Astral travel dangerous?

[CH]

Highly doubtful.

My understanding is that death severs the cord, not vice versa.

I'm sure someone with more knowledge than I will quickly debunk this belief.

[Isr]

I think astral travel instead of dangerous has many benefits.

[Consumed_Crustacean]

Err, I've heard of humans touching one another in astral and not dieing. As have I heard that as it's only a projected astral body out there, as soon as you're in trouble the energy snaps back to your physical (/ ethereal?) body, as does your consciousness. Even if the astral body was mostly sucked dry of energy, your consciousness is still intact and your physical body's "mind" is also (thinking its "mind" as a non-conscious brain which you can then turn your conscious focus back on as usual... I think). You're still able to go back probably because it's what you're used to and its what you revert to if you're over scared. edit: hence the cord is probably just a mental representation of the familiarity and belonging the consciousness has the the body, and not a link to be severed.

Of course, I likely know nothing []

[neowert]

I meant that if the person projecting is touched physically by another physical human body then the astral body gets separated.  An experienced projector is supposed to be able to reconnect the cord though.

[Consumed_Crustacean]

I've heard of people coaxing one another out of the projection through physical contact, or one being awoken by physical contact in the real world. Could it have meant the cord was snapped back or something?

(they might be right, I just doubt it's true because Robert Monroe, among folks, has said that any sense in the real world like sound or such will wake you just like it would from sleep)

[neowert]

So I skimmed the section in bardon's book about astral travel.  Apparently there are different types (sort of).  Keep in mind I have not read the whole book.  Anyway, he said usually a magician can project just the mental body.  But one can also project their astral body, which is dangerous.  It puts the magician in suspended animation, called ecstacy, no breath or heartbeat.  A touch in this state will break the cord.

[Mystic Cloud]

quote:Originally posted by neowert

I was reading about astral travel in Introduction To Hermetics by Franz Bardon.  He said when you travel astrally, your astral body leaves, connected by a thin silver cord.  He also said that it is dangerous.  If you are touched by another human, the energy from it will break the cord, killing you.  I trust Franz Bardon as a source, so I do not doubt that fact.  But in what circumstances is that true?  Is astral projection an OBE in such a manner?  What manners of OBEs are potentially lethal?

omg what pure excrement.
It is because of guys like that people are afraid of Astral Projecting. It is true though that if someone 'awakes' you from your
OBE true physical touch you can get very startled and it is most often
described as something very uncomfortable. But it surely does not kill you.

argh... [!]

[Thing]

if there was a reason... give just one reason, errr someone touches you and you die? not even a child would believe in that.

[neowert]

Be rest assured that what you guys do is not what bardon was talking about, unless your heart stops while you project.  If you read my last post, the suspended animation state is dangerous.

[Consumed_Crustacean]

Isn't that essentially like putting yourself in a controlled "death"? Sounds nasty, and I wouldn't doubt contact in such a state would cause a final death, since you would be teetering so close to it. I understand now, yep.

Personally, I don't know much about the lethality of 'normal' OBEs, though what many seem to believe is that the worst that can happen is that you get a chunk of energy sucked out of you and can be tired or sick until it's replenished.

[dkj400]

What are you talking about? Are you saying that if just a magician try's to Astral project, then he would go in suspended animation?

[neowert]

No.  Totally different technique.  He doesnt actually call it astral projection.  But it is, just different from what you guys do.  Dont worry about it.

[Naldo]

Hey, I have done Astral's/OBE's etc. and have never seen a cord! Hm!

Probably I will someday!

[dkj400]

Only the most experienced people would just about be able to see the cord.

[neowert]

Ok, so I got some answers. Gandalf on the magic forum said:

"I DO know that the name of Franz Bardon is well respected in occult circles.

With regards to the lethal AP thing, he may be refering to a very hard to do and dangerous form of astral projection where you project your *full self* out of the body.

The technique Bardon talks about (from your description) is a rare type practiced by some yogis etc, where you bypass the double and project fully.

The advantage is that with a proper 'full on' projection, almost identical to what happens at death, you get a stable projection with no fluctuations and are in total control, with full clarity; the resulting AP is meant to be awesome.

This is in contrast to most common forms of AP where it is an astral double that is projected, like a remote control camera if you like, only much better as it makes you feel as if you are really out there.
With common AP everything is much more unstable and hard to control, it takes years of practice, although in time the quality of projections improve.

The downside is that with common AP, there is no risk, as no matter what happens to the double, you are always safely locked inside your body.
Howevever, with 'full-on' AP you really are outside and the link with your body is very tenuous. In fact, any disturbance will break the link causing the body to die. You will be fine but you've lost your body and your current physical incarnation is now over... oops!

This rare type of AP is very difficult to achieve however and only real masters attempt it, making damn sure they are well away from anything which might disturb them; I have heard that disiples will usually stand guard around the person attempting this so that no harm will come to them; it's WAY to risky to do by yourself!

I would recomend staying well away from this type of AP and stick with normal, well known AP and phasing techniques, such as those described by Robert Bruce or Monroe.

Douglas"

[Haematite]

I've heard about the "cord" - it's the string that connects the material body with it's astral "double". I've also heard that if the "double" is hurt or killed the body dies with it - in the same moment or a bit later.

Be safe[]

[dkj400]

quote:almost identical to what happens at death

Well no wonder. Now I hope that we all take back those insults.

[Stargazer]

Hmm...sounds like you could have a look at RB's book " Astral Dynamics"! There you will find all the answers in a clear, logic and easly understandable way about anything concerning the dangers of AP. But this much I can tell you...it's not leathal, and it's not dangerous. Read the book to get it explained. I'm not qualified to give you the full explanation here, and I will not citate anything from the book...so try to get a copy of it from somewhere, and read for yourself []

[Stargazer]

quote:Originally posted by Haematite

I've heard about the "cord" - it's the string that connects the material body with it's astral "double". I've also heard that if the "double" is hurt or killed the body dies with it - in the same moment or a bit later.

Be safe[]

According to AD, this is not true. The cord is a link between the physical/etheric body and the RT/astral body. Energies move between these bodies using the cord. The cord can not be damaged while you are out of the physical/etheric body. I also doubt that you could get hurt or killed (the astral body) during OBE. After all, there is nothing physical about the projected double, it's just a singel opint of consciousness. Ofcourse it can be affected by negative energies, but the risk of actually killing it is minimal, if not even non-existible. Before anything like this would happend, your projected double is safely back/reintegrated within the bounds of the physical/etheric. And I don't think it is that easy to find a negative energy strong enough (compared to the energy-level of a living human-being) to do some serious harm to you. Ofcourse there might be places that shold be avoided, but I'm sure you get the hostile feeling before you are out on too thin ice. All the Negs I have met (mostly in lucid or semi-lucid) dreams have been easy to get rid of and eliminate. I have never ever felt a real threat, and never have I been afraid that they might hurt me. These fears are not good to have during a projection since they can be detected by negative beings, and they can even work as a magnet to attract them to you. They feed on your negative feelings, and this makes them appear more dangerous than they in fact are. Don't worry about them, you are safe []

[Haematite]

[]Thanks. I haven't read RB's books - I'm afraid we might not have them here in Bulgaria, but I'll search in int for information.
According to another book by Jean Prieur there are proves that one could die if their double is killed. And the astral body isn't something non-material - it's just made from another kind of matter which has too high and fast vibrations and that's why it's almost (or completely) invissible and could pass through more hard objects with slower vibrations(walls, doors etc.). When the double goes out of the physicle body it takes some matter from it - if the matter is too much it couldn't pass through solid objects.
And they say that the double will go to astral levels it belongs - I mean that if your soul's eyes are open enough you could go everywhere...otherwise you could wander in lower levels where the vissions aren't so pleasant. But you're right - these negative projections can't hurt you if you're positive tuned.
Be safe[]

[neowert]

I was reading about astral travel in Introduction To Hermetics by Franz Bardon.  He said when you travel astrally, your astral body leaves, connected by a thin silver cord.  He also said that it is dangerous.  If you are touched by another human, the energy from it will break the cord, killing you.  I trust Franz Bardon as a source, so I do not doubt that fact.  But in what circumstances is that true?  Is astral projection an OBE in such a manner?  What manners of OBEs are potentially lethal?