Disturbing nightmares

[Patty]

HI RM,

Funny, the first nightmare that came to my mind also involved family and evil -

Very short - I was standing with my mom looking at a picture of a sister and her family. The picture was hanging on the wall. I knew it was a bad picture somehow, like it was ominous.Suddenly the picture lifted away from the wall and a white smoke that was very very very ominous indeed, swirled out from behind the picture. I knew that pictures shouldn't be able to lift away from the wall like that, but I didn't really become lucid - Anyway, I was really scared, the smoke came towards me and started wrapping around my legs and crawling up through my body and it was chanting 'evil, evil, evil....'  I could feel the smoke penetrating me, poisoning me, I was terrified.

I started calling out Jesus! Jesus! And soon woke up in a cold sweat.

(Interesting side note - that sister and I have had a falling out recently over some issues involving her family. I wonder if the dream is related....)

Patty

[jilola]

Wow. That is definitely not a nice dream.
I'd ask myself what the underlying contructive message might be. I mean in my expperience these kinds of dreams are an extremely roundabout way of making a necessary point.
Obviously it isn't meant to be taken at face value what with all the deviations from real life facts. So maybe the last desperate vestiges of your subconscious resistence making an attempt to psych you out?

2cents

jouni

[Patty]

quote:the last desperate vestiges of your subconscious resistence making an attempt to psych you out

I think so.

I feel like the 'evil' part was actually confronted and resolved in the dream -which is positive. Even though I am not 'christian' in the sense of a church going bible-focused christian, I do consider Jesus to be a loving/powerful personal being who would help anyone who asked --- but I wonder why I called for help like that. Like, I would like to be able to overcome obstacles on my own so what does the fact that I called for help really say?  Why didn't I try something on my own first?

More perplexing to me is the image of my sister and her family in the photograph, and standing with my mother looking at this photo. My mother had recently died at the time of the dream....

These seem like important elements to me in understanding all the messages of the dream, but I have not figured them out yet.

Less than 2 cents -

Patty

[cainam_nazier]

I have had so many horrifying dreams that I can not pick out just one.  But if I had to pick one that was lets say the most mentally distressing I would have to pick the following.  Mostly because I was paranoid for several days after the fact.

I'll give you just the ending part because that is were the most problems came from.

I was laying on a table face down and these two guys were standing over me.  I was only just then starting to be able to hear and one of them said, "Don't worry he won't remember any of this."  And the he stuck me in the back of the head with a very large needle.  Then I woke up.

The major problem was that when I woke up I was in the same exact position that I was at the end of the dream.  I also could still feel where the needle had gone in.  And I couldn't move to boot.  I laid there for what I think was about 5 mins before I was about to move again, the whole time I was trying to figure out what just happened and if I was awake or asleep durning it and what state I was in at that moment.  It really messed with my brain.


David Rogalski
cainam_nazier@hotmail.com
I am he who walks in the light but is masked by the shadows.

[Patty]

Jouni -  realized you were tallking to Rodentmouse. Sorry!

David, yuck! How long ago was that?  Obviously "Abduction' crossed my mind - what do you think of that possibility?

Patty

[jilola]

Patty: No prob.We were probably replying atthe exact same time.
David: Although many abduction stories are similar to the dream I haven't heard of one where the abductors were worried about you remembering or spoke english.
What is the timeframe with these two dreams? Within a short period of time or far apart? Whuich came first? I'd still claim subconscious resistance but if the dreams are separated by several years for example the my interpretaiton would be unlikely.

2cents

jouni

[rodentmouse]

jilola,  are you saying that weather i like it or not, a part of me is trying to stop me  adventuring into my dreams  and the whole AP training??
because i certainly know that i want to project,  as far as my ego goes, i know that i  have NO interest in giving up until i acheive an obe.

as for the dream analysis,  i know what it meant,   after keeping a journal for about 2 months now i realsie that all my dreams have a correlation in meaning and are telling me something about myself that i have always known but never liked to think about,  something which is quite pathetic in a way about me which i never have or never will tell anyone.

i got the dream symbols and interpretation information free from an online OBE course where one section is "dream symbols and analysis"  it comes weekly for 8 weeks and is free for download at....

http://www.mysticweb.org   under the online classes section...

for example....
a god or angel........symbolises a master is present
a bike...............symbolises the progress of ones spiritual development
insects.................symbolises a negative entity
etc

[jilola]

Rodentmouse: Ok, so the dreams haven't been too far apart (journal over 2 months) and during that time I assume you've worked on achieving an OBE pretty consistently? I'd suggest that you're nearing a breakthrough and you subconscious, which isn't always in agreement with what our consicious mind wants, is trying to fight the change.
Unless the dreams aren't getting oout of hand I'd keep at it. They will probably go away once you subC accepts your determination.
So I'd say yes, your mind is trying to keep things the way they are ie. no OBEs. But don't give up. For some people it's the fear, for others the astral noise. Seems that for you it's nightmares.

As for interpreting the dreams I'm not even going to try since you say you've got them figured out.

2cents

jouni

[cainam_nazier]

Patty,

 I find it really funny that you mentioned that.  When I told my mother and aunt that was the first thing that they said as well.  I however do not believe that it was an abduction.  The resulting paranoya from the dream was because of a lack of ability.  I was unable to focus on anything and my thoughts were running rampant at the time.  I believe that it was an explination as to what was about to happen.  I believe that at that time I had gone too far too fast.  Too much development, which caused the brain to shut down those parts until a more suitable time, and used the dream as a way of explaining it.

jilola,

 It was just one dream that caused this.  The other reason I don't think abduction right away is because the "people" in the dream felt human and male, but they were extreamly none descript.  I could only see what they were wearing and how tall they were, all other features are unrecallable.



Oh yeah, this was about 3 years about.

David Rogalski
cainam_nazier@hotmail.com
I am he who walks in the light but is masked by the shadows.

[WalkerInTheWoods]

I rarely remember any of my dreams, 2 or 3 a month if I am lucky. Those that I do remember have not been nightmares. I would say that I have not had a nightmare, except the one I am about to talk about, since I was very young. I might have dreams that are odd, weird, or dark but I do not find them scary or fearful so I do not call them nightmares. I enjoy my dreams which may be why I do not have nightmares. I just enjoy the experience even if it is something that others would probably consider a nightmare, but since I am lacking fear it is not one.

Anyway, about 2 or 3 years ago is the last time I recall a nightmare. It was in the evening and I laid down to try and project. I fell asleep and had some pretty lucid dreams. The first is difficult to explain and not really a nightmare so I will skip it. But right after it I had this one. This is kind of hard to explain because it involves a lot of "dream or astral skills" such as telepathy and such. Anyway this old man, or what looked like one, came up to me and started "telling" me about this event, or rather it was like something that he had done and wanted to confess to. He did not actually even speak any words but instead he showed me what had happened. He was a young boy, not sure about age but I am guessing 5-10 years old, when this took place. There was another boy and he wanted to play with this person. Something involving a ball. The details are a little fuzzy now. Something happened that really upset this person, I am not sure if he lost the game or what but it was nothing to get very upset about I know that. Anyway I felt his emotions and his anger kept building and building very quickly. He suddenly grabbed a ball like object, it was of some heavy, dense material. Then he started hitting the other boy with it on the head. As he was hitting him his rage kept building. Well clearly he killed the boy but he still kept hitting him. I then woke up. I am not sure if this was just a dream or if it was more, because it sort of felt like it was more than just a dream but I will not jump to conclusions. It just felt like this man wanted me to know what happened. I am not sure if he was asking for forgiveness, if maybe he just wanted to tell someone or what.

Now this was not exactly a nightmare in the scary, fearful sense. I classify this as a nightmare because of the negativity in it. I actually felt his emotions. They were SO strong it was unbelievable. I felt his anger and uncontrolable rage. It made me fell so dirty. I felt dirty, like this negative energy was clinging to me, for several days after this occured.

[PeacefulWarrior]

Funny I find this topic today when indeed yesterday I had one of the worst dreams I have had in a LONG time.  I rarely have nightmares, but yesterday while taking a nap I dreamed I was taken prisoner by this group of terrorists (not Middle-Easterners, just for the record).  There was no use trying to escape and when I signaled to my wife (who entered the place where I was with a tour group) they told me that I was going to have one of my testicles chopped off).  Later I found myself floating in a house and then back in the compound.  When I finally escaped I took a hot shower and then the terrorists entered it and raped me.  What a great dream!  I have no idea what is symblozies and frankly, I don't want to know.  I think it had to do with a spy thriller I am reading the a film I had finished watching right before I went to sleep.  Also, the room was hot and when I am warm I am prone to have nightmares.

fides quaerens intellectum

[WalkerInTheWoods]

ACK! Testicle chopping and rape. That does not sound like a pleasant experience. Hmm I have never been raped in a dream before, just out of curiousity what is it like?

[kakkarot]

well the most frightening experience i have had that pertains to sleeping, that i remember, was when i was like 15 and i was trying to get to sleep one night (i sleep in the basement with no light at all) and i kept getting a chill running through me. it was for no reason that i could figure out. i just kept getting the feeling that i was in mortal danger, as though a giant monster or a killer would come through my door (or was already in my room) and would kill me. i was terrified so much that i turned on the light and searched my room. i then turned off the light and went back to bed. but the feeling began again. i was scared for my life without reason. so i thought it over and resolved to trust in God completely. i then prayed to God and asked him to either protect me or make my passing over an easy one if i was to die that night. then i just decided that if i were to die that it would be my time and that God would make it easy on me, so i threw away the fear and went to bed.


as to my worst nightmare, well, i have the feeling that i have had one, but i can't remember what it is. as well, attached to that feeling of having had one is a mental note that it probably had to do with my future and that i don't remember it because it is not time for me to remember.


the most disturbing dream i have had (not terrifying, nor a nightmare) was one i had when i was like 8, but it wasn't disturbing at the time, just cool. i was running along the coulees behind my house, and i knew that i was running from something that was chasing me. i wasn't overly concerned for some reason, but i did know i wasn't stupid enough to confront it. so i was running along and i noticed that the coulees looked different; the part of the coulees that i was in was a deep and wide crevice in the ground with tall sheer cliffs on either side of it, but in the dream the entire area was "smoothed" out so that the cliffs were now semi-gentle slopes that led right to the bottom and then back up the other side.

so i was running along that when i saw a girl lying on the ground unconscious just a little ways up and in my path. i don't know how i knew it was a girl because the image was just a black shape in the shape of a human, but i did. in the dream i realized that i had to help this girl or whatever was behind me would get her and i didn't want that. so i picked her up on my way (still just a shadow) and continued until i saw a bridge that gapped the bottom of the "crevice". i went onto the bridge and then stopped, opened a trap door and took me and the girl inside. i then waited. as i waited, an army marched over head, and it felt as though they were searching for me and that i shouldn't be caught by them. well, they passed, and in order to protect the girl from being found, i decided to lead them away from her.

i got out of the trapdoor, and ran alongside the army until i got to the front of it, and i then started jeering at them and calling them on so they would follow me rather than go back and possibly find the girl. well, for some reason i was faster than they could ever hope to be (in fact i felt like i was far more powerful than a human should be, and that i was almost toying with them in my demeaner) so i kept far in front of them until i came to a cliff. i jumped off without hesitation, knowing the army would follow, but only after i jumped did i realize that i would no longer be able to help the girl if she needed it. then i woke up, half way through the fall, with that last thought of not being able to help the girl still on my mind.

cool, right? i thought so too, until a couple of years after the dream when the city went in and bulldozed that area of the coulees so that it looked exactly like it did in my dreams. there is still no bridge there, but i get the feeling there will be someday. also, during the period between the dream and the bulldozing, i was given a series of five visions (in my waking hours) that showed there would be a war coming (i PM'ed cainam with the visions a while ago, so if cainam still has them i give him full permission to forward them to anyone who asks, since i don't have a copy and it would be a pain to rewrite them    ). very disturbing. (even more disturbing when you take into account that i actually now have friends that are girls, and one of those friends looks to be the exact size and shape as the shadow-human and that she is somehow related to my fate).

sorry for it being so long.  

~kakkarot

Secret of Secrets

[PeacefulWarrior]

Actually, I just knew they were going to rape me..I never actually "experienced" it in the dream, thank goodness!

fides quaerens intellectum

[rodentmouse]

hello to the people
what has been everyone worst dream lately or ever.....

i started this topic because today i had my most horrible dream ever since i started to keep a journal.

(the dream......)

i was talking to my brother about astral projection (a subconsious clue???) but i never realised or thought to do a reality check *damnit*   and he told me that it was all lies and that the cult he was a part of was the only true beleif and that i should join it....
then all of a sudden  i appeared at the cults home  and a few cult members, my brother included started to rape, beat-up and stab a woman and i was simply watching  this scene from the corner......

i later found out that this woman was called "Alison" and she was my sister,  even though i dont have a sister in real life....

then i appeared at my home (not MY home though) where i found my mom and dad. They had both gone crazy because they couldnt accept what had happened.
the most scary thing was is that i could SENSE an evil coming from my brother, I  intuitively knew that he had turned evil by joining this cult and it was most disturbing.