Astral Sex Guide by BIRM

[atalanta]

Just don't visit my place, its a mess!

I haven't tried that but I have had flying dreams and there is something that you have said which struck a cord.  I have also noticed that during my flying dreams if I realise that I am flying, I seem to float back down.

Interesting.

[Birm]

Flying is just another method of travelling through the astral environment. As Robert Bruce suggest you can just concentrate some place and appear there. Or turn around yourself and find yourself wherever you want to be. There are such methods. Refer to Treatise on OBE or Astral Dynamics.

But i think i can explain your floating back down.
1. You dont believe that you can fly.
2. You dont have enough concentration.
3. You dont have enough energy.
4. You dont really want to fly, you are just giving it a try.

Because everyone can fly in the astral. As you dont have such weight there...
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[Eol007]

Hi Brim,

Thank you for sharing your experiences. What puzzles me is that there seems to be a gaping void here in what you relate - it feels rather dry and tacit!.

You speak of passion, an energetic experience had in the moment,  and I agree that it is vital for ones health on many levels to feel pleased in ones self by having intimate exchange with other beings!

Yet, and please do not take this as moralistic judgement as I am would like to think of myself as a passionate human being as much as any other: -

Would you consider if not already done so a modification to your experiments – and instead of seeking release why not offer and exchange real love. Simply look into the eyes of the ones you meet in the astral. This exchange of dristi (gaze) you will find more profound, healing, forgiving, sharing and enlightening in your search for oneness than any astral sex experience. You will find the same in physical life also and it is transformational! It is all there for you for the having!

Again sorry if I appear to be preaching!

Kind wishes,



Stephen []

[Birm]

Hi EOL007,

I totally agree with your ideas and thoughts but this topic was meant to talk about astral sex and not love. Astral sex is a very interesting topic and everyone talks about it but when it comes to discuss the details, everyone generally starts talking about ethics. I have the courage to talk about these things because sex is a natural instict of the human being.

And love... Thats another story...

Very best,
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[galacticsurfer]

I have been working a lot on remebering my dreams and on the sexual as well as power/violence stuff. I find a greater ability to attack and kill(not in lucid dream yet thank God)  and also to  engage in sexual activity through my dream recall and lucid dreaming.

Last night I had a couple of sexual dreams. One was quite straightforward/porno satisfying simple instincts and the one I had later in the night was much more subtle where I was helping a woman find something and slowly we came physically closer in our search and it became "uncomfortable" then finally looked each other in the eyes before I woke up.

I am interested as to what I would have done in either dream if I had managed to become Lucid. It all depends on mood of the moment I suppose.

If the other person with whom we have contact (let us say another person dreaming too) this will have some karmic effect on them? I mean for example if I cheat on my wife in my dreams with real women but as they do not remember it as only I am lucid are there still moral consequences? Are not dreams still a sort of reality? This is not being jugemental or moralistic as karma is like physics. action and reaction is inevitable. Maybe this is how people subconsciously try out future partners in dreams before they acutally get involved with anyone in particular.

[Eol007]

quote:Originally posted by Birm

Hi EOL007,

I totally agree with your ideas and thoughts but this topic was meant to talk about astral sex and not love. Astral sex is a very interesting topic and everyone talks about it but when it comes to discuss the details, everyone generally starts talking about ethics. I have the courage to talk about these things because sex is a natural instict of the human being.

And love... Thats another story...

Very best,
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With sincere respect it's ALL about LOVE!!! Without meaning to sound cruel do you really believe that you are appearing to your astral lovers in the from in which you visualise yourself.

It is fair to them?
Are you acting with compassion?
Do they see you as a monster?
Have you really thought about this beyond the self and are you being true to yourself?

I would only ask the same of myself... For instance I have felt at times the process from the other side of the tracks - with apparant female lovers and it can occasion not be a comfortable experience in the other shoes to be honest!

Kind wishes,



Stephen

P.S. Brim, Points taken and valued. Just wanted to see in which direction you were shining the light on... cheers.

[Birm]

First of all I AM NOT CHEATING ON ANYONE.

But a few months before i was engaged and i had a sexual lucid dream one night. I felt real uncomfortable and ashamed with my self.

But at the moment i have sexual desires and i am really not ready for a new relationship. I want to listen to my self for a few months. I need to be alone... But my physical body has desires and having Astral Sex with an Astral Creature can do no harm to anyone i believe. It is like watching an erotic movie or porn. Who can blame me by doing this?

This topic is meant to help the ones that want to have Astral Sex.

I didnt mean to start up an ethical discussion right here.

Very best,
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[Birm]

Hi galacticsurfer,

If you read the article about Astral Sex that Robert Bruce wrote you can learn the difference between who a dreaming person is and who an astral creature is.

I am talking about letting your subconcious or astral body to create an imaginary environment, an imaginary partner and having an imaginary sexual experience.

Is that clear?
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[galacticsurfer]

Birm,
Of course sex and love and morals can`t be taken apart very easily and I am as lusty as the next fellow so I liked how you gave good advice about just being there and experiencing astral sex. this is good advice which I am really just learning myself even in my marriage in the physical world. Obviously practicing this in the astral plane can only deepen my consciousness of reality and my love life even more.

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There are things you should be aware of:
- While having astral sex dont try to feel your physical body. That way the projection will suddenly end and you wake in the real world.

- While having astral sex try to feel the environment, the smell, the sounds and the feel of your partners body. Dont try to visualize anything, let your astral body create the environment for you. Trust your astral body, you will have the sex of your life!!!

- If you come, dont panic. Your physical body may or may not have come. If you panic you will suddenly awake in your bed.

- Dont rush. Let it be slowly. It always takes longer... I always feel high pressure around my whole body as i come. Wait for that pressure... It is a very different feeling from the real sex believe me. So just let it go with the flow...

- Sometimes a second partner appears suddenly but it is always a bad idea to change your partner. You will break your concentration by doing that...

- The smell of your partner is very important. Try to smell! It is a great feeling...

- You will feel exhausted after coming in your Astral body. But you will be suprised that when you wake up, your physical body will be refreshed. And full of energy.

- Dont try to have control over the experience. All you have to do is trying to feel the environment as much as you can. This is very important or you will wake in your bed...

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AS I am just getting used to manipulating environment and being lucid in dream/astral environment  I recognize how important learning to manipulate control/feel all of the various senses is while lucid in dreams and that this is always a stepping stone to a higher level of awareness and control over the astral environment, which in turn helps us have better control/self confidence over the phyiscal/ordinary waking state.

[upstream]

Please, no moralising. I'm tired to that yack-yack. Ethics you are used to talking about is a human construct. Real ethics is comes from inside and can't be taught.

Roundabout reasoning about ethics with people who can't be judged by their actions only by their words is simply waste of time.

>>> upstream



We are not pedophile, Satyananda, just impatient.

[galacticsurfer]

Birm,

I read it before but I just reread it and here is the corresponnding quote:

"Apart from other living projectors, many of the characters encountered during astral projections do not appear to be real; although some are what could be called native inhabitants of astral realms. Also, as I mentioned earlier, most of the characters encountered during lucid dreams do not appear to be real. Many seem to be something like created shells, whose sole purpose is to form a temporary part of the scenery.

It is possible to have sex with a created or unreal character, although the genital contact sensations resulting from this type of sexual encounter are greatly reduced; seemingly more distant than sex with other projectors. The sensations of sex, in this case, appear to be provided by the subconscious mind of the projector/dreamer; probably based on memories of past real-life sexual encounters. The erotic mental imagery and sexual sensations are, however, just as real to the physical/etheric body and energetic feedback will still occur, albeit less strongly and in a kind of solo sexual energy feedback loop.

In my experience, other people encountered during real-time OBE's are usually other living projectors. However, this does not hold true once a projector shifts out of the real-time zone and into the lower astral; which will often happen unnoticed. There is one main way to tell real projectors and sentient astral beings from unreal created characters. Real and unreal beings behave and react quite differently to interference, including sexual advances. An unreal character will simply stand there and let anything be done to them, be it sex or murder. They will not resist or complain in the slightest, no matter what is done to them. However, real astral beings and other projectors, even unaware sleep projectors, will be found to object, resist, fight, verbally abuse and even attack interfering projectors; although they will usually just leave the area. "
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I think I need a lot more experience in these areas to be able to sort out what is really going on and only afterwards can I say what sort of being I was dealing with or maybe just with my subconscious wishes.

[Birm]

Galacticsurfer,

I didnt wanted to quote Robert's article because as a whole it is a good article to read.

I suggest everyone to have a look at it...

Good luck on your travels []
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[shaman]

There is no physical and no sex in the astral, it is all in your mind (or in your head if you like), it is completely similar to having erotic dreams, you can wake up and find out that your physical body responded to it.

Anyhow, I prefer having "physical sex" rather than "astral sex". I prefer experiencing friendship and love in the physical with real people which I know I can meet everyday, rather than someone who would pop out of nowhere in the astral.

When I was younger I often had erotic dreams that I had sex with my sister(s) (one at a time). But these were related to my physical body as I would wake up to find out that "I'm all wet"... Any how, it is an interesting interaction of the mind body. A proof that sex has very much to do with the mind and with how we "see" and percept things and other people.

All this reminds me of a post about lucid dreaming (on astralpulse) and this guy who was voluntarily having sex during AP but he also voluntarily would experience killing people in the astral.... kind of weird and freaky! Eventually he stopped doing that. Forgot his username.

[Nay]

Interesting, that for the past couple of mornings I have found myself in areas that had several people milling about looking for a good time. []

I also found it interesting that I could feel which ones had more intense sexual urges than the rest. Some seemed to be there just checking things out, as I was, with no sexual feelings at all. Then there were a few whom just wanted a quick kiss..[] I gave a quick kiss to one fellow, and found it very sweet and then went on my way.

Thanks for the thread, Birm. [^]

Nay

[Dream Cadet]

Birm,

Thank you for posting your experiences on sex in the astral.  I am interested in this topic from the "mechanical" standpoint and your information has been very helpful.  I have read many posts on this and they seem to be influenced by ethical/moral impressions and I totally understand that.  However, I have yet to experience this phenomena and when I do, I would like to have some understanding so I can determine on my own which direction to take.

In summary, I see it like this: There have been many helpful hints on this board related to topics such as flying during OBE, getting stuck in the physical body, how to deal with negs and many other topics.  This is just another helpful hint on how to navigate through the experience when it occurs and I applaud you once again for posting.

Maybe someone can start a topic about the ethics/morality and leave this topic to the mechanics of it.  What do you think?[]

D.C.

[nitetravler]

Hey Birm,

thanks for sharing your experiences.

Many of the writers (Monroe, Buhlman, Taylor) speak of astral sex as an exchange of energy. If that's so then perhaps on an energetic level the polarity between men and women are equalized or exchanged so that men take in the feminine (yin) energy, and women take in the masculine (yang) energy, causing a polarity balance between the participants. I've heard that this experience is very blissful. While Buhlman spoke of the great joy and ecstasy he felt during these encounters I can't say I've had the mind-blowing astral sex that he had. (darn it!!!) [!]

[ralphm]

birm, thanks for sharing your experiences.
There seems to be different levels of the astral sex experience- the writhing piles described by robert monroe, genital level experiences and the experience of onneness  with another soul.
Maybe there is some of each in every experience, and the more the oneness the more satisfying the experience?

[thelou]

Thanks for sharing Brim, it is nice to see you back again.  Had begun to wonder if you went to AP island and stayed there.[]

Lets address this issue of morality and ethics once and for all.  EVERY race on the planet, EVERY religious doctrine, has DIFFERENT beliefs.  Even different states in our own country have DIFFERENT beliefs.  Different states in other countries have DIFFERENT beliefs.  There are DIFFERENT beliefs between the sexes.  Heck there are even DIFFERENT beliefs among the people of YOUR own family.  To make this as plain and simple as possible EVERYBODY BELIEVES DIFFERENT THINGS!!!

If one person thinks casual sex is right for them then it is.  If someone else thinks it is wrong, then they just simply do not have to do it.  One person is no more right or wrong than the other.  It is all what you believe in your own heart.

I did not hear Brim saying that the other partner was complaining so there fore NOBODY has the right to judge for him what was right or wrong.  In fact he even stated that the first lady was not interested so he kept looking until he found one that was.

Therefore if two people (oh by the way they are called consenting adults) want to have sex it is nobody elsies business.  It happens in the bars and night clubs EVERY SINGLE NIGHT.

Hello people read your Bible, God says that it is not for man to judge others, that is his job.

I am sorry if this offends some people, that is not my intent.  But just as I have the right to believe this, others have the right to disagree.

quote:Roundabout reasoning about ethics with people who can't be judged by their actions only by their words is simply waste of time.

>>> upstream

You go upstream!

Shaman posted

quote:There is no physical and no sex in the astral, it is all in your mind (or in your head if you like), it is completely similar to having erotic dreams, you can wake up and find out that your physical body responded to it.

I am not trying to argue, but I have a question.  A former girlfriend and I used to get to gether at night, when we had to be hundreds of miles away and have shared dreams, where we commonly had sex in them.  Discussion the next day on the phone verified details down to the minute.  What is your take on that?

Thanks,

thelou,

P.S., nay, would you like to tell your secret gathering place is?  It would be worth flying to a different state, just for a peck on the cheek from the forum goddess.[]

[Huwie]

quote:Originally posted by ralphm

birm, thanks for sharing your experiences.
There seems to be different levels of the astral sex experience- the writhing piles described by robert monroe, genital level experiences and the experience of onneness  with another soul.
Maybe there is some of each in every experience, and the more the oneness the more satisfying the experience?

The Human sex pile that Monroe wrote about has little to do with astral sex.  It's a belief system, one that is inhabited by people who apparently were - whilst still alive in physical form - very preoccupied with sex.

The more I consider that, the more I'm tempted to throw away all my porn...

[thelou]

quote:The more I consider that, the more I'm tempted to throw away all my porn...

Dude, don't throw away all your porn!!!

Sell it on ebay!!

I made over six hundred bucks with some old vintage stuff from back in the day.

Thelou

[Birm]

quote:Originally posted by Dream Cadet
Maybe someone can start a topic about the ethics/morality and leave this topic to the mechanics of it.  What do you think?[]

D.C.

Hi Dream Cadet,

I totally agree with you. And If someone wants to judge me on opening such a thread then one should judge Robert Bruce for that Astral Sex article too...

Very Best,
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[Birm]

quote:Originally posted by nitetravler

Hey Birm,

thanks for sharing your experiences.

Many of the writers (Monroe, Buhlman, Taylor) speak of astral sex as an exchange of energy. If that's so then perhaps on an energetic level the polarity between men and women are equalized or exchanged so that men take in the feminine (yin) energy, and women take in the masculine (yang) energy, causing a polarity balance between the participants. I've heard that this experience is very blissful. While Buhlman spoke of the great joy and ecstasy he felt during these encounters I can't say I've had the mind-blowing astral sex that he had. (darn it!!!) [!]

Hi nitetravler,

Why dont you try it for yourself... I can understand what Buhlman might be talking about because i felt the same way too.

But there are things you cant just describe you have to live them in order to understand...

One more thing: It doesnt always feel the same... That also happens in real sex too...
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[Birm]

quote:Originally posted by ralphm

birm, thanks for sharing your experiences.
There seems to be different levels of the astral sex experience- the writhing piles described by robert monroe, genital level experiences and the experience of onneness  with another soul.
Maybe there is some of each in every experience, and the more the oneness the more satisfying the experience?

Hi ralphm,

I havent read robert monroe much so i can not have any comment on it. But the experience i had also minor differences than what Robert Bruce describes... I dont have enough knowledge or experience to discuss why it is more or less satisfying but I relate the joy you have with the personal desires and wills...

The experience is created by your own subconcious or Astral counterpart, so i believe it will create the best experience for you...

Very Best,
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[Birm]

One more thing:

Before judging the thread take in account that this topic had 20 replies and 300 page views in less than 24 hours...

So, I suggest you to let the people talk. Everybody has something about it in their minds but they remain silent because they believe it is something unethical... The interest shown to this topic reveals the need of information on the subject i believe...

Very Best,
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[Gwathren]

quote:Originally posted by Birm
The interest shown to this topic reveals the need of information on the subject i believe...

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NO, sorry.
Actually it's just that in our world the best selling thing is: SEX
That's  just the way it is. Nothing more. It's our world and we are all humans!

However, don't get me wrong. I support you totally. THis topic is a good one. Haven't tried the thing myself, but who knows, maybe someday. By the way I read Schopenhauer, the philosopher, recently. He's really interesting. His thoughts on humans, love and sex. He thought that after all, the very meaning of life is to find an ideal partner(ideal for us, because we want to reproduce his/hers  good qualities – see them in our children) and reproduce humans. It's not idiotic. Yes, there's love too. WE can't say, it's all about sex. I guess it might be said that love is a way how nature decides which humans will survive(you can't explain really how you fall in love, can you?)...

OK, that's a bit off the topic, but the point is that the topic is [^](that means appropriate) and astral sex sure is fascinating.

All the best,

Gwathren