*Beginner*

[ZPE]

While I wouldn't Consider MySelf a "Beginner" I'm Definetly Not as Far Along as A Lot of People on This Forum.  However, I have been "Traveled" SomeWhere along the Lines of 30 Some Odd Times.

While you were Paralysed, You didn't have an OBE.  That was just the First Step to Getting Out!    You say You Managed to Move, and get out of it.  Well, thats Exactly What You Don't Do!    If you get into that state again, you must not let the fear get to you.  I know its hard, like I said I have been out quite a number of times, and even now, I still want to fight it.  You basically just have to let go, and let it take you over.  Then You can "Pop" out, and your Free to Fly!

While its Eazier Said then Done, Your Well On Your Way!

Cheers

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[alpha]

Hey welcome,Im sure you will like this place.http://www.astralpulse.com/forums/images/icon_Smile.gif" border=0>

What happened to you.It could have also been.You woke up from a dream a little bit too early.Your body didnt wake up yet.Just your mind.If it ever happens again.And you feel afraid or something.Try to move just a finger.Or a toe.Its alot easier than trying to move your whole body.

You will feel it eventually start moving.And than the rest of your body will go with it from there,slowly.You could go for an obe like zpe says.Just imagine yourself flying out.After you develop your body awareness it will be easier.

If you havent read the obe treatise on the main page.I recommend you read it.And start working on the skills if you havnt already.

                                                                                          take it easy,ALPHA

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[LapSiLap]

ZPE:
Yea, now I know I shouldn't have moved. Those scary "sounds" and the scary thing that sat beside me http://www.astralpulse.com/forums/images/icon_Smile_dead.gif" border=0> were just too scary. And I didn't even know anything about OBE then. Now when I've read about it I'm yearning to wake up in the middle of the night and find my self in that state, at the same time that I'm very afraid of that. But the curiousity wins and I've started practising

Aplha:
What you said is certainly right. I'm not so afraid of that now after reading about others OBE, how they get a whole new sight of the world and so on. It makes me very curious just like anyone else would be.

Now, some questions..
A) Are you far away from AP if you can get in trance consciously whenever you want? It seems very easy for you guys. Just think of it and fly out. Is it really that easy http://www.astralpulse.com/forums/images/icon_Smile.gif" border=0>?
B) Is it easier to get in trance when you're tired?

[jilola]

Here's my answers. Others may (and will http://www.astralpulse.com/forums/images/icon_Smile_big.gif" border=0> disagree)
a) Actually you're pretty close. But I'm buggered if I know what needs to be done to actually reach the goal. Consciously that is. Once you get into the trance you need to put your body to sleep while still staying mentally awake. After that it should be clear sailing. This is as far as I've gotten intentionally so something is missing or I'm doing something too much.
b) It's easier I''d say but you're likely to fall asleep and miss the fun part.

The process is easier for some and should get easier for the rest of us woth practise.

2cents

jouni

[ZPE]

quote:A) Are you far away from AP if you can get in trance consciously whenever you want? It seems very easy for you guys. Just think of it and fly out. Is it really that easy ?

No Your Not Far, if You can get into "trance" conciously whenever you want, then you shouldn't have any problems getting out at all.  I think for a lot of people its on this board its just that Eazy for them.  I however am not to the state yet where I can just sit down, and just say "Ok, I want to Astral Travel Now."  Hopefully with time I will.

quote:B) Is it easier to get in trance when you're tired?

This is actually a tricky question, I think.  I just posted something similar to this a day or two ago.  I've found that when I've only had a couple hours of sleep, or when I wake up in the middle of the night, do something to get the heart rate up (jog, run whatever) for a few minutes, then go back to sleep, its really eazy to fall into the Trance State then, and get the Vibrations, and leave the body.  Its tricky question though, because If I was really tired,  say very active day in the sun, swimming at the beach, etc, then went to sleep, I wouldn't have an Eazy time getting into the Trance State, cuz I would just fall asleep right away.  The whole thing is you just gotta barely be a bit alert, and awake, while your body falls asleep.  Tricky, but you'll get the hang of it!

Can you get into "trance" whenever you want?

Cheers

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[Tisha]

The "trick" (actually it is quite the challenge) once you reach sleep paralysis is something I call the "flop."   Just completely let go, surrender totally to the experience, with a prayer if you think it will help.  Allow no tension in your body or your head.  Empty your brain totally . . .  your mental gyrations will kill the experience.  Then, stay AWARE - - don't fall asleep!

That's why meditation is so important. Not that meditation will lead directly to an OBE, but that meditation teaches you the SKILLS you need to keep your wits about you when an OBE happens.   Many people meditate and get all frustrated when a meditation sesson doesn't end in and OBE.  Please know that it is not the POINT!   You are honing very important, critical skills, such as:

AWARENESS
SURRENDER
RELAXATION
CONTROL
BREATH

And the OBE  WILL happen . . . the question is, will you be awake for it!  Practice staying AWARE at all times.   It can be a kick, especially during the frenzy of the workday when everyone around you is a robot.  That's where I am now . . . hee hee!  Lunch break!

tish

[LapSiLap]

ZPE .. YES, it's very easy to get into trance Hehe just kidding.. It seems like I'm doing something imposible when I try go get into trance consciously =(
Waking up in the night and get the heart rate up and then sleep.. hmm.. I'll try it =)
I used to get into trance very easy before. but only after I've got into trance  once in that night. I just close my eyes and I'm there again! But I didn't know anything about obe then so I used to listen to music, then I can sleep normally again.

[Patty]

Hi Lapsilap,

I've had ... I don't know - a few dozen OBE's over the last four years. I'm of two minds about it.

Yes it is easy.

No it is not easy.

how's that?  

I'd have them every night if I could.

Usually one of two things will happen. I will either (1) have not tried in months, and out of the blue get the buzzy feeling like I could get out that night. I go to bed early, and get out.  Or (2) I will be doggedly trying every night (which is currently the case) and bat about 100 (1 success for every ten attempts.)

You might find that the quality of the experiences isn't what you expect. (Or that might just be me.)  Of the times I succeed, the clarity and length and control varies widely.

Weird thing is, I started OBE'ing to get away from the physical world. But I think what it has done is give me more appreciation for the physical world. I wish the astral realms were as easy to maneuver in!

I expect to be doing this for the rest of my life, and I anticipate learning to maneuver 'there' better.

good luck.

Patty

[alpha]

Practice  some of the mind tamers,Than work on your meditation.Everyday the more you do it.The easier it will become to hit those deep trances.

Right now I havnt  been meditating too much.And it shows my obes' are now alot further apart.Too much on my mind,this is whats getting in my way.By the time I get my mind to be  calm.I just want to sleep.http://www.astralpulse.com/forums/images/icon_Smile.gif" border=0>

So Im going to be taking a break one of these days.To concentrate on trance work.And energy stuff.Its hard for me to stay away from this place though.It usually only lasts a few days.http://www.astralpulse.com/forums/images/icon_Smile.gif" border=0>

Im going to try for one right now.We'll see how it goes.











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[LapSiLap]

Patty:
It seems like it's very hard to OBE after reading what you wrote
Have you ever thought about that leaving your body doesn't take you to a non-physical world, astral world or whatever you call that. I've read that a guy tried to proof that OBE is REAL so he put a random card in a box a night. He succeeded to project and he opened the box and memorized what card it was. It was the same card when he opened the box after returning to his body.

Alpha:
Thanks for the advice. Did you succeed having an AP then? What happened?

What do you guys think is the most difficult thing to AP? Getting into trance?? Projection technique?? Astral sounds/vision (Fear)... ?

[k2sixx]

My approach has been this:

Understand as much as possible and be ready for anything to take place.  Then, every single night, I relax myself as much as possible (I've discovered relaxation is 1/2 of the work in my case) and be aware of every breath.

Basically, if you have patience to do this long enough, you will get random sensations/visualizations.  That is my approach to the trance/mind-awake-body-asleep state.  I have only gotten past that state once.

I did this by waiting for the sensations and visulizations to kick in.  I used this as my cue.  My next step was to direct entire mental awareness beyond the bounds of my physical body.  I perceived the room as if I was 3 feet in front of myself (I was using a chair; if in a bed, make it 3 feet above yourself).  My consciousness temporarily shifted to that location, and I had a 360 degree vision of the room.  Within seconds I was back into my physical body with vibrations.

[Patty]

Hi Lapsilap,

Well, it depends on your expectations.

I had my first less than a week after starting to try. So actually, I wouldn't say that it is 'hard,' it just isn't 'on command' most nights for ME at any rate. but it isn't like unnattainable. Give it your best shot, just like everything else in life.

I do the card thing too! Fun stuff.

Patty

[alpha]

LapSiLap

Nope nothing,Had a nice deep sleep though.And when I woke up I meditaded some more.I got a few cool visions.One of an arm moving, looked like it wanted me to follow.A few weird sounds.Like someone else grunting.And what looked like very bright stars in eyelids.And also saw some very vague people.

So now im really wanting to find out whats waiting for me.Ill be away for a  few days or so.My mind I think gets tired from thinking so much.Time to give it a break.http://www.astralpulse.com/forums/images/icon_Smile.gif" border=0>

                                                                                 lots of luck to ya,ALPHA    




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[ZPE]

quote:What do you guys think is the most difficult thing to AP? Getting into trance?? Projection technique?? Astral sounds/vision (Fear)... ?

For me its getting to the DoorStep of AP.  That being the Paralyzed State/Trance State.  Once I'm in the State though, all you have to do is let go.  That leads into the 2nd hardest thing though.  That being letting go with that Intense Buzzing/Vibrating Feeling in your Head!  I still want to fight it sometimes, other times its not so intense, and Eazier.  But sometimes is soo Intense that I seriously think my Head is going to Explode (Eeeew).  I know that it won't but thats just what it feels like.

Guys, about the Card trick. Are you just using Regular Playing cards? WHere did you put them?  I'm very interested in this, and want to try it.  I'm thinking about just grabbing a regular playing card, and putting it in a simple spot in my bedroom, face down, never looking at it of course, and then the next time I AP, I will flip it over, and see what it is, then when I wake up I will look at it to see if it matches.

Cheers

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[Patty]

ZPE - I put a card out face up every night before bed.  I have my eyes closed when I do this. I have a lot of reality fluctuations though, so I have a hard time seeing the exact card when I'm out. It morphs from one card to another. So sometimes I use a standard deck, but most of the time I use just aces and face cards, I figure it's hard to confuse an ace with a face card.

I feel like I'm taking 'Reality fluctuations 101' right now. Like this is the hurdle I  have to get over; figuring out how to get things more stable --- before I move onto other levels. I hope to be able to nail a card from the full deck eventually. Frank's advice is to more tightly rein in my emotional load on the experiment. Maybe that will happen with time - as each trial gets under my belt maybe I won't feel so invested in it.

Anyway - your approach sounds good. Do you have trouble seeing when you're out? I put the card under a nightlight. You might want to make sure the card is a fair distance from your body.

Patty

[LapSiLap]

No more questions now http://www.astralpulse.com/forums/images/icon_Smile_cool.gif" border=0>.
Just want to say thanks to all people who told me so much and gave me advice. I actually didn't expect to have so many answer... but you guys who do AP are really nice http://www.astralpulse.com/forums/images/icon_Smile_tongue.gif" border=0>. I'll keep on trying my best.

Never give up =)
//LapSiLap

[LapSiLap]

Hi!
I'm 17 and have never heard of Astral Projection since some days ago when I found a page about all this and became very intrested at once.

About 1 year ago, I just woke up in the night and couldn't move. I tried to calm down to think of what was happening but when I started hearing weird sounds I coulnd't stay calm andmore and struggled to move (succeeded).
Was I in trance and about to have OBE? Someone told me that you ARE having OBE if you can't move?
I did also "feel" that someone was sitting beside my bed talking (to me?).
I get very afraid when I think of this while practising astarlprojection. But my curiousity tells me to keep on trying so.. http://www.astralpulse.com/forums/images/icon_Smile.gif" border=0>

Any beginners who are also practising and want to talk to me and share own experiences?