MindSplit

[SpectralDragon]

Ahh yes, this reminds me of the days when I thought I was turning into a nut case. Talking to spirits, and then seeing myself yes I am a very bad christian[]

Well I haven't had quite the same kind of experience as that though, but I can see my physical body sometimes when projecting. it doesn't hurt like it does when robert does it but it still feels quite odd in more ways than simply the mental.

Now yours is intersting, being able to talk to different aspects of yourself. You should try to talk to your "subconscious" self more so that you can see the differences between him and your "conscious" self.

[wisp]

Birm,
I like the experience you described.When I hear a voice on occasion,I've wondered if it was my voice speaking at times.

I remember reading something of yours, a while back.The triangle method or something like that. I tried it, it was powerful.If you care to, could you describe your technique again? I don't have much luck searching for past posts.

I've read a little about mind split. I'll read more later of the link you posted. Body double seems closer to describe my experience. Anyway, my first realization of body double was a few years ago. I had a few repeating dreams of getting out of bed and leaving by the front door. I made a specific clomping sound with my shoes  while walking out the front door. My age was that of a child.This child character is associated with the few oobes I have had. I would be wakened by taps on the window where I slept. It took a few times for me to associate my dream to the fact this dream character was the one tapping the window. Once I awoke to the taps, and knew who it was, it didn't happen again. This double is teaching or showing me something.

My ex husband, a number of years ago had a double body experience involving me. After we had split ([]), he moved to Florida. He had a court case pending at the time. Some gal had a bogus claim of injury after a minor traffic accident. I forget the details of his description of the accident(as I recall, he was set up,and innocent). A few years later when I saw my ex again, he made a point to thank me for my support while his court case dragged out over years. He eventually won the case,btw.He went on to tell how I was at every court session. His lawyer knew me from the beginning of the ordeal. The lawyer told him all this over the phone. The lawyer apparently was mystified once, because I was present for an unexpected, and last minute hearing (or something). He told my ex (over the phone) that I had no way of knowing of it, yet...I was at that one too. The lawyer claimed to know exactly what I looked like. My ex said the lawyer could describe me accurately. I never had the heart to tell my ex I hadn't gone to any of these court things. I do wonder who this person is or was?

[Nick]

Originally posted by Wisp

quote:I remember reading something of yours, a while back.The triangle method or something like that. I tried it, it was powerful.If you care to, could you describe your technique again? I don't have much luck searching for past posts.

The Triangle Method by Birm can be found in our Welcome to Permanent Astral Topics forum. The threads in that forum have all been made a "sticky" topic, so that they can be referred to more easily.

Also, I have moved this discussion from the astral chat forum to that of obe discussions, as I believe it may be better suited to that forum. Birm, if you disagree, please pm me and we'll see what we can work out.

Very best,

[Birm]

Hi Nick,
I think you gave a right decision to move the topic. Thanks for that.

Hi wisp,
Your experience is very interesting. I am also having similar experiences all my life. Thats why i am here searching for an answer to all of those anyway...

About Triangle method, as Nick said you can find all about it on the Permanent Astral Topics forum... I you have any further questions about it. I can answer for sure...

Best Regards,
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[BOATS]

I have not experienced anything exactly like that but in the last few days I have been waking up from what I felt was a lucid dream and can not remember what occurred.  It is really odd.  I wake as if an important conversation just ended and my memory of it is blank.  It's like the memory does not get downloaded to my physical brain.  This has had me wondering on and off about the mind split.  Another thing that makes we wonder about the validity of the mind split is when I just become aware in the RTZ with no memory of exit at all.  I have done this twice. Not even a memory of the return to physical after I issue the command wake up. I just find myself back in bed.

[Birm]

About memory download:

I have experienced this a lot of times... When i get up or return to physical i suddenly forget the memories of the experience i had. But then one day i realized that The Dream ME remembers the recent dreams exactly... So i went into a deep meditation with Bwgen using deep mind VI preset, after 20 minutes i focused on my dream self... And i remembered my dreams exactly... This is just a great method to download the memories of your Astral self...


Just give it a try and tell me if it works for you too... So maybe we can post this as a sticky named remembering the experiences method.
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[upstream]

It sounds like a great idea !!

I have to try it for myself. Can it help for remembering regular dreams too? What about the other members of the series?

thanks

>>> usptream

[Birm]

Yes it helps remembering regular dreams, and when you remember you get suprised how familiar the dream memories are... Just give it a try and tell me the results...
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[Dream Cadet]

Hi All,

I have experienced the mind split effect as a vague recall of vibrations a couple of times lately.  It seems to me that I am not bringing back my projection memories properly resulting in a vague memory of the exit.

I am curently working through a slump. I believe that I am still having OBEs but I am missing the exit or the download of the experience.  This may be due to the exit not being as strong to me as it used to be.  Who knows[]

One thing about recalling dreams.  I have found that I can recall dreams if I relax and start "brushing" my toes and feet according to Robert Bruce's NEW technique as soon as I wake up.  After a couple of minutes of brushing, a memory scene just pops into my mind.  If you use the NEW energy technique, give it a try for a couple of mornings for a few minutes and see how it works.

D.C.

[Birm]

quote:Originally posted by Dream Cadet

One thing about recalling dreams.  I have found that I can recall dreams if I relax and start "brushing" my toes and feet according to Robert Bruce's NEW technique as soon as I wake up.  After a couple of minutes of brushing, a memory scene just pops into my mind.  If you use the NEW energy technique, give it a try for a couple of mornings for a few minutes and see how it works.

D.C.

Hi Dream Cadet,

This was exactly what i am talking about... By doing that you move your conciousness into your astral counterpart and while you are close to the physical, both of your bodies share the same thought at that moment. If you think through your dream memories at that point, your physical body records them as memories.

This is what Robert Bruce calls Memory Downloading.

Robert also suggests to download astral bodies memories into physical body time to time on long journeys in the astral. That way you can remember a loooong journey and tell others about it...

Very best,
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[Dream Cadet]

Birm,

quote:
This was exactly what i am talking about... By doing that you move your conciousness into your astral counterpart and while you are close to the physical, both of your bodies share the same thought at that moment. If you think through your dream memories at that point, your physical body records them as memories.

Wow, I never really thought of it as being that.  I discovered it by accident after I woke up and decided to do some energy work.  I am going to treat it as you stated above and see if I can improve my shadow memory.

D.C.

 
D.C.

[Birm]

I am glad to be helpful. Please inform us about the results.

Very Best,
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[BOATS]

I am always learning something new and interesting here.  Thanks.  I know today I awoke and for about 10 seconds could remember traveling about various locations in the world by going to the stratasphere and returning.  Then the memory quickly faded.  I am going to start doing the energy work from now on directly after awaking.

[Dream Cadet]

BOATS,


Here is what happened to me this morning using the "NEW" brushing technique for memory recall:

I awoke and knew something had happened but I couldn't remember exactly what.  I started "brushing" my toes.  In about 2 minutes a memory popped in my head.  I was on a waterslide in a water park.  One of those long ones that you go very fast and drop almost straight down. When I pushed off and started down the slide, I started going very fast and recognized what was happening.  This was exactly the same feeling I get when I experience the "passing through a tunnel" feeling during exit. I wasn't able to bring back the complete experience but I am positive that I was experiencing the exit.  

This method works for me in getting a foothold on the experience.  I keep "feeling" for the rest of the experience by trying to remember it throughout the day.  Often, I can recall most of the experience.  

Hope this helps,

D.C.

[galacticsurfer]

I have also had a bit of a slump lately in intensity and frequency of lucid dreams. This morning however I experienced somewhat of a mind split. I had recently not been doing much energy work as I sort of overdid it before but this morning I could not sleep so I purposely worked up a lot of energy in my whole energy body. I then concentrated and relaxed myself completely and started with letting lots of random visual images go across my visual field until it turned into a dream where I was still aware. I could feel my whole body as the energy tingles around the whole thing but I was also conscious inside the dream separately but I could not manage to get into my body to "jump out" into OBE as I had read suggested in another thread. I think that for the projection and control of lucid dreams and OBEs a lot of active energy is really critical. There is a lot of talk about not being able to control OBE or get into it and what is the most critical factor. Obviously energy is a critical factor to project(like a movie projector having to be plugged in before it will work). Additionally I was more hungry for the experience today and angry at myself for not making any progress. This makes for an ideal combination to get any real results. The more I leave it all up to chance("if I happen to be aware in a dream then maybe I will get lucid and then maybe I can OBE" type of attitude) the less experiences I think will have in the end.

Regarding dream recall, for example I remember a whole dream and review it in my head then when I turn over too quickly to write it down, it is gone. This of course is not very nice. I think sudden jerky movements change brain waves and should be avoided before writing down/downloading a dream properly. A common technique in meditation is when you get into a certain state of mind(brain waves) to carry this state of mind into your daily life by moving very slowly as you get up from the meditation and getting used to moving normally without losing this state of mind in your normal daily activities.

[Dream Cadet]

To those interested,

Once again this morning I awoke and used the brushing technique to see if I could remember anything.  Nothing was coming to mind in the way of dreams so I thought I would just see what popped up.  After a minute or two I remembered a short snippet of having trouble trying to open my eyes.  It was the same feeling I get when I'm trying to get out of my body.  I never just float out.  I normally get heavy vibrations. At that point I try to wrestle free of my body and then I feel like I'm "shot out of a cannon" as someone here has described it previously.

Once again this leads me in the direction of missing the exit or download.  The things that seem to be missing for me right now are the vibrations, the feeling that someone was in the room with me right before exit and the fear during exit.  It's almost like the exit is so subtle that I don't notice.[]

Oh well, I know I'm getting closer and I'll be back on track soon. []

D.C.

[Birm]

Hi there,

Has anyone tried to investigate the mindsplit effect?

It is usually described as seeing your physical body while in the astral or vice versa... But this morning i had an interesting experience. I was asleep and i was in a dream. It was the time to go to work and i knew i had to wake up. But i was in the dream and i thought to myself, "the dream is cool"... Then suddenly the ME in the dream turned and replied: "Yes it is cool in here!" I was suprised because i wasnt in Real Time Zone and i felt like watching myself on the T.V. The dreaming mind feeling was there (You know that feeling, things just happen and you only watch, you cannot control even yourself in the dream.)

Then i remembered Robert Bruce's article about the mindsplit effect.(http://www.astralpulse.com/articles/robert/articles_9.htm)

As Robert described it there was me in the dream and i decided to talk to him.
(I am translating these from Turkish to English)

I said "Hello ME!"
He said "Yeah, hi there..."
I said "So what are you doing down there?"
He said "Well you know the dreams..."
I was suprised to hear such response because i wasnt expecting an answer like that... You know the feeling when you talk to yourself; you answer yourself understanding every aspect of the question.
So i said: "Tomorrow i will but a new mouse, remember me about that."
And he said: "Ah that will be a good thing, we really need a new mouse..."

Suddenly i realized that when he talks i could hear his voice clearly in my ears. I found that interesting because i wasnt hearing my own voice, but i could hear the other ME clearly.

I wonder if any of you had ever tried this... If you did so, please share your experience...

Very best,
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