My very first OBE!!

[jilola]

Way to go!!!
I'm not sure what it should be classified as but it was certaintly an extremely cool experience.

quote:1.There was no pain in my back, and there usually is no pain when I have a lucid dream projection.

How's that? Perhaps during an LD and an OBE you forget the physical sensations and thus experience no backpain? Do you have a bad back?

quote:2.Robert Bruce mentioned in his book that newcomers to OBE have a hard time with moving around the real-time zone. I didn't have that kind of problem.

Riding a bike downhill on the first attempt is easy. It's when you try to excert control that things may get a bit wobbly.These things are extremely subjective and individual. Don't be surprised though, if at some point in the future you have trouble. The first time is often the easiest as we aren't completely in control yet.

quote:3.At first everything DID look exactly like reality, but then I got into a desert, and into that cove... That doesn't seem to be real-time zone, nor the astral dimension (from what I know about astral dimension).

The astral dimension can be anything you wish and want. If it feels like reality, smells like reality, quacks like reality then it could be astral []

Whatever it was enjoy the memory and have another go [8D]

2cents & L&L
Jouni

[nrishiraj]

That is amazing, well done.

I myself are new to all this and hopefully one day I can experience the same.

Narinder

[Rakon]

quote:Originally posted by jilola
How's that? Perhaps during an LD and an OBE you forget the physical sensations and thus experience no backpain? Do you have a bad back?

I used to have a terrible back because of my flat feet(i don't know if that's the correct expression). But now it's OK and my back is normal. My back NEVER hurts except when I have sensations. I do back massages with awareness hands but it doesn't seem to help. I would really appreciate it if someone told me what to do. Today I had vibrations in the morning again. But my back did hurt. I think it has something to do with my position. Yesterday, I was lying on my side and today I was on my stomach.

Anyhow, thank you for your support people!

[AntiGravity]

Wow, very cool experience! Way to go Rakon!
Wow, 6 months!? Man, thats pretty long. But it was worth it wasnt it []. I would love to hear what technique youve been using, and maybe a few pointers, I have yet to have my first experience.
Again, congrats on your experience!
Take care!

[jilola]

quote:Today I had vibrations in the morning again. But my back did hurt. I think it has something to do with my position

It's possible you tense your back muscles without realizing it and that causes the pain. Experiment with your position, try to locate the tenseness and learn to relaz it before it gets too strong.

2cents & L&L
jouni

[Rakon]

quote:Originally posted by AntiGravity

Wow, very cool experience! Way to go Rakon!
Wow, 6 months!? Man, thats pretty long. But it was worth it wasnt it []. I would love to hear what technique youve been using, and maybe a few pointers, I have yet to have my first experience.
Again, congrats on your experience!
Take care!

Thanks!
I used no technique that morning, because it was a spontaneous projection. But other times I use quite a different technique than other people. Rope or any other tech I tried didn't work for me as good as my own tech.
First I do some energy work:
1.I stimulate my arms and legs with NEW system.
2.I stimulate my primary energy centers.
3.I do a full body circuit.
This all takes about 10-15 min.

By then my body gets pretty relaxed so I don't have to use any relaxation techniques.

Next:
4. I fall into trance with the falling technique

And then I wait, keeping my mind clear, until the vibrations start. I don't have to wait longer than 1-2 min.

When they start, I do something that may sound silly: I pressure my eyes - that's my exit technique.

I don't quite know how to describe it, but I know anyone can do it anytime. I just close my eye lids and do something with my eyes that causes light vibrations in my ears.

If I do it fully relaxed, it triggers a projection.
Of course, I don't project because pain in my back grows stronger, but I know I'm doing the right thing.

Try it!


And jilola, thank for your advice. I'll try to do it!

[AntiGravity]

Hey Rakon!
Thanks for replying, I might want to try that sometime. Though, since I dont fully understand what you mean by "pressure your eyes", I might just use ROPE or something. About your pain in your back, Im not sure if I can help you there. I think I did have flat feet from wearing certain shoes, but when I got new ones with an arch, my feet and lower back stopped hurting. This was before I ever heard or Astral Projection, so I dont know the effect the vibrations would have on that. Um, my next bet would be some yoga exercises, a bit painful at first (Im not very flexable []), but they do make me feel a bit better after a while. But use your judgement, if you think it will only worsen your back, then dont do it.
Thanks for your help, and I hope I could have been of some assistance as well.

[Rakon]

Thanks for your advice, AntiG. []
I know I haven't described my technique well. I just don't know how to. I wish I could give some more info.

Btw. How bad is my english?

[jilola]

quote:Btw. How bad is my english?

It's excellent, don't worry.
I take it English isn't your first language?

2cents & L&L
Jouni

[Rakon]

No,it isn't. My first language is Croatian. I'm from Croatia. Many people don't even know where that is...[V]

I have my final English exam today. I'm in the last grade. After that, I get a diploma from Oxford.

Wish me luck! []

[CptPicard]

Hi Rakon,

That's an interesting experience of your Astral Projection... congrats...
btw your english is fantastic, better than mine and i'm from the UK.

PS.. Good Luck in your exam:)

[menriquezjr]

I thought Capt. Pickard will be born in France?
Engaged![]

[Berserk Exodus]

quote:Originally posted by Rakon

quote:Originally posted by jilola
How's that? Perhaps during an LD and an OBE you forget the physical sensations and thus experience no backpain? Do you have a bad back?

I used to have a terrible back because of my flat feet(i don't know if that's the correct expression). But now it's OK and my back is normal. My back NEVER hurts except when I have sensations. I do back massages with awareness hands but it doesn't seem to help. I would really appreciate it if someone told me what to do. Today I had vibrations in the morning again. But my back did hurt. I think it has something to do with my position. Yesterday, I was lying on my side and today I was on my stomach.

Anyhow, thank you for your support people!

How have you tried to fix the back pain in the past?  It could be a number of things, not enough exercise, your bed, et cetera.  You could just stretch it out but, have you tried that?

[SerGei]

Hi All!

Rakon: have you ever heard about cyropractic? (with direct translation from my language is BoneSmith)

I am sure that a cyropractic man can cure your back.

I had the same problem and now it is off.

The 'Bonesmith' puts your bones back to its original place with painless small pushes and torsions.

It is worth a try.

oh! and congrats for your experience.

And I know where is Croatia, it is near to my country, Hungary. You have a very nice country with it's beach and persons.(and that zzz-zzz sound bug)[]

[Rakon]

I strech every day on my training, Bereserk. Thanks anyway!

Cyropractic, eh? Well, that's a very, VERY good idea, indeed! I have to try that out. I just have to find a cyropractic! Thank you!
I hope it'll help..

Nice to hear that about my country, thanks! Have you been there? I feel sorry for not seeing jour country yet...

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[Rakon]

Hi, everyone!

This morning I had my first OBE after about 6 months of trying. I've been waiting for this for a long time and I'm very excited right now. I would have succeeded a long time ago if it wasn't for that awful pain in my back every time the vibraions started. I posted a topic about that:
http://www.astralpulse.com/forums/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=12519
Nobody replied... [!]
Somehow, my back just didn't hurt this morning.

This is my experience:
I woke up at 5 o'clock and decided to stay in bed for a little more. I was lying on my side. Vibrations started. I thought I was about to have a lucid dream projection, as usual. I imagined the place where I would like to project - some snowy mountains. The vibrations stopped. Everything around me was dark for about 10 seconds. Then, my room started to form around me. I was very suprised to find myself there, instead of the place I imagined. I realised at that moment that I was in the real-time zone. I remembered RB's warnings about staying out of body for too long. He says that it may couse me not remembering it. I ignored his warning, and it turned out just fine – i remember everything perfectly! [] My decision made me think about how many times I already was out of body, but not remembering it afterwards. I flew out of my house through a window. I spent some time getting through the glass. I could feel it's texture. It was night outside. My street looked exactly like the real one. I landed down. Some blue haired guy approached me and congratulated me for leaving my body. I said thanks. He went away. Some hot chick went by. I suppresed my sexual urge knowing that it might ruin everyting. It was dawning now. I flew up in the air at great speed and down to the Earth again. I landed in a desert. There was a girl levitating around. She was looking very wise. I came to her and asked her if there were some other people here. She told me that there were, and that she will lead me to them. I followed her. We got to a marketplace. It was day now. I took some chocolate from one stand. I ate it. It tasted like real chocolate. I asked the trader if he had a wife. He answered that he didn't because a wife would occupy him a lot, and he needs his own time. I flew up in the air once again and went around the desert. Then I once again saw a hot chick on the ground. I came to her and kissed her. I could feel her perfectly. I decided to go away, suppresing my sexual urge again. Sexual urge seems to be much more powerful when I'm out of body. It's very irritating. I flew up once more at great speed and down to the Earth again. This time, I landed in the middle of an ocean. I noticed an island in the distance. It looked tropical. I flew towards it. As I approached it, I started to see a harbour in a cove. I went into it. It must be the most beautiful place I have ever seen. Sun was shining brightly and I could see it's reflection in the water. Water was very bright and full of fish. There were a few yachts sailing around. I could feel the nice breeze on my body. There was a sandy beach. You know, that beautiful yellow sand... Behind the beach, there was a jungle. Truly amazing. I went underwater. At first I was holding my breath but then I realised I don't have to do that. I was swimming with the fish. Then I thought it was time that I get back into my body. I've really spent way too much out of my body for my first time.

There are a few reasons why I think that this might have been only a lucid dream.
1.There was no pain in my back, and there usually is no pain when I have a lucid dream projection.
2.Robert Bruce mentioned in his book that newcomers to OBE have a hard time with moving around the real-time zone. I didn't have that kind of problem.
3.At first everything DID look exactly like reality, but then I got into a desert, and into that cove... That doesn't seem to be real-time zone, nor the astral dimension (from what I know about astral dimension).

But then again:
1.I didn't project to a place I imagined – I projected at the same spot where my body was.
2.I couldn't create stuff as easily as I can in a lucid dream.

What do you think of my experience? And do you think it was an OBE or not?