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[GODFELLAS]

People have always wonder about God. Here in Astralpulse we have many thread debating the existance of God, characteristic of God, creation of the universe and whatnot. We can be very sure that after all theory and speculation are debated, we will get back to square one and debate it again. Everything can be rationalized. Even irrational thing. Therefore I bring about the following episode highlight from Futurama:  Godfellas. (Yes, a cartoon episode will make a great debate. Look at all the dbz inspired thread. About time we have Futurama inspired thread.)

Episode summary on http://members.cox.net/futurama/Season04.html

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GODFELLAS

While fighting off space pirates, Bender is accidentally jettisoned from a torpedo bay into the vacuum of space. Considering the Planet Express was doing top speed at the time they have no chance of catching up with and saving him. Drifting off into deep space Bender wonders how he will pass all of eternity when he encounters a meteor storm and is struck by a special meteor inhabited by tiny beings. Seeing Bender they assume he is God and begin worshipping him and praying to him. Bender, however, finds it difficult to be omnipotent and has a hard time adjusting to his new found godhood.

Meanwhile, Fry is determined to find his friend and learns of a secret sect whose sole purpose is to scan the galaxies looking for signs of God's existence. Fry determines to ge to see these monks to use there telescope to scan the heavens for Bender.

Some of the people of Bender are happy and joyfull as Bender has answered their prayers and made life enjoyable for them while others feel neglectd and forgotten by their god Bender. They conspire to start war with the others and a full scale nuclear war breaks out on planet Bender obliterating the entire race. Bender is alone once again drifting alone in space. He does meet up with a being of incredible power who he believes to be the true God of all things. Bender tells the being of his failures as a god of his own and the being is sympathetic. Bender asks to be sent home but the being tells him that he cannot send him home because he is not really God and it is out of his power. Meanwhile Fry and Leela come to the sect and use the telescope to look for Bender. Frustrated disappointed in not finding Bender they give up, but not before a signal can be sent out to Bender and the being. Locking onto the signal the being sends Bender back thru space to his home planet Earth and back to his friends.

An unusual episode here dealing with some weighty topics like God and religion and purposes of life. Bender's lesson as a god of his own only tells that with great power comes great responsibility while his rendesvous with the supreme being is humbling. A visually stunning episode as well as Bender is provided with beautiful backdrops os the cosmos as he floats thru space.

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Yet another episode summary on http://www.tvtome.com/tvtome/servlet/GuidePageServlet/showid-249/epid-125571/

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When the Planet Express Ship is attacked by space pirates, Bender, sleeping in a torpedo tube, gets launched into space (They can't catch him because they were going at top speed when they launched him, a reference to the physics question of what happens when you throw a ball to the front of a ship going the speed of light). The crew goes home, and search the stars to find Bender to no avail. Fry ultimately turns to a carnival fortune telling machine (first appeared in The Honking) who tells him to search for a monestary in the mountains where a few monks are using the world's most powerful radio telescope to look for God.

Meanwhile, Bender speeds through an asteroid field and accidentally accumulates a microscopic civilization on his stomach, who declare him God, and worship him despite his constant inability to provide for their needs. They eventually declare war on the "Non-Believers" on Bender's butt, and nuke themselves into extinction, after which Bender comes across a sentient nebula which may or may not be God or some variation thereof.

Fry and Leela hijack the telescope from the monks (which can speak to whatever it's looking at, temporal mechanics be damned), and leave just as it scans over the Nebula, which hears Fry's voice, puts two and two together, and throttles Bender back to his home planet.  


Quotes  
 
Bender: "What are you? Some kind of galatic computer?"
God: "Possible. I am user friendly, my good chum."
Bender: "Who built you?"
God: "I have always been."
Bender: "Oh my GOD! Are you ... God?"
God: "Possible. I do feel compassion for all living things, my good chum."
Bender: "But, why would God think in Binary ... unless ... you're NOT God, but the remains of a computerized space probe that collided with God!"
God: "That seems probable."
Bender's One Commandment: God Needs Booze

God: "Bender, being God isn't easy. If you do too much, people get dependent on you, and if you do nothing, they lose hope. You have to use a light touch, like a safecracker, or a pickpocket."
Bender: "Or a guy who burns down a bar for the insurance money!"
God: "Yes, if you make it look like an electrical thing. When you do things right, people won't be sure you've done anything at all."

Bender: "So ... do you know what I'm going to do before I do it?"
God: "Yes."
Bender: "What if I do something different?"
God: "Then I don't know that."
Bender: "Cool ... cool. I bet a lot of people pray to you, huh?"
God: "Yes, but there are so many asking so much, after a while, you sort of tune it out."
Bender: "You know, I was god once."
God: "Yes, I saw. You were doing well until everyone died."
Bender: "It was awful. I tried helping them, I tried NOT helping them, but in the end, I couldn't do them any good. Do you think what I did was wrong?"
God: "Right and wrong are just words, what matters is what you do."
Bender: "Yeah, I KNOW! That's why I asked if what I did-oh, forget it!"
God: "Bender, being God isn't easy. If you do too much, people get dependent upon you, and if you do nothing, they lose hope. You have to use a light touch, like a safecracker, or a pickpocket."
Bender: "Or a guy who burns down a bar for the insurance money!"
God: "Yes, if you make it look like an electrical thing. When you do things right, people won't be sure you've done anything at all."
Bender: "Does that mean you wouldn't send me back to Earth, even if I PRAYED to you?"
God: "Earth? Which way is that?"

Bender: "GUYS! You'll never believe what happened! First, I WAS God! Then, I MET God!"
Fry: "We climbed a mountain and locked up some monks!"
Leela: "Oh no, the monks ... we forgot to let them out of the laundry room."
Fry: "Aww ... do we have to? I mean, they're monks, I'm sure their God will let them out, or at least give them more shoes to eat."
Bender: "FAT CHANCE! You can't count on God for Jack! He pretty much told me so himself! Now, come on! If we don't save those monks ... no one will!"
God: "Heh heh heh heh, when you do things right, people won't be sure you've done anything at all."

Monk 1: "He speaks out of love for his friend, perhaps that love in his heart IS God!"
Head Monk: "Oh, how convenient! A theory about God that doesn't require looking through a telescope. GET BACK TO WORK!"


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Disclaimer: I'm in noway affliated with Matt Groening in any way.

It has been quite some time since my last obe/ap. So I decide this is it. No more lull factor. I intent to travel today. I took a nap in the afternoon. After a while I got the vibration and my body float up on its own. I then feel my hand being pulled. Surprise me a little bit but  I'm not afraid since this has happened before. The first time the hand come because I ask for assistance as I'm stuck in my body. The 2nd, 3rd, 4th and 5th time it come on its own (never see the hand or anyone pulling me). The 1st and 2nd time I was very afraid but I tried to brave it the 3rd time. By the 4th and 5th time I was no longer afraid. However the vibration didn't last long this time and I soon come out of it.

The following night proves to be quite a busy night. I lay to sleep intent to travel to my parents home. Staying in the awake asleep line, I soon get the vibration. Guess what? My hand are being pulled again! So I just let the experience unfold and the hand pulled me for quite a longtime (I thought we're going to my parents home).

Eventually we arrive at someplace. Sensing someone nearby, I ask if there was anyone around. My vision come slowly and I saw that I'm at some beach. There was a guy (with a red cap and red vest?!) smiling at me. Seem quite smug that guy [^]. He looks 20 something and has asian feature. I ask "Who  are you?". "A friend" he said. "What friend?" I ask again. "Travelling" he answered [^]. What's with that?

On the beach there was 2 pool side by side. On the right side I heard shouting and joyous laughter from kids and grown ups swimming and having fun. The other side of the pool was different. I understand that there was two side of the pool. One is good, the other is not. I ask him where we are. He said "Nirvana". I tell him it's against my religious believe (I refuse to believe him, should've asked what he means by nirvana). He said  "Okay, okay" chuckling. I also ask him why are we communicating normally, shouldn't we just be able to read each other minds? He chuckle some more (my, this guy really likes to chuckle and always wear a smug smile on his face...). There was some more exchange between us that I don't remember. He jumps into the pool on the right (happy) side. I jump in too. But I then float up from the pool. I can't remember what happened next.

I remember having some lucid dream of sort that night too. There are too many that it gets mix up. Not to mention which one is ap, which one is LD etc... Maybe I'll put it in wild forum.

One more thing, when I attempt the projection, my friend told me he has some sleep paralysis, and saw a yellow furred creature on top of him.

Coincidence?

Anyone game for insight?

I think the following link might be helpful for us, new or experience traveller. Another helpful tips are the "puzzle pieces chapter" (if I'm not mistaken) from Alan Guiden Accidental Traveller guide but it seems that the site now ask for a password to enter it so I cannot get it here.

http://www.robertpeterson.org/keys.html
http://www.robertpeterson.org/desire.html

Also it might be helpful if all of us could offer some tips and advice on travelling puzzle. Just pooling idea.

Late.

This has happens  a few time. I would come to awareness from sleep and then my physical body will repel my non-physical. It was not that violent, just a gentle push. And then . My body feel hollow, like there is nothing inside. You might say like a balloon. Falling from my bed and climbing back (to go back to sleep) again and again until I realise  my situation. That is I'm already out and as much as I would like to sleep, I might as well go somewhere else.

Starting with no vision I try to walk away from my body. I would walk to my window (still no vision) and climb it. Standing on the window getting ready to jump. Then I would jump. But the last time it was a little different. There seems to be strong wind blowing and as I jump I feel the wind blowing on my body carrying me. The wind make quite a bit of noise too. I was blown by the wind for a while. I don't know why but I try to contract the muscle near the coccyx. And then I realise I'm contracting my physical muscles. Then I wake up.

Any takers? Puzzles including
1) hollow body
2) wind
3) muscle contraction
4) body repel

How to achieve inner peace?

Anyone know about yogic sleep? It's supposed to be more restful than ordinary sleep and. Less amount of sleep is needed to recuperate.

I search on the web but most web site is not very informative or helpful. Any one knows a good link?

Thanks.

I come to this website run by a guy that says miracolous thing about clicking your amygdala forward. The website is a bit jumbled up though.

http://www.h2net.net/p/nslade/chart.html
http://www.neilslade.com/

Tell me what you think.

I have read about Frank's post on training zone in some older thread. Taking into account the astral environment/rules and our sense, it seems like it is a very real pitfall that one can fall into.

What is the best way to tackle this situation? How to mantain our objectivity? how do we know whether it's the 'real' deal or not?

Your input is most welcomed.

Has anyone experience this? Whats it like? How do one goes learning this?

Any comment, suggestion, recommendation, website, book etc.. are appreciated.

How do one recover cure oneself from sinus allergy? When I'm in physical exertion or just walking they are very clear. But when I sleep for example it's become blocked usually one side is much worse than the other. It's been ruining my projection attempt as it is not very comfortable.

I'm not very keen on taking drug. much less taking one consistently. I'm open to suggestion, energy technique, herbal remedy, anything...

Thanks.

quote:I know I went over board, but they were so many.. I hope you get a laugh out of them like I did.

I like this best.[]

Hi Adrian,

I have "come to a halt" in action and thinking in my LD a few time and it did bring some interesting effect. The 'original' environment sort of peel and reveal a different environement underneath which seems more stable than the previous environment (although maybe that's just me).

Reaching to my body from dream state and taking it from there also seems to work, albeit it is not as direct as the previous method. You might want to check the following older thread.

http://www.astralpulse.com/forums/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=4729

http://www.astralpulse.com/forums/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=4573

I always thought it's just a matter of perception. Dreaming in the astral has a more direct effect compared to dreaming while in the physical.

There are some stuff in the book not available online and and vice versa.  The online version is thicker and have some additional stuff like the case study. I don't have the book with me now that's why I hope someone can add or correct me here. The online version is more general and health purpose while the one in the book is more for useful for the psychic stuff. Primary center simulation is only in Astral Dynamics (also much more info on astral projection). The online version and the book complement each other well. I start with the online version first and think it's enough until you're ready for primary centre simulation.

Parmenion,

I might, as soon as I get more comfortable with it.[]. It take some time for me to get comfortable with idea such as this.

HI Trace,

Glad that my limited experience is helpful to you.

Actually the Bruce in Monroe Institute you're talking about might be Bruce Moen. His work deals more with focused attention and retrieval stuff while Robert Bruce use more traditional OBE approach. Both have their advantage, I suppose.

Robert Bruce, Bruce Moen, Robert Monroe, Robert Bruce Banner (this one sees astral form in broad daylight when green), and it get pretty confusing at time. Maybe changing our name to something with Robert or Bruce could help with projection experience. []

Maybe not all flying dream are related to astral projection or oobe in progress. However some might. In daily life there are some period where we daydream. Surely we can daydream(or night dream) in the astral too. Some bodily sensation such as pain and sound are incorporated into the dream. Therefore feeling the non-physical body might trigger flying or falling dream.

I remember having many falling dream say from a cliff into the sea in my childhod (falling into the physical?). Also dream of train roaring loudly in my head (vibrational state?).  

Nick has been nicked! I never thought moderator hace such frihgtening powers.
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Astral dynamics concentrate more on astral projection. There are exercise for developing the chakras or energy center but the part of seeing training to see the aura is not there.

Actually I haven't finish it yet. Maybe someone could confirm.

It would be nice if there's a device to capture dream into DVD. But I guess the film industry won't be happy.

Trace,

I'm not really sure how it got away. Maybe on it's own, maybe not. However what I seem to do differently now is that when I get the vibration, I just relax and bath in it. I don't put any effort on getting out, or unstucking myself. I was experimenting with the buzzing, I want to see what will happen if I just stay there. I found out that if I just let it happen, my body will float on it own accord, without my interference.

Being stuck could be mental. Before this, I have use some trick to get out such as when my astral body was near the edge of the bed, I use my fear of falling from the bed to get out. As soon as I ponder on the possibilities of falling, my astral body fall from the bed like I was some sort of liquid. Alternatively, you could try using fear of crashing into the ceiling..., you get the idea.

If you feel adventourous, try asking for help. Something interesting might happen. I did this and I must admit that I was very startled by what happen next. Two invisible hand come and pull me out. I was shocked and freak a little. The hand did try to pull me out a few time, in some projection after that. I did get all the way one time and met someone. When I ask him who he is, he said he's a "friend". I ask again what friend, he said "travelling". I get to ask him some more question after that. I'm not really sure what really happen but I'm willing to learn more about this.

NEW (New Energy Way) is an exercise for developing energy body. You can go to the main site at http://www.astralpulse.com and check the download section. There are online version and downloadable version available for free. It's also in Robert Bruce book "Astral Dynamic". The one in astral dynamic is more geared for astral projection while the online version is more general.

HTH.

The online and downloaded version is a little bit different from what's in astral dynamics (primary centre simaulation only in astral dynamics).

There is also many diagram in the book.

Kewl. Now all you need is to act machievellian. Essential John nash is a great book. I also recommend checking on John Nash Theory.

Let the games begin. Again...

Hey Daniel,

How about asking whether there is human spirit or soul before 4 month in the wombs and after 4 month.

I'm not really sure on the definition of spirit and soul at this moment so maybe you can ask for both and tell us what you get.

I have a reason to ask about this and since you're getting result from the pendulum can you post it here?

Thanks.

Me go too. See you in next millenium. Maybe in 7 week earliest.[8D]

There is actually a taoist practise where you can ejaculate, yet still mantain the energ. It involve certain key sound. There are many different level to taoist practise btw.

What I'm trying to say here is that celebrate, err... I mean celibacy would not be good just on it's own. It's not that natural. And it's not like you're gonna be any good at semen hoarding. However being celibate for a long time might bring about certain physiological change, which can be beneficial or don't. I think I've read somewhere that those who are celibate like priest tend to be more prone to prstate cancer. I don't think that it's because of being celibate per se, but because of excessive tension. I feel bad bringing this up but what about the crime that some priest seems to be guilty of(there are more people not guilty of it but that's the nature of the news).

Forgive me but I'm going to use certain eastern term. When someone hold off from ejaculating, to put it simply, they increase a certain form of energy with yang nature. Due to nature of yang energy, it seeks expression. And staying celibate will increase this pressure until a certain point it will let off on its own, say in wet dream. The atoist claim that wet dream is more dangerous than normal sexual ejaculation because you have no control whatsoever, and there is no exchange in energy. therefore they have devise certain exercise for this. For a couple, they can use dual cultivation, balancing male energy, which is mostly yang with female energy which is predominantly yin. The pressure simmer off. But if someone want to stay celibate, there are practise suited for them such as greater kan and li, self intercourse and other exercise. In fact there is  certain level, of certain practise that the practitioner (who wish for celibacy) get to the stage that they produce no more semen. And of course not producing anymore semen they will not lose anything.It is a very advance practise by the way and I don't know much about it.

A simple but in no way a complete exercise to help with the sexual tension would be transferring energy from your sexual centre to heart centre and back in a cycle to transmute the energy into higher level. After enough cycling the energy the practitioner meditate on expressing love from the heart centre (the twin heart meditation is good for this).

And plmonline, maybe your brotherhood have certain practise for this problem?

Hearing voice or conversation (which can make sense or don't), hearing betiful melodies or song, seeing faces and scene(which may be frightening or don't), being poked and touched on your body is a common pre-obe symptom. I used to be afraid of sleeping on my back when I'm younger as it seem to promote sleep paralysis and other weird stuff (but sleeping on my side does not save me completeely either). Takes me some time to get over the fear of feeling presence in my room, and seeing people coming over and doing stuff in my room (usually they look like person that I know such as friends or families, which I don't know why). Sometime I think that I have invisible roommate who didn't pay the rent [].

My spontantenous obe usually come from me sleeping on my back. It seems that sleeping on the back make it easier for many people to OBE or have OBE symptoms. Maybe because most usually sleep on their side and not accustomed to sleeping supine.

My first experience with being pulled out of the body is when I decide to call for help getting out. I was stuck at at that time and feeling a little bit adventourous (reading about other people exp. with guide I decide to experiment). Actually I just intent guide, guide in my mind. What comes after that really surprised me. Even thought I was asking for help, I never thought I would get anything and I'm obviously not prepared. I felt two hand holding my upper arm and slowly pulling me away. Of course I'm afraid. I yelled no in my mind and I ask for God's help. The hand let go very quickly, I never quite finish resisting and asking God's help. What follow is interesting, after that incident when I just relax in the vibration and floating over my sleeping body, I would get pulled by two hand slowly away from my body. After a few time I decide I have enough fear and I will get on with the experience. I possibly met the one pulling me (at least that last time) and it was an interesting encounter. However I have to learn more about this experience before I can say more.

I found intersting that when I realise that I'm dreaming and come to a halt in whatever i'm doing and thinking, the dreamscene will peel in  a movielike effect, revealing another surrounding, which is more stable. Frank said projecting from a dream is a valid way of projection and that used to be his main projection method some time ago.