Satan decieves you

[WalkerInTheWoods]

Shouldn't this go in one of the religion sections? []

[James S]

Nah, astral chat's just fine. There's not enough substance in it to justify putting into the religios forums.

Satan decieves huh? Yep, his greatest deception is all the christian fundies who try to make you believe there's a being of ultimate evil that causes all your personal problems.

Must be nice though to have a scapegoat to pin things on all the time, so you don't have to take responsibility for your own actions.

Yeah, thought I'd just trow that one in. I'm in one of those moods. [}:)]

[WalkerInTheWoods]

Hehe I was just joking around. []

Oh well, I am sure her intentions are in the right place.

[jason]

wendi/allanon whoever-you preach and you preach,but all that comes out of your mouth is childish CRAP.

yes,I'm in one of those moods too-we've seen quite enough of this SH*T here at this forum(pardon my french[]).

you all claim to be all righteous and loving as 'good christians',then you turn around and stab everyone in the back,and judge everyone,and tell them yours is the only way.I'm sorry,but you really must be STUPID.




that being said,have a nice day[]

BTW-james S has a point.

and a question-if adam aand eve really existed,wouldn't their children/childrens childrens relations have to have sex w/eachother to continue the human race?

we would all be hunchback of notre dame if that were the case.

you know,nature has ways of dealing w/that...[]

If you really believe in your 'book' (which you rely on as a crutch and a cop-out so much that if you didn't have it,you would be LOST),I have a bridge to sell you...

[The AlphaOmega]

What's the old saying?  

"Satan's greatest trick was convincing the world he doesn't exist"

Sounds like deceit to me!

[Blissful]

quote:Originally posted by wendi

There is power in the blood of the Lamb.


SUPREMELEYSUBMITTEDALLANON.(Captain)

Supremely Submitted R.B.(No. 1)

HUH? What does this mean?  
What about the blood of a goat?

(chuckle).

Blissful

[James S]

Blood of the goat's the Freemason's version.

Usually sacrificed sometime before lunch....

....so if you ever go to a Masonic club for lunch, be aware that the hamburgers aren't beef. []

[Moonburn33]

there is a part in the bible that says that you have to preach to the unconverted as evidence that you're saved.

therefore preaching to people in such a canned format without really sitting down with them and talking about their problems is selfish.  all it does is push people away from the idea of christianity- and the evangelicals could care less because saving other people isn't what they really wanted anyway.

[volcomstone]

Im not really sure what this thread is about

But I've seen satans pictures

they're of tortured iraqi POW's



how long until the manifest destiny occurs?  The U.S modeled themselves after rome, but guess what?    ROME FELL

which begs to question, if a horrible act causes the collapse of ALL the world problems (I.E. the passing of america) than was it really the act of the devil?

If the actions and thoughts of those U.S soldiers where spawned by evil, than evil is stupid and self-destructive.  but If evil destroys itself, what happens to good?

which comes to the realization that evil will never conquer the world, its not even an option, and If you continually blame all your little problems ON satan, Or the devil or whatever, than thats just another scapegoat

which is why balance is key, and why I suscribe to taoism beliefs, backed up with a good old helping of "MODERN Christianity"


"THe DeVil MadE me  Do It"

[Avalon]

Hmmm, and I've always been more worried about how much I deceive myself.  Maybe you should do the same?

[Anonymous]

The Christians preach, people get really annoyed by it, and say something back... but it doesn't stop the Christians from preaching. Do the Christias consider the points made? What is the point to this annoying cycle?

[atalanta]

I would like to raise the issue of blanket statements.  This person has not said that they are Christian.  In all likelihood they probably are but the immediate reaction here is to attack Christianity as if it is opposed to many of the ideas of this site.

I consider myself to be a Christian but there is nothing here that does not fit in with my concept of what Christ was or what he advocated.  To me many of the arguments between human beings and religions have to do with the 'fight or flight' response.  We rarely act but always seem to react, we react out of fear or anger.  We never stop to consider the underlying message that person is bringing with them about themselves.  A person may appear to be angry when in reality they are terrified of being hurt.

Lets be generous, this person may have been brainwashed into believing that they must save us in order to save themselves.  Imagine their internal world where all they see is hell around them.  The terror they must live on a daily basis.  Imagine not being free enough to notice the beauty and love around them.  How horrific their internal world must be.

I would rather spend my time praying for this person then bringing them down even further by confirming their paranoia that we indeed are something to be feared because of our spiteful language.  Christians may be full of spite but then from what I have seen not being Christian, doesn't seem to make people any nicer either.

[Kodemaster]

quote:Originally posted by wendi

There is power in the blood of the Lamb.


SUPREMELEYSUBMITTEDALLANON.(Captain)

Supremely Submitted R.B.(No. 1)

I like to read the posts with the goofy religious titles to laugh at them. Looks like it got "modded" but I bet it was pretty funny

[clandestino]

wendi, your posts are rubbish.

[Anonymous]

I agree with your statements, atalanta. If I may add to them, I do not believe that insults are a very good way of expressing one's thoughts.

Clandestino, would you mind backing up your statement with some factual information? I'm not trying to be a smart-arse, but from the literature I have read, there is indeed power in the blood of the Lamb. I am not Christian myself, but there has been scientific evidence pointing to a correlation between healing and prayer. You can find this information in Matthew Stein's book, the title of which is "When Technology Fails." The statement is located in the low-tech healing section. This book falls under the nonfiction category in pretty much any book store.

Many people called John Cage's musical composition and ideas rubbish. However, he is in fact a legitimate composer, and his works are performed around the world quite regularly. He was an extraordinarily brilliant man, and has received more awards for his creativity than is possible to count. If you ever get a chance to go to the museum, be sure to visit the Rollywholyover exhibit. It is all about John Cage and his life. I realize this has very little to do with the topic at hand, but I am only trying to point out that one man's trash is another man's treasure. So Wendi's statement might be rubbish to Clandestino, for example, but a devout Christian might find the statement useful in some way.

I do not recall Wendi preaching to anyone. What if I were to say that being like water is the path of least resistance? This is a Zen-Buddhist concept, and I have seen people preach religions other than those based on the Bible.

It is my personal belief that the god of the Bible cannot be the real god, but then, it is said that the best trick Satan ever did was convince the world that he doesn't exist.[]

[clandestino]

Hi Enderwiggin, sorry, my emotions were getting the better of me...

But I can provide some factual references for you, and others to consider when reading posts from Wendi.

First, I want you to consider the story of "The emperor's clothes", and the message behind the story.

Using your example, John Cale was indeed a fine musician. Here's a few notes on one of his "songs"...

4'33" - John Cale

The ultimate in ironic statement, or just art for art's sake? No matter. The fact was that it was an experimental piece that no one had tried before, and yet it was there and worked. So why so controversial? Simple. The track in question was nothing of four minutes and thirty three seconds of recorded silence. Nothing else. Recently on BBC4 there was a concert with some of John Cale's pieces on, and they "played" this to finish. Of course, due to audience coughs etc it wasn't silence per se, but the thoughts of Cale were there in that it's very hard to get actual silence at any time.

Back to the point in question : I'm not the kind of person who will sit and watch Andy Warhol's "8 hours asleep" video and then think to myself, WOW....that guy really has something to say. Because he didn't - it was rubbish.

Similarly, I believe that wendi's post :

quote:There is power in the blood of the Lamb.


SUPREMELEYSUBMITTEDALLANON.(Captain)

Supremely Submitted R.B.(No. 1)

...is rubbish too. !

I'm sorry if this offends anyone, but that is the way I see it.....

Mark

[Empathic]

I believe there is a part in the bible...oh yes Matthew 7:1 " Judge not, that ye be not judged."....And that is my throw towards christians because they always judge others so ha you are not listening to you science fiction novel that you always believe in

[jilola]

There is. Only it doesn't really say what it appears to at first glance.

"Judge not, that ye be not judged." should be rendered in modern English as "Do not judge to avoid being judged."

It requires us to judge to uphold justice and reminds that being the judge of others doesn't exempt one from being judged.

2cents & L&L
Jouni

[Empathic]

ok well i was wrong whatever i dont care but someone answer me this...why do u people think your religion is the best and all others are wrong and santanic because thats what annoys me the most is when the go up to people and say what your doing is wrong and evil when it has nothing to do with evil.

[jilola]

If you're asking me I have to be a bit of a disappointment as I think all religions fail to see the truth, only parts of it. And all seem to come to the conclusion that that part is the whole and only truth.

People of various religions tend to be protective of their comfort zone
that they've found in the dogma and ritual of their chosen religion. It's simple territorial behaviour extended to the spiritual life.

Oh, and where did you get the idea you were wrong? I just interpreted from my point of view? [8D]

2cents & L&L
Jouni

PS: Edited typos.

[kiauma]

We are all protective of our comfort zone.  That is why we can be so defensive at what we perceive as offensiveness - as demonstrated in this thread - why we feel it is so offensive in the first place.

[WalkerInTheWoods]

quote:Originally posted by jilola

"Judge not, that ye be not judged."

quote:Originally posted by Empathic

Matthew 7:1 " Judge not, that ye be not judged

Maybe what this means is that by judging others you are really judging yourself. You are projecting your own insecurities onto others and trying to deal with them outwardly on other people. This causes many problems in that one you are not dealing with your own insecurities and two you are causing conflict with other people. So judging is not a very productive thing in which to invest your time and energy. When one stops judging they are no longer in conflict with everything they try to judge and thus find peace.

[jilola]

Fallnangel: Tut tut [8D] You quoted me selectively in a way that changed the meaning of my post. But since you used the quote to provide background for your interpretation of it I'll let it sllide... this time []
The originator of what you quoted is Empathic.

2cents & L&L
Jouni

[WalkerInTheWoods]

hehe I was not trying to change the meaning of your post, just give my interpretation. []

[Anonymous]

Clandestio, I appreciate your willingness to back up your facts. John Cage had a message to give the world, and I believe his message pertained, unwittingly perhaps, to metaphysical matters. Music is based on perception. What you perceive as music is music to you, but it may not be music to someone else. I do not believe that there can be a standard definition of music or art. What I call music may be very different from what someone else calls music.

His message also pertains to all areas of life. "Knowledge is based on perception, but truth can only be found in experience." -an old man

How you perceive the world is up to you. There is no right or wrong way to perceive the world.

The Bible is simply a mechanism of control. It didn't start out that way and was never meant to be, but it is. It has fallen into the wrong hands and has been changed and altered too many times. there is no way now to discern the truth from lie if you attend a Christian church. What the priest is really doing is telling you how to run your life, or at least giving suggestions that fit his own narrow-minded view. The only people who may know what the Bible is REALLY saying are probably living in caves and do not exist to today's societies and governments.

If you really want to know spirituality, you have to step outside the box and experience things from the other side. How can anyone truly understand what they oppose if they do not first experience it, or part of it. God, in the Bible, is NOT omniscient, omnipresent, or omnipotent. The evidence is within the Bible itself in various places and various chapters. I haven't memorized the entire Bible, but I have read it and analyzed it carefully. I have found nothing of value in there. Today a lot of Christian churches have taken to preaching about love and peace, but these things are not as common in the Bible as one would think. There is mostly killing and bloodshed because someone broke some insignificant rule, like wearing clothing made of two different kinds of fibers (see Leviticus). God's laws are really screwed up.

Even so, I have experienced miracles. Whether they were from the Christian god or not, I do not know, but the evidence does suggest it. A dwelling place burned to the ground, the only things left unscathed were areas of the wall where crosses hung, and a bible that sat atop a pile of ashes that was once a dresser.

My telepathic journey yesterday, with my kung fu teacher, showed me that as long as you admit to your wrongdoing, you will be forgiven. Lost souls are those who do not admit to their wrongs.