satanic or not?

[vitality84]

If you are going to go by Christian belief systems, then yes, it's 'satin,' or how I would spell it 'satan.' You wear satin, remember?

Anyhow, I haven't had a successful projection. Only spontaneous ones that I 'aborted' in a sense from freaking out. I can't tell you from experience but many people will tell you that like attract likes--fear attracts fear, love attracts love etc. What you have in your conscious mind, or buried within the subconscious, will be reflected within the astral. The benefits of astral projection will not be discussed in most christian beliefs because they are tradition--easterm philosophy on the other hand has a completely different take on it. If you want to go by Christian belief, and believe that 'satin' is tricking you into believing astral projection is a good thing, then do not try to project/do not astral project.

[rhinegirl]

quote:Originally posted by vitality84

 it's 'satin,' or how I would spell it 'satan.' You wear satin,

satan, satin. A satiny satanic satin was wrapped tightly around mustardseed. LOL!

Jessica *drinking tonight and finding herself to be very amusing*

[xane]

This is a good example of why you shouldn't believe everything people tell you.  More than likely this person has never AP'd and they just believe whoever has influenced without ever trying it for themselves.  I think this is a ridiculous philosophy that relies on peoples' fear that they will go to hell if they do this.  My advice is to do whatever feels right to you, not rely on others' moral compasses.

[James S]

Hi SmileySpirit,

Ultimately the choice as to whether you believe what your friend said is yours and yours alone. All anyone else can do is state their case. It is your beliefs that count.

From personal experience (albeit limited) I have found nothing at all dangerous about astral projecting. It is simply another level of consciousness - neither good nor evil.

An important thing to consider if you are still keen to attempt astral projection is that your beliefs will affect your experience. If you expect to experience bad things because of what someone said, that is what you'll get. If your expectations are good and positive, then so will be the experience.

Regards,
James.

[wendi]

If this person's interference bothered you it probably wasn't very nice and could be considered a kind of satan.





Feed on me.--Judas Priest

[galacticsurfer]

I know when I talked to my brother, who has been heavily into fumdamentalist type christian churches for quite a while, about meditation and astrology and stuff he intimates that meditation leaves an empty mind and this lets you lose control and then the devil comes in.

In my opinion this devil is simply your fear of your own dark side. I read in one book about OBEing or lucid dreaming that when the guy first did it he met his dark side which was a really evil looking guy all dressed in black with red eyes and he freaked out and woke up all scared so he never wanted to try that again. He told his friend about this and he told him that is just all your fears and bad nature all wrapped up together. He then thought a lot about this and got over his fear through understanding. When he OBEd the 2nd time he met this dark creature again and it was very weakened and beat it into a pulp till it disappeared and he never saw it again and has been in the astral realm having lots of fun since then.

Now I have not been terribly lucid in many dreams since I started up on this a month ago but I have remembered between 1-4 dreams most nights and one time early on I went purposely to a haunted house to confront my fears and another time I fought an evil type person. I notice that these are all subconscious fears made concrete in my dreams. This sort of thing is diminishing for me. A couple of days ago in my dream a big shaggy dog was trying to get at me. I decided he was just being friendly and I just hugged him.

I noticed in my dreams all sorts of subconscious neurotic fears and bad self attitiudes are expressed("I hate myself, I am a failure" etc.) Realizing these negative subliminals is the best way of getting rid of them then it will get easier to become lucid in dreams by understanding the subconscious and the fear trips it puts on us.

I did not answer whether I believed in God or Devil. Of course there are bad spirits out there trying to keep us from enlightenment or unity with God/Christ consciousness. Fear is the number one thing stopping our unity with God. Breaking out of the limits of the middle ages by accepting techniques not specifically written in a particular religious text and suppressed therefore by the clerics at that time has been important to the rise of our current civilization(no the world is not flat and the sun does not go around the earth, etc). We should not let the modern scientific dogma do this fear trip to us either by saying we are insane if we have kundalini, lucid dreams or OBE. We are in the world coming to a much larger picture of reality based on the deepest connection to ourselves and nature and the physical reality. Someday maybe everyone will learn NEW techniques and do lucid dreaming and have kundalini experiences and learn simple telepathy. This is a matter of survival itself to get over our fear of the unknown,. Evolution is a purposeful act of the individual and not a coincidental mutation of some genes. Our current materialistic paradigm is destroying mother Earth. We do not have any choice but to go forward. There is no way back to the middle ages.

[WalkerInTheWoods]

I would say that your friend is correct. Satan can mislead you. But you must understand what Satan is to understand this. From my studies it seems more and more apparent to me that Satan is merely the symbol for Ego. Ego is the great misleader. You must first understand and strive to overcome Ego. Then you can have a much clearer idea of what truly lies beyond. Which is pretty much what everyone here has said, just with different terminology.

I wanted to add that anyone that says that meditating is leaving the mind blank for negative influence knows nothing about meditating. Which would be easier to influence, a clear mind or one jumbled with thoughts in disorder?

[beavis]

smileyspirit14: is not what its meant for

I usually ignore people when they argue based on what is "meant" that way. Its a way for them to tell you what they think and say somebody more important than them agrees, but have they even talked to that somebody?

Let me give an example. There are 10 top level managers at the place you work, but because you're a lowly clerk you have never talked to them. Each sent out a paper a few years ago, vaguely worded, and some contradicting with each other. An other clerk tells you that "the boss" means for you to come into work on saturday. You ask him why and he replies "because it was written a long time ago that saturday is a good day to work". He has also been practicing his mind reading, and says he feels "the boss" definitely wants you to come into work saturday. Do you come into work saturday?

BTW I worship the giant hippopotamus god of the north, and he means for me to tell you all this.

[coben]

quote:Fear is the number one thing stopping our unity with God.

fear is a part of love.  fear is a part of God.  

you can see this in the public figures who
do not feel their fear
and cause so much damage

how can we unify with God if we cannot unify with ourselves, with what is close

with our own feelings.

It was Satan's message to split into two or more.  

To cast out portions of ourselves.

Beavis,
but they read those words in a book
but they were told those words by someone who sounded so sure
but they compared themselves to the words and found themselves wanting
every day

What are you trying to do?    If they listen to you they are going to have to take responsibility and make their own choices, trust their own intuition. Fulfill their potential.

You're going to mess everybody up.

And that scares me.  And I read that you have to choose between fear and love.  So I am not being loving now because I am scared.  I should just accept and go with the flow.  I am starting to hate my fear of what you are saying.  But hating isn't love either.

I know.  I'll transcend my reactions.  At least one of me is love.

And transcending out of fear of fearing is not hating because it's spelled differently.

Thank God.

[beavis]

What are you trying to do?    If they listen to you they are going to have to take responsibility and make their own choices, trust their own intuition. Fulfill their potential.

I wish more people would.

You're going to mess everybody up.

I dont see where that comes from.

[Reality]

Training your psychic potential isn't 'satanic'. Who created that silly word anyway?

[CaCoDeMoN]

I think that satanic or not, AP is a good thing, because i don't need to take any drugs to have a cool trip:)

[Moonburn33]

i don't think that it's any more satanic than practicing for the christmas play at church.  it's an objective, real, non supernatural thing and when you read up on it- you realize that.

[Reality]

quote:Originally posted by CaCoDeMoN

I think that satanic or not, AP is a good thing, because i don't need to take any drugs to have a cool trip:)

lmao...that's the spirit!

[WalkerInTheWoods]

You're going to mess everybody up.


Beavis brings up points that make people look outside their nice little box. This makes some people uncomfortable because it might bring down their box and they will have to rebuild. The cycle of life and death. Destroying old ideas and rebuilding on stronger foundations can be a chaotic experience but once tempered is a positive thing.


fear is a part of love. fear is a part of God.

Fear is a part of Ego's survival instinct. God is love, not fear, fear is not love.

[beavis]

I have no problem with causing a person's beliefs to be destroyed if they cant withstand my argument.

[James S]

Fear is an essential part of our emotional makeup. It brings balance to the equation, so it should never be ignored. It is not just the survival instinct of our ego, it is the survival mechanism of this flesh and blood vehicle we inhabit and need to look after while we're in the physical world.

Never supress any part of your emotional makeup. Accept all emotions for what they are, acknowledge them, then move on. It is all there for a valid purpose, including fear.

Without fear, the equation is out of balance, and we do stupid things. But to the other extreme - too much fear also puts the equation out of balance, and again, we do stupid things. Too much fear brings us to live in a cold dark and loveless place.

Regards,
James.

[jilola]

I'd go as far as to say that fear is only a survival mechanism of the biological vehicle.
The fact that we tend to define ourselves in terms of our flesh enables the fear reaction to be carried over to our spiritual lives.

2cents & L&L
Jouni

[WalkerInTheWoods]

I do agree that you should never suppress your emotions. That will only cause more problems. You must face them and work through them. In that sense fear is valid for personal growth. But I do not think that fear is important for decision making. We are intelligent beings so we can make choices based on reason rather than instinct or emotion.

quote:Without fear, the equation is out of balance, and we do stupid things.

I think that a lot of stupid things are done out of fear.

[SmileySpirit14]

hey everybody. one day i was about to AP and i got distracted so i had to stop cuz my friend came over. so i told that person about APing and TK and OBE and chakras, ect. that person didnt approve and told me something im afraid of.
'meditation is good to reflect on the good things in life and everything good. but using meditation for leaving the body you were put in and gaining supernatural powers is not what its meant for. satin is very tricky and can corrupt you when you dont even know. he can come in the form of the most beautiful thing: an angel, meditation,ect. but when you look at the beautiful thing , satin has changed it a tad bit and theres that tiny seed of corruption. in the bible god said meditation is good. never once was it mentioned that its good to AP during meditation. the AP is where satin has added that tiny seed of corruption without you knowing it. in the bible it says if you go to hell and look at satin you will say 'this is the worm that tricked us?'
well this is what has been told to me. it makes a lot of sense, but i dont want to take any chances...what do you think??