do not happen too often. I often have hypnagogic imagery and sound but it is very rare that it lasts more than a few seconds at a time.

I also have lucid dreams, but usually I become lucid from a dream state, while asleep. So for sure what you experience is not a lucid dream, but it is very interesting ! You are gaining more controle and consciousness of the transition state between asleep and awake, you are gaining lucidity during phases where usually we are already falling asleep.

[AndrewTheSinger]

Shaman's explanation is very good. I would just like to add that the hypnagogy actually evolves and turn into a dream, as it is a sketch of the dream that is about to begin.

That sounds to me like what people here call 'astral phasing'. You focused on the scene and stepped into it. Some people also call it 'mental projection followed by astral projection', you were having a sort of remote view and willed your astral body into the landscape. I call it lucid dream because I'm getting into a supposedly imaginary scene, it seems more fantastic and dreamy than the obe, and I'm never where my body really is.

[Mustardseed]

I did a bit of cheching and it seemes that it is actually a WILD. I had 2 more yesterday, very very thrilling. Seems I am getting the knack of willing mysedlf into the dream.
Thanks for the input
Regards MS

[wisp]

Hi Mustardseed,
Yep, I thought that was a wild experience for ya. I'm glad your on a roll, keep going man. I'm happy for you. It sounds exciting. My little wild experiences are very short, but they are interesting.

I continue to enjoy your God Channeling Topic and thread. It's very interesting. Thanks for sharing your ability. Oh...I liked your reply to rhinegirl, well said, Mustardseed. What wonderful restraint you have! []

[Mustardseed]

Thankyou Wisp, you are very kind and as always an encouragement. I pray you will have a good day and look forward to talking to you some time. Had some very interesting things happen, but maybe they are more fit for PM.
I will think about it

Regards Mustardseed

[RooJ]

Hey Mustardseed,
Firstly excellent experience [], ive had a fair few lucid dreams from sleeping but only one wild and that was just after waking up from a 6 hour sleep.
I have a few questions though if you dont mind answering.

Had you not had any sleep in the previous 4 hours before the wild? as you say:
"and at no point was I ever even close to sleep at all"
Its just i wasnt sure whether you needed to have had some sleep beforehand or not to experience a WILD and everyone talks about interupted sleep etc. So im hoping with your answer i can put this question of mine to rest [].

Also i was wondering if you had some technique you used for the other 2 you mentioned and whether these happened the same way.

Thanks for any input on this, i know how amazing and real lucid dreams are when experiencing them from sleep, so i can only guess at how crazy it would feel to, as you said "wake up to become lucid".

RooJ

[Mustardseed]

Hi Rooj
Well for your question I just had laid down to go to sleep and were fully consious, not actually feeling like I was getting too close to "sleep land" if we can call it that. I actually dont know how to explain it better but I somehow just willed myself into the colour swirl . I have a few things that I do and I can write about it later I am in a bit of a hurry now. CU later
Regards Mustardseed

[RooJ]

K no problem, thanks for the reply, and congratulations again.

RooJ

[Mustardseed]

For the first time ever I had a very amazing experience and I wonder if it was a OBE or a Lucid dream, I am including the entry in my journal and would appreciate any input.

Went to go to sleep lying on left side after 5 minutes swirling started and a picture started to form. I had no vibrations at all nor did I have rem activity as could be expected in Lucidity. I looked at it for a while and somehow grabbed hold of it and "willed" myself into it. IT WORKED . Compleatly from consious state to what looked like dream inviroment. I never considered that I was in reality and had the experience of "waking up" to become lucid .

It was amazing I was so excieted and started running around in the room that I was in. It had a large book case on one wall and a desk at another, both in light pine wood, and white walls. I touched the wall and it was sooo real. On the left a door with a small window was leading into a hall way. I looked out and saw dozens of people being led down an isle by armed guards as if in a prison. Quickly I made a 360spin, I read that helps to maintain lucidity and decided to try it but felt no difference I was feeling very solid, so and slipped out the door. I joined the throng of people without the guards noticing and was led with them down a couple of stairs toward 2 large sort of cellars or cattle dips. Everyone just kept going and marched down the stairs but I did not want to go down there and instead snuck behind a crate and looked into the dip or cellar.
Just inside a small crane/robot fitted with sharp hooks like a deboner grabbed each one as they decended and slaughtered them in seconds. As I looked up some guards on the other side had seen me and was calling out and others came running to get me. I lifted myself up to take off knowing I was able to fly but just then I started to loose my lucidity/obe and was sucked back into reality lying beside my wife.

It was the most amazing experience and at no point was I ever even close to sleep at all. I have  NO IDEA what happened and would sure appreciate any input.

Regards Mustardseed