Kundalini

[Mobius]

Hi Robert

I'll make this short & sweet as I posted this question after something you talked about in the interviews section, under radio schedule. Basically, I just wanted to know if spinal injuries help or hinder the development of Kundalini?

Thanks for any info

Mobius

[Brad]

Robert,

Thanks for the replyl.

I will describe my experience in detail and at length in the near future.

In my experience, the experience was as physical as it can get.  I thought my back was going to break because of the energy which came up through me.  Which was part of why I accepted my death and threw myself to the mercy of what created us.

Then the experience became as metaphysical as it can get.

It may be that people experience this at different levels.

I have lived a very intense life and all I can say is that experience was as intense physicially as it gets.  Metaphysicially as well.

I have much more to say on this.

I hava much more to ask.

Thank you so much for your response.

Brad

[Brad]

Robert,

A few more quick thoughts.

I will elaborate and fill in the details of my experience later in the week.

As synchronicity has had it I was composing a note to someone else regarding all this when I heard you on the Art Bell show.

Though I may have to reedit that note for this forum it will have a clear description of my Kundellini experience.

My description may be a bit longer than most of the posts I've had a chance to skim on this forum.  Will that be a problem?

But for now, I will say that I've always though that the experience has changed me at the molecular level. I felt as if the experience was an initiation in the classical way.  I felt as if I was turned inside out - if that means anything to you.

You have no idea how glad I am to finially find someone who has had a similar experience. (or perhaps you do).  But in my experience, though I've known some fairly open minded folks I've never experience anybody I've run into who has been able to accept my experience, except in a symbolic way.

The experience was not symbolic at all to me although it involved symbols.  It involved physiciality in a way that I don't want to experience again.  However, touching the metaphysical planes so consiously again would be my happiest moment.

Thanks again,

Brad

Brad

[Tia]

Robert Bruce,

Your posts on K are absolutely fascinating.  I have some questions, if you get a moment to reply I would really appreciate it.

1.  What is the "Auum effect"?

2.  And what exactly is the "full Medusa effect"?  I get an impression of a very bad hair day indeed!  

  "Kundalini can raise in 5 well known ways, with its highest path being the serpent of fire path.  K's primary pathway involves the serpent of fire. This feels like a real physical snake the size of a man's wrist is forcing its way up through your body (starting at the perrineum), 3.5 coils through your body and then up through your neck and head. This is a 'very' noticeable sensation. You will feel your organs and intestines being moved (sloshing about) as this happens, as they are moved out of the way."  

3.  What are the "5 well known ways"?  Is it possible to experience Kundalini without the "serpent of fire"?  

4.  I have read that Kundalini can rise as a result of personal trauma, or an NDE.  Would you say this was true?  

 "Kundalini can be very painful and burning in the early stages. This gets easier to handle and less painful each time you do it. This is possible only if you do not lose your mind through poor preparation.  The moment kundalini rises, your body will experience full physical shock. Your bowels will let go, re the need for cleansing practices like fasting and enemas to avoid this."

5.  With hindsight, what "preparation" could you have done to make your experience easier?

6.  You say you "should have died" but did not.  What happened to your body at this time?  Can you describe the experience, did your heart stop beating?  

7.  And how long did it take for your body to recover from the Serpent of Fire experience?  

 "Another side effect of raised kundalini was greatly enhanced empathy, intuition and psychic abilities. At this level these are quite troublesome and disturbing. After raising kundalini a dozen or so times, I took a year off from everything, to give my mind and senses time to adapt. If I had not done so I would have gone mad."

8.  Can you give an example of the side effects that you found difficult to deal with?

9.  What psychic abilities developed as a result of your awakening?

10.  What are the benefits of raising Kundalini?  What is it for?

[Brad]

R[maroon][/maroonRobert,

Though I too am not interested in an arguement on reincarnation, I do want to point out the following:


Their is beginning to be abundent proof of reincarnation.  Though I will provide more info in the future, for now I suggest the book, "Old Souls", I don't remember the name of the author.  It is about the work of Dr. Ian Stevens a psychiatrist who devoted his entire career (38 years) to documenting people with provable memories of past lives.

Though during the kundilini experience which began this disscussion I did experience that all time is in really NOW, paradoxicially I still think that their is something to linear reincarnation.  This may be a sort of illusion I don't know.

I don't claim that I met deities in my kundillini experience.  The beings I observed did not have name tags and no voice boomed out introducing them and they did not shake my hand and say that I'm....  I have no idea of who they were.  I'll only say that at the time they seemed to me too be like Christ and the Buddah.  I will say that I think they were beings far advanced from me.  That they were on the side of the creator and beings of much power, insight and wisdom.

You asked, " But there seem to be a number of realized Eastern masters, who generally adhere to very strict beliefs, disciplines and practices. Why is this so?

I can't answer that question.  I will offer some opinions.  Could one answer be the regitity of orthodoxy?  

I think that the work of Michael Newton, Ph.D. a hypnotherapist who has written, "Journey of Souls" and "Destiny of Souls" and many other hypnotherapists and near death researchers and channels clearly prove that we do choose our parents, lessons and circumstances of our incarnations.

Though I long studied the Qabalh and many other occoult and mystical systems I stopped for the stuffiness, regity, self rightousness and self importance, I found tainting many of those teachings.  In spite of the fact that I know that many truths can be found in these systems, I wanted information from the source, if you will.  Or at least as close to the source as I can find.  That would be souls who have either been to the other side or were there.

For those reasons I've focused my attention on information from near death experiencers, hypnotic regression, and some channeling information (Seth and Michael, FYI), rather than the, "Masters" who adhere to very strict beliefs and practices.  Though I do strongly believe that some of these "masters" do have knowledge of these matters I'm really tired with the pomposity, regitity, and self importance many of these folks often display and offer as "fact".

More later,

Brad

[jilola]

Have you guys read
http://www.hermetics.org/kundalini.html ?

2cents

jouni

[Adam Kadmon]

Anyone here who has awakened kundalini, and are anxious about the changes taking place should check out www.kundalini-support.com. There is a wealth of experiential information here from scores of people with awakened K in the enfoldment process. There is a forums section where people exchange information on controlling the energies, staying sane, and balancing their internal metamorphosis with everyday life. If you are making a conscious attempt to raise your K, check out the bios before jumpstarting the process. You will think twice. This site is an invaluable resource.

[Brad]

To Adam and Jouni,

Thank you so much for those sites!  I had no idea that there was so much information availablt re: Kundilini.  Wow!

Also to Robert Bruce thank you for this site.  What a great resource!

Brad

[Brad]

Robert,

A couple of thoughts.  I have been going over my memories of my Kundilini experience, in preparation to writing as an exact memory I can, 30 years later, both for you and my friend Natabara Das, consequentially I've been regaining some related memories long forgotten.

One thing which I had put into the backroom of my memories, which I've recently recalled, was something which I thought you might find interesting, particularly since you are an expert on psychic attacks and self defense of such.

The day after I had my Kundilini experience, someone I'd never met came to the house where I was living and sought me out.  Later I found out that his explanation of why he showed up there was, at best, suspect.

I lived in a large apt, sort of a commune, which was popular back then.  I mention this because no one in this apt. knew this person, who came looking for me, as I later found out.

The man who sought me out made no secret to me that he was a black magician.  In fact he tried to recruit me into his group.  After meeting him twice and making it very clear to him that I had absolutely no interest in his proposals I never saw him again.

I've always wondered if something about my kundilini experience attracted him to me.  Actually, I don't see any other explanation. And in a way this experience has always confirmed to me that I was on the positive side of things and that the experience was valid.

But some of the information the black magician discussed with me brought to my attention and got me to study a writer you should know well, Dionne Fortune, the Qabilist author of Psychic Self Defense and other books on the Qabalh.  This meeting was what got me interested in the Qabalah and related occult studies.

Next, though I mentioned that I'd given up studying traditional masters, teaching and the like, for less stuffy, orthodox and dogmatic teachings to look into near death, hypnotherapy etc.  I have learned much from these studies.  But I will admit that I haven't seen a word regarding kundilini and some of the matters which those whom I've described as "dogmatic, rigid, stuffy, self important.

It is clear to me that there is a paradoxical reality going on here (at least with me) which I do not understand. There seems to be some validly to some of those stuffy old dogmatic masters and some of the so called "new age" philosophers as well.

Just my limited opinion.

Brad

[Robert Bruce]

G'day Tia!

1.  What is the "Auum effect"?

2.  And what exactly is the "full Medusa effect"?  I get an impression of a very bad hair day indeed!  

When kundalini has been raised to its full a number of times, and the energy body has settled down and adapted, the kundalini state begins to develop and deepen.  When fully raised in its more developed state, kundalini raises in the normal way, with a visceral snakelike sensation, 3.5 coils up through the body.  When it reaches the head, it feels like the top of the head disappears and hundreds of soft, fat, fleshy antennae sprout from the surface of the brain, each feeling about the size of a finger.  These move and form geometric patterns, depending on the subject of your thoughts. If you change a thought, or think of a person, they change pattern and point to where a living person is in real time, geographically. At this time, the brow and crown centres seem to fuse, and the brow is felt as a hand sized fleshy flap hanging down over the brow, connected to the crown structure. When all this happens, the sacred Aummm is felt and heard, quite strongly and loudly, as permeating all reality inside and out. This sounds/feels like the Aummm word being vibrated in the back of a mature man's throat, deep and powerful.

3.  What are the "5 well known ways"?  Is it possible to experience Kundalini without the "serpent of fire"?  

I have read that there are 5 pathways, in yoga, tantra and other esoteric texts, but do not have the books to hand at present. The serpent of fire pathway is the primary kundalini pathway.  The lesser pathways are said to result from energy blockages.  I only raise kundalini in one way, so have no personal experience with the lesser pathways.

4.  I have read that Kundalini can rise as a result of personal trauma, or an NDE.  Would you say this was true?  

I can't see kundalini resulting from personal trauma, but maybe death or near death would cause a strong kundalini related surge.

5.  With hindsight, what "preparation" could you have done to make your experience easier?

I would have spent a lot more time preparing and purifying myself.  I would also have spent more time stimulating my intellect to promote more balance.

6.  You say you "should have died" but did not.  What happened to your body at this time?  Can you describe the experience, did your heart stop beating?  

I think my heart stopped beating for a couple of minutes. I was ejected from my body in a very powerful OBE, much like a NDE.

7.  And how long did it take for your body to recover from the Serpent of Fire experience?  

Physically, I recovered in a couple of hours, especially after a swim and some food and exercise.  Mentally I was also fine, apart from the onslaught of psychic impressions and creative ideas.

8.  Can you give an example of the side effects that you found difficult to deal with?

The pressure of the psychic and emotional impressions I sensed coming from all around me.  This also opened me up to very strong psychic attacks. Keep in mind that the reason I raised kundalini was to find a way to stop the attacks on my home and family.  Kundalini made matters much worse, but I learned a lot in the process.

9.  What psychic abilities developed as a result of your awakening?

All of them, some stronger and some weaker.  Another big change kundalini brings is heightened creativity and intellectual ability.

10.  What are the benefits of raising Kundalini?  What is it for?

Emancipation is always the primary reason, meaning one can escape the incarnational process.  Spiritual evolution and evolving to a higher stage of spiritual existence is also high on the list.

I think one of the biggest problem people encounter stems from the sheer lack of knowedge about kundalini and what it is. Most people believe it is a raise once and its done kind of thing, and a huge range of symptoms are said to indicate raised kundalini.  But I think that unless one experiences some primary kundalini raising sensations, one is only experiencing kundalini related phenomena.

Most problems I have encountered, and heard about from others, can be overcome by repeatedly raising and developing kundalini, and by using the new potential it creates, eg, especially involving creative and intellectual pursuits.  Kundalini, once raised, needs to be used and exercised and developed. If not, a host of conflicts arise, along with various levels of instability.

Note, I advise anyone who raises their kundalini deliberately, to repeat this a few times, a week apart, and then take a year off all energy work and concentrate on grounding yourself by focusing on your physical life. This is also a good time to focus on stimulating and exercise the intellect, by learning and reading, or by doing something creative, eg, artwork, playing musical instruments, writing, poetry, etc. The creative and intellectual aspects need stimulating after kundalini has been raised.

For those who experience a spontaneous kundalini rising, I suggest they take also take a year off and do the above.  After this, they should learn how to raise their kundalini deliberately if they want to develop kundalini.  If not, following a creative path, music or art or etc, will ease most kundalini related problems.

Dietary needs and alergies or sensitivity to certain foods is quite normal after kundalini has been raised. A healthy diet, avoiding things you are sensitive to, is the best way to deal with this.

Regular daily trance meditation is always adviced when kundalini has become active or has been raised.


Take care, Robert.

[Tia]

Many thanks Robert for taking the time here.  I did want to know what your motive was in raising Kundalini which you have answered, fascinating as I would have thought it would have given you more knowledge and power to deal with things of a phsycic nature.  I guess I still dont quite understand it.  Isn't Kundalini a form of energy, and cant you use that energy?  

I did read Gopi Krishna some time ago and if I remember correctly he also mentioned feeling as though his internal organs were being moved about.  He also lived in a part of the world (India I think) where Kundalini was not unheard of but could find no one/guru  to advise or help him, or even to say if infact he was experiencing a Kundalini awakening so I was left with the impression that it's not just the western world that is uninformed.

You dont mention at all the Kundalini travelling up the spine which I have read about.  Is this perhaps one of the 5 'other' pathways you talked about?  Or just phenomena?  And does Kundalini phenomena lead to a Kundalini awakening?  

With regard to NEW, didn't it prepare you in some way, having strengthened your energy body?

I didn't mean to ask more questions but I guess the more you tell me, the more I will want to know - should I just wait for you to write the book?

[Brad]

Robert,

As you requested, here is my description of my Kundilini experience.

When I was about 18 or 19 after a few previous psychedelic experiences and some reading of spiritual matters, I decided to use a large dose of LSD to attempt a full blown mystical experience.  I was very interested in experiencing what created us then as directly as possible (how simplistic most of us are at that age).

As this was in San Francisco, during what has become known as, "the Summer of Love" I had access to both real LSD and a wide diversity of spiritual thought.

Though I was then, already a vegetarian, I prepared for the experience by fasting for two weeks, eating just a bit of brown rice and black tea each day. I did breathing exercises and meditation and spiritual reading and contemplation during those weeks.

On the appointed day, I didn't eat anything.  That night, when everybody else in the house was asleep I put 1225 mcg of LSD 25 under my tongue.

I began with some breathing exercises.  

Then I began a meditation, based on an article I'd been studying in preparation for the experience.  

The meditation was to hear and focus on the highest frequency I could hear in the inner ear in my head.  Then to completely focus on the sound as it got louder and then higher in frequency.  

It actually happened, the sound got louder and higher, in jumps, each more intense.  This seemed to cause a sort of a "critical mass" situation.  Each jump had the power to initiate the next jump in power is the only way I can describe it.

After a short while the effect was unstoppable, the sound got much louder and higher.  In other words, it was as if a critical frequency was reached and it caused both the increase in sound loudness and frequency which seemed to be unstoppable.

I felt as if my brain was going to explode.  This all began to happen after about 10+ min after ingestion of the LSD, or so it seemed.

Then I knew that I was going to die.

I staggered into the next room to tell one of my roommates that I was going to die.  

Patronizingly, she told me to go back to my trip and that I was just having a hallucination.  

Somehow, in spite of the terror, the studying and preparation I'd been doing kept reminding me of the experience which I had been preparing myself for, so I didn't panic.

I returned to my room and retook the meditation posture, which I had been in here-to-for, and decided to accept my fate.

If I was going to die, I accepted that.  I put myself into the hands of our creator.  After all, wasn't the whole reason I'd initiated the experience?

When I next opened my eyes, what a "hallucination", I "saw".  Everything that I was looking at in my room was really a huge snake.  

When I say huge, everything within my view, which was not me, was the snake.  The snake was exquisitely beautiful and seemed to be of the constrictor type.  There was no question that the snake entirely dominated the situation.  I was totally at its mercy.

Then the snake put its huge face, right up against my little nose.  Face to face.  Nose to nose.

Part of what happened next, was what validated what you were saying as being truthful, to me, was what you said on the Art Bell show, because I'd long suppressed the memory.  

It just seemed that this memory was so Freudian, and consequentially seemingly discrediting of my story, that I had never told anyone this part of the experience.  Because next the snake seemed to have its snout between my legs and was tapping or pounding me there.  It was like a reptilian rape.

Suddenly, it seemed like the snout of the snake broke threw something and was going up into my body.  

I felt then as if something molecular happened to me and that the serpent had an atomic way into me which I could not stop. I remember gasping for breath at this, as it filled me up.

Then I went into convulsions, but just in my upper body as so much power surged up through my back.

I'd been sitting on a couch, in a meditation posture and I felt my back just arching in a way that I thought was going to just snap my spine.  The convulsions were just uncontrollable, unrelenting and gruesome.  I felt as if I were a rabbit in the jaws of a large dog.

If you have ever had what we in the U.S. call the, "dry heaves" you may know what I'm talking about.  For those of you unfamiliar with this slang, "dry heaves" means to puke, or throw up, with nothing in you stomach. It's just unrelenting and unstoppable. But what I experienced was more powerful than that.

I've often told those to whom I have related this story, is that the experience felt as if someone had put opposing poles of extremely high powered electrodes at the base of my spine and top of my head.

Then something else happened, and I felt as if my brain and mind became light.  At that point my experience was joy and ecstasy.

Next, I found myself in an exalted room where there were two beings which I interperated as being like the Christ and Buddha.  I am not claiming that is who the beings were.  I will say that the beings seemed to be quite exalted and wise.  They seemed to be surprised by my appearance.  I do remember looking into the eye of the Buddaic being and seeing into his mind. I remember light bright clear white light.

At this point much of the detail becomes vague.  But I felt as if I was taken by a third being and shown many of the deeper secrets of creation.  Later I read of some of these things in Vedic literature.

FYI I have taken many other psychedelic voyages since then (though none for about 15 years), some of then also extremely large doses (12 gr. Of psilocybin mushrooms for example).  Though I have had many deep spiritual experiences I have never had an experience which was similar.  I certainly have not had the physical experience of the convulsions  and the back arching which I did during my Kundilini experience.

Other than that I can only say that the experience was the most powerful, important and pivital of this life.

Sometimes I've felt as if I stumbled into this experience before I was spiritually ready for it.  But then on the other hand part of me says you cannot have this experience until you are ready.  I just don't know.

Brad

[ralphm]

Robert, the questions keep coming-why should a person not do any meditation for a year after? not even mindfulness meditations? Is it because it will start kundalini again? The most intense meditative experience I had was reinitiated by listening to music, if kundalini could be restarted spontaniously I suppose one could not even listen to music for a year afterward.
Is there a certain thing that happens right before kundalini rises that is different from other energy sensations?

[alpha]

Hello Robert!
Just some questions ive had on my mind.

1.The ectoplasm you mentioned.This is what actually moves your organs aside?Has there been any proof of that?Like say an autopsy?

2.How do you know when you are ready to raise your kundalini?Can it just raise on its own eventually?If you get far enough along on your spiritual path?

3.I raise energy often.Using new energy ways,Thanks to you making it so easy.I like to go on for hours sometimes.I worry that I may be over doing it.And I might activate the kundalini.Is this possible?Im not directly stimulating my chakras.Only go through them once a week.Like you say in your book.

                                  Thats it,Looking forward to your new books...
                                                                                                            ALPHA




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[Robert Bruce]

G'day Folks!

First, I would like to make it clear that I am not intentionally wagging my finger at anyone and saying they are wrong, or that I am right.  I do not go against public opinion just for the sake of it.  I just answer to the best of my ability, as honestly as I can, based on personal experience and deep thinking. I can do no more or less than that.

Now I'll try to answer a couple of recent questions in this topic..

1. Tia:  I too thought I could use kundalini energy to help others, and myself, but it did not work out this way.  And developing kundalini and learning how to use its energy is not really feasible while one is possessed by an arch demon.  Once kundalini has been raised, the energy body and psychic abilities, and the mind, are quite unstable and exposed to an onslaught of impressions.  To use energy effectively, one must have focus and balance.  This is, basically, why it puts you in a difficult situation rather than solving problems.

I did not develop the NEW system until a few years after I first raised my kundalini. But NEW certainly makes the energy raising and chakra manipulation much easier.

Prior to early kundalini raising, massive kundalini spikes are felt coursing up through the spine.  This will happen the first few times its raised, getting progressively easier each time.  Then it stops happening and only the serpent sensation is felt.

Kundalini related phenomena does not necessarily lead to a full kundalini raising.  A fair number of people experience this kind of phenomena, but actually raising kundalini is far more rare.  Taming and developing kundalini is even more rare, almost unheard of apparently.

2. Brad:  Thanks for the extra info. You definitely seem to have experienced some kind of spontaneous kundalini raising, but I don't really know what this would have done to your energy body.  This was obviously triggered by LSD, so you obviously have potential.  But whether or not you can repeat this and or develop it would depend on the time and effort you put into it.

Keep in mind that how you are on the inside, your thoughts and motivatons, are also extremely important.  Long term spiritual discipline helps a great deal to prepare for kundalini.

3. Ralphm:  After a full kundalini raising, it is necessary to thoroughly ground the body and mind firmly in the physical.  This is necessary if one hopes to handle the onslaught of psychic impressions and ideas, and the surging of the energy body, which becomes extremely sensitive.  The minds eye, for example, fills with images and the mind with impressions.  This is not a comfortable way to live and it would be easy to tip over the edge and become deluded, or insane.

Certain types of music will stimulate the energy body and psychic senses, but this will not trigger a kundalini rising, even after its been done once or twice.

Kundalini rising is vastly different from any other energy sensation or phenomena.  Its like comparing mains voltage with a flashlight battery. Most people I have come across have difficulty conceiving of what kundalini is actually like, and generally fall back on partisan opinion, that tends to greatly downgrade kundalini into a fairly common phenomenon. Kundalini is not common at all.  It is the ultimate expression and evolution of the human energy body.

I heard one author (who shall be nameless) suggest to readers that they give their kundalini a pet name and talk to it, to coax it into activity.  This really made me curl up laughing. The author obviously had no idea as to the true nature of kundalini.

4. Alpha:  My theory that the internal sensations of kundalini would be very difficult to prove either way.  They are based on observaton and logic. I can think of nothing else but a strong internal production of ectoplasm that could cause such viseral sensations and internal physical movement.  An autopsy would prove nothing, as would opening me up during a kundalini raising session.  Ectoplasm is destroyed by light.  And I am destroyed by the thought of someone taking a knife to my stomach during such a profound moment:)

As for when one is ready to raise kundalini, well, I would expect some significant advancement both spiritually and metaphysically, eg, the ability to have wake induced OBE's would be a good indicator.  OBE is much, much easier than kundalini, so if one fails at 'wake inducing' OBE one is obviously not ready. Some level of visual clairvoyance, plus other psychic abilities such as healing and etc would also be expected.

Note that kundalini has both a positive and negative side. If one succeeds at raising kundalini before one is ready, the going would get really rough.  

I do not think that doing normal energy work, NEW or primary levels, could not trigger a full kundalini raising.  A great deal of time and effort is necessary to do this, so I don't think it could be done accidentally.  However, any type or level of energy work could trigger spontaneous kundalini related symptoms.
But I don't think a full kundalini rising would result from this, not with the full serpent phenomenon and etc.

All the above, however, depends on how you conceive kundalini to be.  I met a woman recently, and kundalini was mentioned, and she said 'I've done that'. A little questioning revealed that she had had a vision of a snake during a meditation, and some itchy sensations up her legs.  Because of this, she was convinced she had done it and was now enlightened.  Go figure it...

Take care, Robert.

[Frank]

quote:
Prior to early kundalini raising, massive kundalini spikes are felt coursing up through the spine. This will happen the first few times its raised, getting progressively easier each time. Then it stops happening and only the serpent sensation is felt.

Robert,

The sensation I get is like there is a big pulse in my brain. Then there is a BIG rush of energy down my spine which causes what feels like *very* powerful contraction (and subsequent release) of my whole lower spinal region.

Then there is an immediate and powerful rush of energy from my lower spinal region back to my head. Followed by another great pulsing in my brain and the cycle will repeat.

The feelings are extremely powerful to the extent where I can only stand about 4 or 5 cycles before feeling giddy and a bit sick and I'm struggling to try and make them stop. This happens to me about once a month, on average, and I always wondered what they were.  

I wondered if they are what you are calling "Kundalini spikes?"

Yours,
Frank

[jilola]

Frank: This the same sensation we talked about on the "Soul Spasms" thread? I'd be really interesting in Robert's take of them.

2cents

jouni

[yoki_h]

I would like to query Roberts statement that the ability to have awake induced OBE and other psychic abilities could or would be expected before you were ready to raise your kundalini.Maybe its a matter of which comes first the chicken or the egg.But to my way of thinking Kundalini gives you unlimited energy which would then manifest these abilities.Of course mental emotional spiritual and even physical balance are desirable and maybe there's even some sort of shorting system in place  till this takes place.
In my postings more about the kundalini I wrote of the possibility that Roberts new energy inducing system could activate the sleeping snake ,after a little thought I wonder if his system mirrors this event in some minor way.

yoki

[yoki_h]

Sorry folks I'm carrying on a bit of a debate all by myself here,this being my third posting on this subject in 24 hours.
As I walked with my dog this morning ,I gave the mater some thought ,amd came to the conclusion that Kundalini activating physic abilities could not be the whole storyr.This does not allow for the fact that varying gifts are scattered threw out the populace.A answer may be that kundalini can be partially active ,this would account for the variation from person to person.


yoki

[Mobius]

After much reading on various sites & books, I realize that I definately havn't had a Kundalini rising experience, maybe some Kundalini spikes as mentioned before or soul spasms, as I have a few things to experience yet & some problems to overcome first. Also the condition my spine is in, I'd probably end up back in hospital.

Robert, if you happen to read this could you let me know your opinion on whether a damaged spine would make Kundalini rising less or more possible?
Or is it completely unrelated? I've posted this question twice before, but you must have missed it.

Good journeys all

Mobius

[astralc]

yoki_h

in response to your comments I think Robert is saying that raising kundalini has side effects that need to be considered. I have had these experiences for over 20 years and sometimes, when I am not fully grounded emotionally myself, I fear having my kundalini awakened.

The side effects are emotional / physical and include panic attacks, anxiety, heart palpitations, dizzyness, confusion, sleeplessness, the works. So it is just not safe to go out and 'do it' without first preparing the foundations first. Good luck.

Astralc

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[Jacara]

quote:Robert, if you happen to read this could you let me know your opinion on whether a damaged spine would make Kundalini rising less or more possible?

I don't know about more or less possible, but he does indicate in the NEW tutorial that he has some spine problems, so at least it is possible.  I don't know that he'd know how it affects it unless he'd gotten the injuries between K-raising sessions and noticed a difference.

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Spinal Bounce:
This is a wonderful technique if you suffer back tension or spinal pain. I have a few spinal injuries myself and find this very soothing and healing.

[adiraz]

With all this kundalini discussion, I feel it time to share the wisdom of my guru (see the post on brainwave altering devices for information on my guru).  

He has some great ideas about how to raise energy.  Kundalini is one of his favorites he often gets mystical experiences after raising the Kundalini.  

Ok, lets get to the point.  If your new with kundalini you should start with low energy.  Grab a light serpent (10kg for example), fully mummify it so its quite rigid.   Then you want to grab a couple more animals.  Keep them alive becuause you want to raise the energy.  Tame animal spirits will raise easier.  Gouge the snake into the animals so you have a kundalini vibrating at your desired rate (diff animals for diff vibrations and effects).  Put the complete appartus at your feet in front of you, the snake perpendicular to your lower leg bones.  Ok lets have a look at this metaphysically, you will be raising the kundalini from below your Base Chakra to above your Crown, passing the Pubic Chakra, Abdominal Chakra, Pecs Chakra, Trapz Chakra then the Gym Chakra then UP UP N AWAY.  
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So just clear your mind, bend over putting your awareness hands on the kundalini, keep a straight back (your not gunna be able to raise much in a wheel chair now are ya), and Lift, using the Will to Lift.  Focus on an image of my guru to gain some assistance from above - i mean theres not much chance that you wilul be raising more Kundalini in one Lift than my guru lets face it.  Once you have raised, just let go and let the kundalini fall again for a mystical experience.

adiraz

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[Mobius]

G,day Jacara

Yes maybe you are right, it probably is a bit of a hard one to answer, & I was just hoping to discover something I maybe havn't found yet or tried out.

I have tried out Roberts technique, but maybe I'm not doing that part of it correctly or I'm just a different case all together & need to attack it a different way, a bit of lateral thinking, unfortunately I havn't hit it yet.

I read about Roberts spinal problems & saw a similar circumstance to my own & thought maybe he has some NEW answers (hehe, not a bad pun eh).

I did go down the Eastern medicine path as well, but was quite expensive & temporary, plus, I ran out of funds. At present I'm on the Western path of medicine, but I don't like it's side effects, but find it necessary for a "normal" existence, which means I pop pills like M&M's.

The upside of my condition is nightly OBE's. That is the ONLY relief I get, but those ones tend to be more spontaneous & I gain control shortly after an exit, as opposed to being in control from the start.

Oh well, I'm cashed up again now, so maybe I'll give the Eastern medicine another shot & see what happens

Adiraz, I see I have much to learn in this area (Kundalini) as I no understando, no comprehendo, but will catch up soon.

Good journeys all

Mobius

[yoki_h]

adiraz,are we talking real animals here if so it sounds a bit weird , me thinks your having us on

yoki