Conscious Entity

[jilola]

What leads you to believe that the "mind consciousness" is anything other than "soul consciousness" filtered through the physical body experiences? And that a body is conscious without the filtered souls/mind consciousness?


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jouni

[narfellus]

MIND=electrical intelligence in every cell of body. Many variations and sublevels.

BODY=includes the brain, houses/is housed by the Soul. God experiencing Himself with it.

SPIRIT=controls the Mind and Body. Very eternal and evolving.

At least those are a couple of ways of looking at it, i'm sure others will disagree.

[jilola]

How about SPIRIT+BODY=MIND.

The Body contained in the Soul generates the Mind via an induction/interference mechanism of sorts.

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jouni

[CptPicard]

quote:Originally posted by jilola

What leads you to believe that the "mind consciousness" is anything other than "soul consciousness" filtered through the physical body experiences? And that a body is conscious without the filtered souls/mind consciousness?

Well I surpose the point is..... I don't really know!
It's just a theory of mine I think should be considered and discussed due to our little understanding.

The mind (human brain) is the source to all processing, memory, emotion etc... without it we are simply vegetables and that consciousness we are currently experiencing (right now) is gone forever.
"My apologies to vegetables for they have there own evolution"

So what I propose is the soul entity is attached and learning from within us and once our
Physical body dies the entity departs with its own copy of our consciousness. Just like when we AP (astral project) a copy of us leaves the human body and when it rejoins successfully the experience is downloaded to the human brain so that we have memories of the experience.
But theoretically if the copy had not returned the memory wouldn't exist right?

I don't wish to startup a debate about cloning ethics but a sheep called Dolly has already been cloned, the question is... Did this sheep have a soul?
So when Dolly the sheep died its physical consciousness died and as it more than likely didn't have a soul its existence ceased to exist.
The point of this example is that sheep and or human clones can exist and have a normal consciousness without a soul.

How many people have died and come back? Not many! Although there are some who claim to have had near death experiences.  This could just be a simple illusion created by the human brain, as your Neru Pathways are still functional long after the human heart has stopped. Then miraculously after you've been revived you recall memories even though you were physically pronounced dead.

The theory is plausible; I don't think anyone can actually give me facts as to otherwise.
Strange as it may seem, it's not which I choose to believe but which I fear.

[jilola]

I'd suggest that the brain is just an interface device that allows the soul consciousness to manifest its actions via the body.
The more complex the brain the higher the pysical awareness of self and the more sophisticated the vehaviour of the individual is.

The idea of copies existing in the physical body intruduces, imho, an unnecessary variable into the equation.


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Jouni

[CptPicard]

quote:Originally posted by runlola


why do you think Dolly doesn't have a soul?
couldn't it have a lower level soul?
do you plants have a soul?
do you think dolly is a robot?

I hope Dolly did have a soul, but It's simply my ignorance questioning my better judgment.

Scientists seem to enjoy playing GOD and can clone a sheep and one day possibly organs and humans.
They haven't considered the spiritual implications involved (the soul)
My first question was, at what point is the soul joined to the human body? When conceived? Or maybe when born?

But what I'm saying is how do we really know our essence, our absolute conscious we currently perceive lives on and that it's not just the copy of our consciousness that departs and evolves for GODS own wisdom.

Maybe there's a spiritual conspiracy, we are being exploited like machines being operated by the soul to grow and learn from us human robots

[jilola]

I don't have a soul. I am a soul.
I have chosen to focus in this physical body to experience a lifetime in the conditions I have chosen.
The soul that focused in Dolly chose that experience.

quote:But what I'm saying is how do we really know our essence, our absolute conscious we currently perceive lives on and that it's not just the copy of our consciousness that departs and evolves for GODS own wisdom.

Because there is only one Soul but it contains several focus points that perceive themselves as individual souls. The idea that we are separate from god and everything else is caused by the apparent separation and the inablity to normaly recall the true state of affairs.
The enlightenment experience/self_realization experience show to each one of us personally that we are all one.

The body is just a manifestation of a Soul focus and only relevant to physical experiencing of one's existence. We are not our bodies.


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Jouni

[CptPicard]

quote:Originally posted by jilola
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The enlightenment experience/self_realization experience show to each one of us personally that we are all one.

Hello jilola,

Your replies make allot of sense and are very uplifting. But a question if I may!
What's the enlightenment experience/self-realization?  
Is this something we realize in the earth-plane or when we cross over?
And is all this just your belief?

[jilola]

quote:What's the enlightenment experience/self-realization?
Is this something we realize in the earth-plane or when we cross over?
And is all this just your belief?

It's not my belief, it's my direct, personal and immediate experience (if I have interpreted it correctly).

It means the direct, personal and immediate perception of the fact that pone is not a separate individual like our egos suggest but in fact intimately connected to everything else in existence.

I don't know if the crossing over from life to afterlife is the same but I believe that it is. In many writings the dropping away of ego and the direct awareness of unity is described in terms of death.
I don't think it's a coincidence. What dies during the experience is the ego driven illusion of separateness and until that moment we mistake that illusion of separation as "I-separate", during the experience and after it the self reference becomes "I-connected-yet-individual". The balance between remaining separateness and being connected varies depending on the intensity and clarity of the exprience.

There are many ways to achieve the unification experience(enlightenment/self-realization). Google will help as will a search of the forums here.

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jouni

[CptPicard]

quote:Originally posted by runlola


Your identity here is part of your soul,
why do you think of your own soul as
being separate from yourself?

Once again... it's a theory of mine.

The mind and body is physical, the soul is not!
The mind lives and then it dies, but the soul lives on forever!
Your soul can not learn without the brain! The brain is the physical substance that processes the information and holds your perceived consciousness.
And when the mind dies a copy of your physical conscious is attached to the soul.

However... there's something that'd change my mind. When the time comes for us to pass over to the spirit world and that very second we die does our consciousness that we perceive right now continue as though we never actually died and closed our eyes.

Or will our physical consciousness just die and we remember no more. This is what I'm worried about. That the soul is learning from us and it's the soul that has the copy of our lives experiences and consciousness.

[jilola]

quote:Your soul can not learn without the brain!

Yes it can, but not about direct physical experiences and sensations.

quote:The brain is the physical substance that processes the information and holds your perceived consciousness.

The words "Perceived Consciousness" is spot on.

quote:This is what I'm worried about. That the soul is learning from us and it's the soul that has the copy of our lives experiences and consciousness.

It's a bit tricky trying to prove to someone else that you are the soul and that the mind is just a reflection. It has to be experienced.

Like I said my experience is Direct(=observed by me and not as an effect on something eelse), Personal(=it may differ in quality for others but not in the essential content) and Immediate(=it cannot be conveyed in words that make any sense. It's there right at the moment we call "now" and that moments exists only)

Think about a calm pond and a full moon reflected upon it. The moon is the soul, the pond the body and the reflection of th emoon the mind.
If you drain the pond the image of the moon disappears as the mind appears to disappear when the body dies. But is the moon gone? No, it never was in the pond, only an illusion was erased.

Your anxiety seems to stem from confusing the reflection on the moon with the moon itself.
You're looking at the pond and the reflection from such an angle that you cannot see the cause of the reflection.
The enlightenment experience/self-realization is seeing the moon in the sky while the pond drains dry.

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jouni

[CptPicard]

I have often wondered when the soul first joins the human body!

And I have often wondered that when the human body dies and the soul departs, it's the soul's conscious that evolves and not the minds conscious the soul's learning from?
So basically what I'm saying, our absolute conscious we now perceive in our mind dies forever but that off the soul moves on which is not actually our conscious mind.

It's worrying to think we have an entity in our body that's learning from us which evolves to a greater consciousness, leaving the human body and mind that we are now perceiving to die.