Ejaculation and Energy Loss

[boydster]

Basically, I agree with you. [][][]

I've had some debates with people at times over this who insist that energy is not lost or doesn't have to be lost. I'm of the opinion that it is probably possible to train yourself to have some kind of pleasurable sensation but to hold the spinal energy in check. But the fact is that this is not what most people naturally do. They go with the flow, especially since it feels so good. If anyone disagrees, well, can you have 100 orgasms in a day??? 50?? 20?? Most people agree that in real life there is a limit....

I've personally ceased to regard it from the point of view of sin or evil or something like that. I see it from the viewpoint of each days allotment of energy can be used in a variety of ways and according to free will. If you will the energy upwards and express it in beautiful, creative or useful ways, you've probably gained in some permanent way as opposed to jacking it onto the ground. It's like, you can invest your allowance and make it grow, or blow it away in a big rush of sensation. I think there are consequences with each decision.

I'm not some prude who thinks there is no place for sex. Not at all.[] But I do believe that the energy released is the occult fire of creation and it's best to respect and value what is given to us.

[Kalonek]

Interesting ! From my own experience, i feel drained if the ejaculation is on my own, and it takes time to balance my energy again and to feel "normal", so eventhough it might be good on the moment i feel bad physically (energetically ?) aftewards. But if i'm with my girlfriend, then it's totally different, and it feels good even afterwards, i feel energized also exhausted physically. That's why i agree with you boydster in what you say. We should deeply respect all this, and either do it in the way it was physically designed for (sex) or by trying to grow with the process by redirecting the energy to the higher chakras (like in tantra btw isn't it ?) I've tried it but i can't so i just don't do it now

[kakkarot]

as boydster said, you can train yourself to not lose the energy. during the orgasm, if you try to keep a bit of your consciousness focused on keeping your energy within your body you should be able to cut the energy loss down by quite a bit. it might be hard at first with the distraction going on [] but if you're willing to give up a bit of the ecstacy of the moment you should be able to keep a lot of your energy that would normally be ejected, inside your body (those who are in low-energy environments might want to keep this in mind, while those who have no trouble drawing in more than enough energy probably won't feel the need to bother ^_^).

you can even go a step further and use that "free-floating" energy to enhance the spike of feeling of the orgasm. you can even, as you're sitting here now, reading this, use your energy to cause ecstacy spikes in your body, and by doing pretty much the same thing during the orgasm (might need to adjust a bit for the situation) it's sometimes powerful enough to nearly knock you out ^_^ have fun, but remember not to get addicted []

~kakkarot

[Moonburn33]

notice that you won't see a female start a thread about this.

[Kalonek]

quote:Originally posted by Moonburn33

notice that you won't see a female start a thread about this.

For obvious physical reasons...

Any way, I was with my girlfriend today, and tried what was explained hereabove. At the moment of ejaculation, when feeling the semen flowing into the groin, i used all my energetic and mental ressources, all my willpower to push the energy back inside me, and i must say that it was DAMN hard !! But i managed to do it, and the instant of ejaculation gave me one of the biggest orgasm i had for many weeks, even months. Just before that, i pushed the energy upward in my spine, up to my heart chakra. I didn't manage to get a very hard stimulation of it, by i felt something in it just afterwards, and my spinal energetic pathway was activated, i could feel it. I'll try it again for sure ! And moreover, i didn't feel drained ! I was totally energized !! So i think i did it right.

[Moonburn33]

what?  females don't lose energy after masturbating?  i beg to differ.

[Kalonek]

quote:Originally posted by Moonburn33

what?  females don't lose energy after masturbating?  i beg to differ.

Nope, i was talking about ejaculation in fact I indeed guess that everyone, male or female, do so.

[Eol007]

Hi Ladies and Gents,

Two great books on the subject... which should help to clear up any confusion about cultivation of Chi etc, male orgasm and the differentiation between Org and ejaculation!

The Tao of Health, Sex and Longetivity by Daniel Reid

or

Mantak Chia (of Healing Tao fame) & Douglas Abrams Arava's - The Multi-Orgasmic man. Lots of info therein for the fair sex as well!

You may also find some illuminating insight on this most personal of human subjects on Tantra.com as an example.

Enjoy,


S

[Kalonek]

Just for the record, i tried it again today (i saw my gf this morning). I think i have gained some ability in this, for this time i almost didn't feel the orgasm etc, it happened but all my attention was draw to my spinal energetic pathway, and i felt a huge rush of energy coming up to the higher chakras, and as last time i didn't feel drained after, even the opposite. I think i'm going to do it every time now

[boydster]

quote:Originally posted by Kalonek

Just for the record, i tried it again today (i saw my gf this morning). I think i have gained some ability in this, for this time i almost didn't feel the orgasm etc, it happened but all my attention was draw to my spinal energetic pathway, and i felt a huge rush of energy coming up to the higher chakras, and as last time i didn't feel drained after, even the opposite. I think i'm going to do it every time now

Did you tell your girlfriend what you're doing? If she's a sensitive person she might notice the difference and start to think you're getting weird or that you don't like her or, etc., etc. Women tend to analyze (and over-analyze) things more than men in the absense of blunt, honest communication....I've found that in the end it's best to tell them everything and discuss it. They appreciate it.

[Kalonek]

quote:Originally posted by boydster

Did you tell your girlfriend what you're doing? If she's a sensitive person she might notice the difference and start to think you're getting weird or that you don't like her or, etc., etc. Women tend to analyze (and over-analyze) things more than men in the absense of blunt, honest communication....I've found that in the end it's best to tell them everything and discuss it. They appreciate it.

Thank you for this advice boydster you seem to speak from experience! In fact i hadn't tell her anything about my energy work until 3 weeks ago, as i feel that it's getting more and more serious (more than 2 years together). It was a real shock for her, from a scientist formation, and the first week was really weird, i thought she will dumped me or maybe even worse, as i had ruined all her belief system. But it get better and now i tell her everything i do, and it seems to be ok. She even wants me to learn her how to see auras But indeed i haven't told her about this in particular, so you're right, i will tell her. Or maybe just enjoy normal sex life most of the time and only do it from times to times. I don't know yet, but this technic is very powerful when you understand what you must do to have it work.

[shadowdancer]

Namaste,
    I really want to thank everyone for their articulate and genuine responses.  Thank you

[WalkerInTheWoods]

I would like to point out that orgasm and ejaculation are two different things that can occur at different times. There is no reason why you can't have an orgasm (or any number or orgasms) without ejaculating. You can even have an orgasm while sitting at your desk reading this, if you know how. This being the case, orgasms are infinite. You can have as many as you want. Ejaculation on the other hand is finite, as you can only do it as much as you have supplied at the time. It is also possible to ejaculate and not lose energy, or atleast very much. Keeping the orgasmic energies within your body can be very helpful, energizing, and healthy.

As was suggested, I highly recommend reading The Multi-Orgasmic Man for anyone who is interested in this. It will answer about all your questions and give you a wealth of information on this subject. If you have a significant other then it is a good idea to read it together.

[Kalonek]

I had read something about a scientist having discovered with electric stimulation in monkey's brains (external stimulation) different zones for sexual desire (erection), ejaculation and orgasm. And he could then make the monkey have multiple orgasm without erection nor ejaculation. Anyway, i'm not personally interested in the pleasurable aspect of this but more on the energetic one. But i'll give a try to this book if i come across it in an english bookstore.

[WalkerInTheWoods]

I know this book is available on Amazon.com, so possibly it is on their European site(s). I believe they also have it available in a downloadable verson. If that is better for you, then you might want to check it out. This book is usually available in most bookstores here in the US. I have seen it almost every time I go into one. Maybe you will get lucky and it will be like that where you live as well.

The main focus is energy for this practice, but I find it very difficult to separate energy and pleasure as you have implied. They go hand in hand when it comes to working with sexual energy. It is probably just a different kind of pleasure than you are thinking about.

[Kalonek]

quote:Originally posted by fallnangel77

I know this book is available on Amazon.com, so possibly it is on their European site(s). I believe they also have it available in a downloadable verson. If that is better for you, then you might want to check it out. This book is usually available in most bookstores here in the US. I have seen it almost every time I go into one. Maybe you will get lucky and it will be like that where you live as well.

The main focus is energy for this practice, but I find it very difficult to separate energy and pleasure as you have implied. They go hand in hand when it comes to working with sexual energy. It is probably just a different kind of pleasure than you are thinking about.

Thanks, i'll try to see if i can buy it in my local english bookstore, or at least read it directly there Otherwise i'll go to amazon.com and order it as i usually do in these cases.
About pleasure and energy, well indeed here i had some pleasure, but of a different type than sexual one, it was the feeling of the energy rushing up my spine to the higher chakras which was good, but not in the sexual way. From my experience the energy can only be qualified of "sexual" or "mental" or whatever only when it is in or around the corresponding chakra, but as soon as you pull it elsewhere, it takes a new quality. So when i made it rush up my spine, it was no more sexual energy i guess.

[WalkerInTheWoods]

When I refer to sexual energy I am merely talking about where the energy came from. You are correct. You are transforming the energy as you pull it up. Sexual energy is hot and volatile. Pulling it up transforms it into more stable energy. But energy is energy. It is all the same, just in different states I guess.

And just as you are transforming the energy, so you are transforming the pleasure. As the sexual energy is explosive, so is the pleasure if kept in the groin area. Moving the energy up transforms the energy into something more refined as well as the pleasure. So the pleasure you experience is more spiritual than sexual, or that is how I see it but words are just labels that are hard to describe such things.

[Kalonek]

Although it's what i already thought about energy, I like how you put it into words And indeed it's what i feel during the experience of the sexual energy coming up. It's like if it was becoming "deeper" (i don't know how to explain it better ...) and less "volatile" (or explosive as you say).

[boydster]

quote:Originally posted by Kalonek
From my experience the energy can only be qualified of "sexual" or "mental" or whatever only when it is in or around the corresponding chakra, but as soon as you pull it elsewhere, it takes a new quality. So when i made it rush up my spine, it was no more sexual energy i guess.

The word "qualified" is the exact word that I use also.[]

For me, the light/fire that comes out of the root chakra is of an "unqualified" nature, having only a somewhat feminine aspect to it. If it collects in the groin and rushes out, it is qualified with the aspect of what we term a "sexual" feeling. If that same fire bypasses the groin and exudes from the heart chakra, it's positive aspect is (generally speaking) divine love. I've watched myself  internally at times and noticed that when I'm working on building something or constructing a technical document, some of this light is flowing up and out of my brow chakra. Etc., etc.

Not only that, but the color of the light emanating from a chakra is changed from the basic white of the unqualifed spine energy to a color corresponding to the specific activity or other "creation" which is being accomplished by that chakra.

I think "imparting a quality to" is precisely what the chakras do with this raw energy of creation.

[Kalonek]

quote:Originally posted by boydster

The word "qualified" is the exact word that I use also.[]

I'm glad to see i'm not the only one to think this []

quote:
I think "imparting a quality to" is precisely what the chakras do with this raw energy of creation.

It's exactly what i thought too !
Btw boydster your technics to stimulate the heart chakra are very effective, i can stimulate it really well ow, which was very difficult for me only 1 month ago. Thanks !

[Lighthouse]

Hi guys,

Being a woman who has an interest in Tantric sex, I would suggest obtaining a few books on the subject... Complete Idiots Guide to Tantric Sex (I hate those titles but the content is good) or Playboy has a "Making Love Series" video about Tantric sex, both of them can be purchased on Amazon.com.  They discuss the method of harnessing those orgasms and recycling them... for both men and women.  Additionally, as a woman who has experienced amazing orgasms using the same breathing/muscle control techniques, I would suggest that you tell your girlfriend about it and encourage her to do the same... it's a way to "find your bliss" so to speak and telling your girlfriend will help her to enjoy the same experience.  I have experienced hours of bliss after using the Tantric Techniques and I know why it is called Spiritual Sex.  

...and yes, it is invigorating, not draining.

Kerri

[WalkerInTheWoods]

Thank you, Kerri. I might check out the book. hehe I think those titles are meant to be funny. [] I have studied the Taoism practice but not Tantric. I would like to see the differences between them, though clearly the goal is the same.

You should definitely share with your girlfriend so you can both practice. The book I suggested is about women and couples too, it is just more focused on male sexuality. The authors have a book for couples as well.

Yes the practices are invigorating. It can really give you a lot of energy which can improve your life in many ways.

[Silversunset]

quote:For me, I don't feel so much that I should lose energy if I ejaculate, nor do I feel it neccessary for me to atone for aeons of untold sin and become celibate

My thought is this:
assuming that you have a partner (i.e. not masturbating) then why couldn't you just 'trade'??? Basically the energy released by one is absorbed by the other. Obviously this would only work if both parties were in tuned to what was going on, but there is so much sex-related energy being wasted on people who have no idea how to tap into it. This way, you can ejaculate all your little penis desires and still be 'energized' afterwards.

[WalkerInTheWoods]

quote:Originally posted by Silversunset

 This way, you can ejaculate all your little penis desires and still be 'energized' afterwards.

Why ejaculate at all if you can have both orgasms and share energy without having to? The body still has to reproduce what is lost which means using more energy to create more. If one is ejaculating a lot then that can be draining. What is it that a man wants to actually do, ejaculate or have orgasms? Unless one is wanting to procreate then he is really only wanting orgasm, but because he thinks they are one and the same he does not know any better. There is also a difference in the orgasms one can experience. With the orgasm that usually comes with ejaculation is it localized in the genitals. Orgasms that come without ejaculating using Tao/Tantric techniques can be anywhere in the body or whole body and be very energizing. One can still experience this and ejaculate, but the orgasms are not dependent up it.

You do have a good idea, but if you would study Taoist Techniques you would understand that much more is possible. You are viewing it as exchanging only the explosive "end" energies. Taoism teaches to share your energies throughout the act and that there is no real end until you both desire to stop, because you are transforming this energy from the explosive to the spiritual.

And one really good reason to prolong ejaculation. The longer one can go without ejaculating during sex, the more pleasurable it feels.

[Silversunset]

quote:You do have a good idea, but if you would study Taoist Techniques you would understand that much more is possible

IF i would study???
who says i haven't? i was commenting on the topic of EJACULATION not orgasming.