Eyes open

[clandestino]

Well, your "eyes" do not open as such. I know that this is an obvious point to make but it is nevertheless important - no part of your physical body is involved in this process.

It would be more accurate to say "when can I expect to visually perceive things whilst OBE", but hey, I'm just being picky.

Typically, you can expect to "see" your surroundings at any point from the onset of vibrations, through to lifting out of / leaving your body, and on to actually moving around in your immediate environment.

It is not un-common to project and find that your vision is quite limited / not up to scratch. Common wisdom here is to demand vision by voicing something along the lines of "Vision now!", but for me the success of this technique has been hit and miss...though when it has worked, I must admit the results have been spectacular.

Also it is not uncommon to project and find yourself blindly staggering around your room. Again, most agree that the lack of sight can be resolved through will, but this is often easier said than done !

So, to summarise : This "spiritual world" can become visible at any point during the OBE process. Sometimes it stubbornly remains invisible. IMO, for you to progress, you need to become aware of the space around you after the vibrational state, and realise that you are no longer held within the confines of your physical body.

Regards,
Mark

[rutantia]

Yeah, I know what you mean about the physical eyes.  ; )

I have felt a sensation of 'floating' upwards, which I perceived to be the loosening (OBE).  However, the strangeness of it catches me off guard and I return.  It was as if I was floating up through black/greyness.  I was just wondering if I should be visually seeing something...<?>

Is this basically the last hurdle to get through??

[clandestino]

In my opinion, there is a difference between the feeling of "Hang on a minute, I'm floating upwards out of my body" and what you described as a "sensation of floating upwards".

When it has happened to me in the past (only a few times, mind you) I've had no doubts whatsoever. I'd guess that only this kind of experience would give you the self-assurance that you're after.

As for the visual side of things, anyone else got any ideas

[rutantia]

Thanks for responding!
No, it definitely feels as if I was floating up and past (what I perceived, as my eyes were closed) the upper part of my physical body.  That's what excites me, and I start to 'snap out' of it.
However, I can't 'see' anything, so I questioned any validity of it...

[rutantia]

Hi,
I've searched for this topic, but did not find anything pertinent.
I'm fairly new to this (OBE), but seem to reach the 'vibration state' (quotes mine) fairly easily.  However, I always seem to fall asleep at this point because I cannot see anything.

Question: at what point do your eyes open -when do you start to see this spiritual world??
Thanks!