doing obe with t.v on?

[Risu no Kairu]

Yes. Yes, you can. If it doesn't distract you from meditation, you can  do it. I mean, if you're not focusing on it, eventually, you'll get a point where you notice you can't hear the TV. However, this will break your meditative state, and you'll go back to normal consciousness. I speak from experience. Only with a radio instead of a TV.

[smooth]

ya that is what i thought as well. people say that they lighsen to tapes that help them obe but i thought it was would be differnt.

[Makaveli]

Most of the time when I try to project I leave the TV on with no volume.  The flashing in the room from the screen sort of helps me stay aware.  Just in the last 2 days I've already projected 6 times with it on.

[Chris]

Smooth,

some thoughts:

If you see this individual or others frequently it is not much of a problem if it is only happening during sleep or between phases of sleep. If this starts to happen while you are awake during the day, it might start to present more of a problem. As long as these entities or spirits are not doing anything destructive, negative, or damaging to you, you can just ignore them. From time to time spirits will pass through my appartment or be attracted to me because I'm sensitive or aware of them. You have 3 choices... 1) Ignore them 2) Use your mental/spiritual energy/strength and well... remove them from the premises. 3) Try to make contact with them and find out what it is they need. Another possibility is hat you have frequently visiting guides, in which case you should just let them do what they know how to do best.

chris

[smooth]

ya good idea i will try it one night i will go to bed without tv and just sit and wait for them to come.

[Kristina]

Hi guys,

I have been seeing numerous people and entities as well, they are there in my house from the moment I become conscious that I am about to leave my body.  I can see them through my closed eyelids, looking at me through the glass bedroom doors (french doors with clear glass panes).  It got to where it was so unnerving that I completely lost the ability to project for over a month.  I was just too nervous and jumpy, so my brain went into some kind of survival mode until I could get over the fear.  Each time I would try to project, I would just fall asleep.  I guess this was for the best, at the time.

All the logic in the world didn't help me get over this fear.  Yeah, I know they can't hurt me.  But it's just so startling and unnerving to find PEOPLE IN YOUR HOME, in your HALLWAY for God's sake.  And having them want to touch you.

Even when they are not in the house, they ring the doorbell.  The first time this happened, I was out of my body in my bedroom and trying to go to the void (something I've done twice now, and want to practice more).  The doorbell rang and I thought I was awake.  I said "dammit, just as I was getting ready to project to the void."  So I ran down the hallway and answered the door only to find three astral people there to bug me, trying to come in and talk to me.  Arg!

As for "finding out what they want," yeah that sounds nice, and I would do it if they approached me one at a time.  But it's always like 10 at a time, and they want to talk to me and touch me and grab me, all at once!  They are NOT trying to hurt me, most of the time.  But it's just so annoying.  For awhile it got to where my entire projections were spent in my living room just trying to get these entities to leave me alone.  I could repel them with a pushing-away hand motion, this works VERY well, but when there are so many it becomes exhausting.

I'm now projecting again, since it's been a month and the immediate memory of this recurring hallway scene seems to have faded.  Now, whenever I get ready to project, I launch myself in the other direction and proceed out the sliding glass door into my backyard.  I'm usually alone out there, with the exception of my two dogs (who are sleeping in the living room, so they join me astrally), and an assortment of animals who have passed on before (this is always fun!).  Last week my boxer was playing with another dog, a friend's dog who died like almost 20 years ago.  What a trip!

Anyway, not sure what my point is here... just that astral entities can be so annoying.  I have had to adapt and get the heck out of my house immediately after exit in order to avoid being surprised and accosted in my hallway.  At least I have only yet (so far) seen humans, I've heard much worse horror stories...

[Kristina]

Oh yeah, I remembered what else I wanted to say... that I want to learn to project with the tv on too.  Or in a busy place, or a noisy place, and sitting up.  I want to be able to project anywhere, anytime!  I am greedy but I want complete control over this ability.  I don't want to be restricted anymore to projecting only in my quiet bedroom, lying down.  Any pointers will be appreciated!  I have the feeling that TOTALLY clearing the mind, despite any distractions, is the key, the doorway.

[Chris]

Once in a while I'll "detect" or sense other entities or dead souls passing through or entering my home during the day. One very effective way I deal with this sometimes is using the PUSH with the hands technique you mentioned. It's really like a mental sweep. While I'm awake I will use my hands as sort of a guide to sweep my mind and push any other entities out of my home. I do this toward all directions of my house and up and down.  It sets a general ward for meandering spirits.  It is not full proof against something that really wants to get in, but it's sort of like a mosquito net for souls who are not very motivated but just wandering around looking for someone to bother. When they encounter even a slightly resistant barrier they turn the other way sort of like that robotic vacuum cleaner I saw at the store the other day that turns when it touches a wall.

Doing meditation with other distractions around you is great exercise for people who have advance to a certain degree. I would not recommend it for beginners though.

[smooth]

ah good i idea the pushing methed. i never tryed it but i will tonight when i try to project.

[Thing]

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- James.

[smooth]

the thing is thingy it is like that almost every ware.lmao[!]

[smooth]

Ok I have a slight problem at night when I go to bed I have to watch TV. The resin I have to watch TV is because of things I see. At night I see things flying around and I can really sense spirits or ghost what ever. One night I fell asleep and I was awoken at night to some one in my closet I thought it was just my brother so I thought nothing of it, so I said get out go back to bed and the something looked at me and left my room.

  OK lets get some things clear I sleep in the basement I have a room down there and at the time my brother was sleeping in the basement as well but in the living room down there (NOT IN MY ROOM)
OK I got made because he woke me up and left the closet open so I go to the living room and yell at hem it was weird he was sleeping and I could tell I just woke hem by yelling at hem. Well then I go back to my room shut my closet door and go back to sleep I thought nothing of it that night.

   The next morning I sit up thinking what just happened. I think ya it was just a dream that was just very real, I thought maybe I should ask my bro if I really woke hem up. I ask hem, he says yes in an angry voice (still made that I woke hem up lol). OK by me watching TV it helps a great deal. I don't turn it up loud because I don't hear nothing just see them. (btw I also can see orbs) OK I was thinking I would just turn the volume down low very low. I can here like the electrical current of appliance as well kinda stupid.

   MY QUESTON IS CAN I HAVE MY T.V ON WHEN TRYING TO OBE WITH THE VOULUME DOWN?
CHRIS