As a free service to those with spirit guides...

[Akensai]

If I may ask, how are you going to find out if a spirit is "bad" or "good"?

[McArthur]

I can't reveal my methods before the testing or it may not work. []
Do schools give their students the answers to exams before an exam?

[Squeek]

Well, the idea is OK, that analogy is a bit off.

Students getting answers for the test makes the test irrelevant, so your analogy states that your test is irrelevant.

Teachers give their students multiple choice, fill-in-the blank, or even written or vocal tests sometimes.  These are the types of tests the teacher gives.  If you were to test, that would be your method of testing.

...What did I just say...? [B)]

~Squeek

[Akensai]

quote:Originally posted by McArthur

I can't reveal my methods before the testing or it may not work. []
Do schools give their students the answers to exams before an exam?

Ah so you're going to test them whit questions and you don't want to give the answers, fair enough []

[McArthur]

Well i guess what i meant was that i dont want to reveal how i will test the "spirit guides" until i get one step up to be tested. And i promise to be polite. []

[James S]

McArthur,
I am interested to see how your suggestion could work, because I believe there are people who are unsure of who or what they are dealing with who could benefit greatly from external advice. Providing of course that the testing is totally unbiased, as we cannot know from our perspectives just how much benefit our guides may be to us.

You helped me considerably with your advice when I first came to this site, so I'll offer myself and my guide Wecha as a test case.
Please proceed.

James.

[McArthur]

Hi James!
         Ok firstly could you tell me a little about how you met your guide (or a link on the forums where you have done this) and how long she(?) has been with you etc?

A few questions;

1. How does you guide communicate with you (i.e. dreams, astral, an "inner voice", etc)?

2. What kind of being is your guide (i.e. has she(?) ever been human or incarnated physically anywhere etc.)

3. What is your guides purpose in making contact with you?

4. Does your guide have access to Metaphysical Knowledge that you do not, and how much so?

5. Does your guides name have a meaning and if so what is it?

6. Where is your guide located?

7. Is your guide there constantly or just when you call her(?)? (i am assuming a she because the name sounds feminine.)

Those will do for now and can be used as introductory questions for others also. Thanks for taking part []

[James S]

Ok, here's some answers for you.

I first met my guide through contact with Mayatnik.  Mayatnik contacted me to tell me he wanted to speak to me about something. We didn't know each other at all at this stage, so I was somewhat taken aback by the request, but contacted him anyway. He was the one that introduced me to Wecha.

The reason he came to me in this fashion apparently goes something like this:
I had some time ago been visited by the avatar of the Spirit of Nature - the Green Lady, and she had stayed in contact with me "telepathically" and with a couple of face to face meetings. It was her desire that I be hooked up with a "teacher" guide, and so she used Mayatnik's help, as he had made himself available for situations such as this. I suppose the Green Lady could have introduced Wecha to me directly, as they do have a very close bond, but I think I probably would have gotten just a little too confused by it. Mayatnik assisted greatly by sort of easing me into communications with this stranger.

Wecha has been with me now for about 7 months, though I have been paying proper attention to her for much less time than that.[:I]

1. How does you guide communicate with you (i.e. dreams, astral, an "inner voice", etc)?
Inner voice. kind of like a small speaker stuck inside my skull, sort of sitting towards the rear, to the right of centre.

2. What kind of being is your guide (i.e. has she(?) ever been human or incarnated physically anywhere etc.)
Non corporeal Pleiadian. I'm told their exist in two forms - some corporeal, some non. She has incarnated once during her current existance as a native american man I believe roughly 400 years ago. Can't recognise the tribes name, but it's very similar to her own - Wicheta (phoenetic spelling) or something like that.

3. What is your guides purpose in making contact with you?
To be as a teacher. I'm not sure where it's leading, but at the moments she's hemping me with inner development and learning to expand my perception. I'm a lazy student though.[:I]

4. Does your guide have access to Metaphysical Knowledge that you do not, and how much so?
She has access to all of the information and records available to the Pleiadians as a race, the knowledge of higher spiritual entities, such as those the call "life givers" - a fitting description for our Mother Earth, and the experience of both human natural magic / shamanistic practices from her time on earth, and basic experiences of having lived some 340 and something years as a pure energy lifeform. I'm told also the akashik records are among the items they have access to.

5. Does your guides name have a meaning and if so what is it?
No. No meaning to her name that she's shared with me. It's just a name.

6. Where is your guide located?
She say's "location" is a rather untranslatable term in thier level of existance. More appropriately would be what's called her home, which is best described as a band of energy around the star Alcyone.

7. Is your guide there constantly or just when you call her(?)? (i am assuming a she because the name sounds feminine.)
She's more like constantly "on call". She doesn't really reside in my mind as such, and has no access to anything deeper than my surface "self talk" type thoughts.  
Yes she is definitely a "she". She has a sort of deepish but soft female voice. Think of a voice something along the lines of Cate Blanchett as Galadriel in Lord of the Rings.
As opposed to some who might feel that such beings of energy are without gender, her reply has been a most adamant "I most certainly am a female...in every respect." I'm not about to argue that one. [B)][]

Regards,
James.

[McArthur]

Hi James,

quote:Originally posted by James S
I had some time ago been visited by the avatar of the Spirit of Nature - the Green Lady, and she had stayed in contact with me "telepathically" and with a couple of face to face meetings.

For now would you mind going into more detail about what this "Green Lady" is, when you first had contact with her, does she have a name etc. I'm not quite sure i am following what you mean, is this something you experienced or something Mayatnik told you he knew about? Did this "Green Lady" tell you herself she wanted you to have a "Teacher Guide" before Mayatnik contacted you and then you got a message from him?

Have you posted about these experiences on this forum?

Thanks, i am just trying to get it into chronological order of how your experience unfolded. []

I will tell you that i have a particularly warm, soothing feeling at the back of my neck and part of my upper spine as i am writing this, something which i tend to associate with the possible prescence of a good spirit (it almost feels like i am having a healing session). I'm not sure as yet what meaning, if any, that may have as regards to this thread but thought i would mention it anyway because it started as i began to read your post.

[James S]

Hi McArthur,

This post contains pretty much all the detail of my first visit from the Spirit of Nature. Look in my second post in the topic for the details of our meeting:
http://www.astralpulse.com/forums/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=1649

My first visitation from the Green Lady was back in August 02. Since then she had encouraged me to learn to project as she said that next time I have to go and pay her a visit. I ended up getting the hang of phasing, and this allowed me to meet her a few times face to face on her turf.

A name? No not really. I bugged her about this for a while, her first answer was that she goes by many names, all of which are only aspects of her true self. Later on she was a little more direct when she asked me why I have such an obsession with giving everything a name. She doesn't need to be called by name - directing a thought towards her is all that's needed to get her attention.

This was all over a year before I ever even knew of Mayatnik. When Mayatnik contacted me, it was after he had read about some of my encountrs with the Green Lady. He was well aware of the Spirit of Nature himself, and what she entails.

After I had first been put in contact with Wecha, I didn't trust her that much. I was familiar with the mode of communication, as I'd already experienced this to a fair extent with the Spirit of Nature, so I didn't really question that aspect...well, not much. It was when I was seeking confirmation of Wecha's identity that the Green Lady came through to me veryclearly, and told me that I should be accepting of Wecha, as she had organised our little get together in the first place.

I wondered myself why I needed this new guide. I already had one - a really BIG one. Both Mayatnik and the Lady described Wecha as being a 'specialist' teacher. I reasond then that I am either quite an advanced student, or I belong in the remedial class! Sometimes I feel the latter is more applicable.[B)]

I'm glad you mentioned about the feeling you got. Thats good to know. [] This is something I think is very important, and you're doing what you should be here - feeling your way through it. Spirits can lie in words, but if you have any kind of empathic ability, they cant lie in the emotions the put out.

I had a go of learning to use the pendulum after Mayatnik first posted his techniqes. The first being I contacted sounded all very good and helpful, but the feeling I got creeped me out completely. I broke contact, and with the Green Lady's guidance, banished it for good.

Regards,
James.

[harlequin_star]

hiya. .quick question: why do ya need the guides name/ what if the guide doesn't want other people to know their names?

[Ken]

Hi.
I have a couple questions.

What is causing the tap-tap-tap sounds on my dressers in my bedroom? Is it a guide,earthbound or something else?

I have a Native protector. Can I trust him?

Please tell me about any other real guides I have around me who are actually helping me.

Thanks.

[McArthur]

quote:Originally posted by harlequin_star

hiya. .quick question: why do ya need the guides name/ what if the guide doesn't want other people to know their names?

I prefer not to reveal why i asked for the names. If you have a guide that doesnt want its name revealed could you ask it why for me please?
Thanks []

[McArthur]

quote:Originally posted by Ken

Hi.
I have a couple questions.

What is causing the tap-tap-tap sounds on my dressers in my bedroom? Is it a guide,earthbound or something else?

I have a Native protector. Can I trust him?

Please tell me about any other real guides I have around me who are actually helping me.

Thanks.

Perhaps i didn't make myself clear so i apologize. But i am not claiming to be able to answer questions like the above. The tapping could be anything. I don't know if your Native Protector is trustworthy either. But if you would like to answer the 7 questions already asked in this thread we can go from there.

[McArthur]

quote:Originally posted by James S

This post contains pretty much all the detail of my first visit from the Spirit of Nature. Look in my second post in the topic for the details of our meeting:
http://www.astralpulse.com/forums/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=1649

Thanks i'll read it.

quote:
I'm glad you mentioned about the feeling you got. Thats good to know. [] This is something I think is very important, and you're doing what you should be here - feeling your way through it. Spirits can lie in words, but if you have any kind of empathic ability, they cant lie in the emotions the put out.

I tend to agree that it would be extremely hard for a neg to give off positive vibes and is one of the few ways we can tell the difference. The positive energy a good spirit gives off is unmistakeably different to that of most negs i have encountered. But i have also come across "tricky" spirits that i did not seem to pick up any kind of energetic feeling from at all. Also, i have occasionally a kind of soft tingling on various parts of my body (where a spirit comes in close proximity to myself) that feels "OK" (kinda like a gentle goosebump feeling - it certainly doesnt feel "negative"). But this just means my energy body has picked up a "presence" nearby and is not an indicator of what kind of spirit it may be even though the feeling i get when i sense them is not unpleasant.

The experience yesterday though was as if non-physical hands with intense warmth (and positive energy) were placed in the area i mentioned. And it was very relaxing []

As with everyone else i'm still learning all these things and trying ery hard not to allow my beliefs, previous experiences, or "wants" to colour how i percieve things.

I will get back to some more of your post soon.

[McArthur]

Hi James,
        i'm thinking perhaps the title of this thread could be changed to "How can i tell if this spirit is really my Guide and not just tricking me?" (If Mayatnik or other chanelers here could come up with ways they have used to determine this it would be helpful), but lets continue anyway if you dont mind sharing. In the thread you linked you mention the visit you had with 'the Green lady'. Was this in a waking vision/dream/astral? You also said "After the vision I felt a kind of aftersickness, and needed to get something sweet into me, as if I'd burned off too much energy." Can you describe what you mean by aftersickness, how long it lasted and how it felt? Why something sweet?

Not that it could be anything bad im just curious. For instance, when i had my first Reiki attunement i was sick with flu symptoms for over a week! Supposedly it is linked to a kind of purging effect one undergoes. And in healing sessions when one is exposed to healing energies sometimes you can, although not always, get what is called a "healing crisis" that is generally short-lasting. Im not saying this is what happened in your case just giving you an example of one of my own experiences of "aftersickness" in a different context.

Could you describe the process of how you were first put in contact with Wecha? I'm finding it hard to understand why 'The Green lady' did not introduce Wecha to you herself or why Wecha would need to go through someone else to contact you.

And finally for now would you mind giving details of the visitation you had by the "Green Lady" confirming you should accept Wecha as your guide and what reasons were given, what she said, what you saw and felt energetically/emotionally etc.

[harlequin_star]

well, i know why she doesn't want her name known to others, and she said its okay to tell ya. She told me awhile ago that her name is sacred to her and to me and if i were goin to tell her name to other people, for one, it would insult her for another our relationship wouldn't be as personal. She also said that it was a bit like the native americans with their animal guides and if they told their guides name to anyone else, they would loose their power or something.
   I wasn't really planning on taking part in all of this, i was just asking, and other peeps may have the same thing goin for them,

[James S]

Hi McArthur,

The Green Lady first came to me in a waking vision. I'd been meditating and running through the NEW exercises for a short time when she came to me. One minute I've my eyes closed and all is suitably dark, next minute, my eyes are still closed but I'm looking at the room I was in as if my eyes were wide open, and she's standing there in front of me.

I don't fully understand the aftersickness I felt, except that I had not been practicing energy raising for long, and I've a feeling my brow chakra might have gone into overdrive. I felt like I'd burned up an excessive ammount of energy. Having something sweet is just a typical 'pick-me-up' for me when I feel drained. What you mentioned about being sick after Reiki is not uncommon. Sometimes giving the energy body a workout or getting things put back in alignment can give the system a bit of a shock.

No, the Green Lady did not introduce Wecha to me. After I'd posted something about her in Mayatnik's 'Pendulum' thread, he got in touch with me and asked me if I'd agree to speak with him about my guide. He had apparently recieved some kind of message from his own guide that I was to be hooked up with Wecha. The fact that Mayatnik's guide and Wecha are of the same race I believe had a lot to do with it. That and the fact that our own Spirit of Nature is well known and very highly regarded among their people.

At the time I don't think I would have accepted communication with another entity without the assistance of someone here on Earth confirming for me what was happening. I wasn't concerned about if I was dealing with something good or bad, I was concerned that I was simply dealing with my own thoughts, that there was no entity and it was just my mind. Having another person confiming what Whecha was saying to me really helped.

I did go through a rather lengthy period of doubt after I'd started to get to know Wecha. I was concerned that I wasn't really hearing anything from her that I didn't already know, or couldn't work out for myself. About that time I recieved two very clear, audible telepathic messages. One was from Wecha - I had to either learn to trust and accept her for who and what she was, ignoring all the doubts and scepticisms I'd developed from trying to find out more about the Pleiadians (there's precious little REAL info on the internet about them), or just walk away from it. This troubled me because I could feel a great sadness coming from her.

It's acceptable that the student must learn to trust the teacher, but the teacher also needs to show they are trustworthy. It's a two way thing.

So I pretty much broke contact with Wecha for a period of several weeks. I didn't turn to Mayatnik in this time for reassurance. I felt he was too close to the situation to be able to give me an objective assessment. Towards the end of that time I recieved another very clear, audible message, this time from the Spirit of Nature. She didn't appear to me visually, but there was absolutely no mistaking her voice, and the feeling of her presence. The Spirit of Nature has an awesome presence when she really wants to tell you something. You get an increadible sense of peace, of love, and a sense of power and energy that is completely overwhelming. She told me that Wecha had come to me under her instructions and with her blessing, and that she considers Wecha to be entirely trustworthy.

That should have been enough, but as I was well entrenched in the whole doubt thing at the time, and despite the feeling of her presence when she did speak with me, I now needed proof for myself that this WAS the Spirit of Nature talking to me. That came in the form of two people that had contacted me to tell me they had just recently also met the Green Lady. One knew I'd spoken of her, one had no real idea, and provided me with a perfect description of her appearance. These two people provided me with the key - they let me know that the Green Lady was indeed the real deal. When I next spoke with the Spirit of Nature I got a definite "I told you so" from her. I'm used to her teasing me about things, so I know what her tone of voice is usually like. She was a little annoyed at me for taking so long to get out of this self perpetuating cycle of doubt I was stuck in. It's one thing to have genuine concerns, it's another to start habitually doubting things. Too much doubt can allow your mind to rationalise and explain away absolutely anything, and that's what I'd been doing.

I then became reaquainted with Wecha once I was happy that she too was the real thing. Every now and then I still have doubts about the contact I have with her. I don't doubt she is real and is in communication with me, but I sometimes have to stop, clear my mind, and check that it is really her that I'm talking to, and not just a facit of my own mind. There is a distinctive tone to her voice, and an accompanying feeling that I get when I am talking to her that my own mind can't reproduce.

Regards,
James.

[chill]

So what's up with Wecha ?

[chill]

I am a mouse potato, yes !

(thank you James)

I haven't used my couch in a long time.
It's a shame cause it's so comfortable.
I don't have cable, nor do I receive any clean signal on my TV.
Yes, I really am a mouse potato.

[McArthur]

Hi James,
        thanks for sharing your story. I am having misgivings whether it was a good idea to start this thread.. but i do have questions for Wecha if you both don't mind.

I would like information about the Planet the corporeal Pleiadians inhabit. If there is more than one planet just pick any for now.

1. Which star does it circle in the Pleiadian system (i.e. their sun)

2. How far away from their sun is their planet.

3. What is the angle of their planets axis (i.e. ours is 23.5 degrees).

4. What is the circumference of the planet at its equator.

5. Does it have polar ice caps.

6. What kind of atmosphere does it have (i.e. what differences if any to Earths).

7. What seasons does it have (i.e. similar to earths as in Summer, winter etc.)

8. Population size.

9. What is the estimated mass of their planet.

10. If there is more than one planet revolving their sun, as in our solar system, how many and how many are inhabited.

11. Are there any main differences to our planet and what are they.

Any other descriptions of the planet she is willing to share would also be interesting, thankyou.

[James S]

Hi Chill,

Im not really sure what you mean, but Wecha's fine. Took me a little while to get to know her, that's all. []
One upside about being a Mouse Potato – You're required to think a little more than when you watch TV []

McArthur,

You're idea in starting this thread was not a bad idea. People do need to be aware that it is wise to use a bit of discernment when they are dealing with the unknown.

As to these questions, I'm sorry, but I'm not a channeler.  The communication I have with my guide is for personal benefits and spiritual growth. The questions you ask, though I believe you ask them with genuine interest, are not ones that I have ever considered relevant to my situation.  Besides that, the relationship we have is not one in which she is willing to just feed me information. Wecha's purpose is to help me find the answers myself to the things that are important to my spiritual path.
Edi would probably be able to provide the information you want about the Pleiadians better than I.

Having said that I have learned something about Wecha, and small fragments of info about her people that has come up in the course of conversation as a matter of curiosity. I know that the is or was a planet in orbit of Taygeta.

Impossible? Cant sustain life? I know these are valid questions for our level of astronomy knowledge, but up until recently astronomers believed that other planetary systems had to follow the same conventions of our own. That was until the discovery of a number of stars that had gas giants holding orbits that were closer to their stars than Mercury is to ours.
The more science uncovers, the more we realise how little we really know.

Regards,
James.

[McArthur]

quote:Originally posted by James S
As to these questions, I'm sorry, but I'm not a channeler.  The communication I have with my guide is for personal benefits and spiritual growth.

If your guide claims to have more knowledge than us humans in various areas (as you stated to my first questions) then i fail to see why she can not answer basic questions about her home planet. The type of information i asked for is generally known to school kids here on Earth about our own planet so surely with her vast knowledge she could answer these very simple questions? If she can not, then how can you expect her to supply you with the more difficult questions on spiritual matters?

quote:
The questions you ask, though I believe you ask them with genuine interest, are not ones that I have ever considered relevant to my situation.

But it is relevant to your situation and to this thread if you genuinely want to test your spirit guide, which you stated you do. I will repeat the information about the Pleiades i posted in another thread here;

quote:
The Pleiades is a loose cluster of approximately 100 stars with an average age estimated at 78 million years. These are very young stars, much younger than our own Sun, estimated at 5 billion years old, much younger even that our own planet, Earth.

These are very hot, bright stars of spectral type B, much hotter and about 10 times more massive than our Sun, spectral type G. They have not yet moved away from the interstellar gas cloud, or nebula, from which they formed. Remmants of this nebula can readily be seen in photographs of the group.

Now your guide could really put an end once and for all to a lot of my, and other peoples, skepticism by giving details of their home planet that is supposedly in the Pleiades but i already suspected this information would not be forthcoming. She could always surprise me though and actually give the information but i get the feeling that some form of excuse will be given.

Why do i think this? Well, a few reasons such as;

1. The chances of there being any habital planets in such a very young star system where the stars themsleves have not even come out of the nebula that created them and in a stable orbit is minimal to say the least. This is science, not a belief (more about that below).

2. I fail to see how they could be a more advanced race when the star system they claim to come from is much much younger and undeveloped than our own. If there are any planets there (and that is a big if as there is no proof or evidence to suggest otherwise apart from their unsupported claims) then there are certain statistical probablities they would have to overcome for there to be even a remote possibilty of them sustaining life. Do your cosmological research on our own planet, how old it is and how long it took life to form etc and you will get an idea of what i am getting at.

3. If she does give the information i asked for then it could be scientifically researched in various ways to test the data given.

quote:
 Besides that, the relationship we have is not one in which she is willing to just feed me information. Wecha's purpose is to help me find the answers myself to the things that are important to my spiritual path.

Then it seems that you are just accepting what Wecha says and being a somewhat submissive partner in your relationship with her as though she is some kind of mother figure or school teacher who is not to be questioned. This is not a good approach to take with spirits if you want to be completely sure they are benign. You are here in this thread because you say you wanted your guide to be tested, if she is not willing to be tested then that in itself is suspicious.

quote:
Edi would probably be able to provide the information you want about the Pleiadians better than I.

If you are in contact with your guide why cant you ask her these questions yourself?

quote:
Having said that I have learned something about Wecha, and small fragments of info about her people that has come up in the course of conversation as a matter of curiosity. I know that the is or was a planet in orbit of Taygeta.

Ok well that is a start but i need the other data also.

quote:
Impossible? Cant sustain life? I know these are valid questions for our level of astronomy knowledge, but up until recently astronomers believed that other planetary systems had to follow the same conventions of our own. That was until the discovery of a number of stars that had gas giants holding orbits that were closer to their stars than Mercury is to ours.
The more science uncovers, the more we realise how little we really know.

What you are doing here is making excuses by referring to other data that is not related to the valid questions i am asking. There are certain scientific facts we know about the Pleiades star system and how extremly young it is compared to our own and the type of stars/suns that are there.

This brings me to another point. The belief system-cleanse that you warmly applaud. May i gently suggest you make a list of everything you KNOW about Wecha and her planet and discard everthing that is only a belief? Things that are beliefs include anything she has told you about herself and her Planet without supportive evidence.

I hope you take this post as it is intended, i am not trying to attack you in any way but am genuinely concerned that these beings are not what they claim to be, especially because a fair amount of the channeled information that comes from them (especially prophecies and cosmological data) has proven to be false. And if they are giving false information then surely this should give us pause for thought about what they really are and their true intentions.

[McArthur]

quote:Originally posted by harlequin_star

well, i know why she doesn't want her name known to others, and she said its okay to tell ya. She told me awhile ago that her name is sacred to her and to me and if i were goin to tell her name to other people, for one, it would insult her for another our relationship wouldn't be as personal. She also said that it was a bit like the native americans with their animal guides and if they told their guides name to anyone else, they would loose their power or something.
   I wasn't really planning on taking part in all of this, i was just asking, and other peeps may have the same thing goin for them,

If your guide is a real being like us then giving her name should not be a problem or make her lose power or anything like that. For instance, my real name is Mark and im not afraid to give that out so why should your guide be afraid to?

[SpectralDragon]

Everyone has to test thier guides themselves to make sure in thier own mind that they are true. If someone else does it then the doubt remains even if just a little.