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It's been a while since anything related to Astral travel has been posted on this Forum. A few days ago I listened to this excellent radio show interview with Jimmy Church (the host), and Jason Quitt (his guest), speaking on the topic of Astral travel. Jason seems to have experienced quite a few of the things that I did while learning to consciously shift to NPRS as well. I thoroughly enjoyed the discussion and know that others here would as well. Enjoy!

The host is a bit too much imho but Jason is very polite, kind and informative. Thanks for this

Thanks LightBeam!
This has resonated greatly in me, never thought to think/focus this way, although seems evident (after I read it. ).
Even the notion to change a very sad event in such a way helped me already.

Hello Alex,

Thanks for your recent contrivution! I'm not the most active member of the forum, but I definitely follow Lumaza's thread, The Doorway, and saw your
other technique/contribution there as well, they are really nice. Cheers

Lumaza, thank you very much for your endeavour, for breaking down the process of phasing for us, presenting it as simply as humanly possible!

That's all really...

- Sit down
- Calm the mind
- Let go / let it flow

Fantastic remarks, fantastic thread! One of the most useful ones for me so far. Thanks, everyone!

"Passively observing" is definitely the best method. The first three emotions that cause trouble and have to be brought under control are Fear, Excitement and Sexual Desire. It is situations involving one or more of these emotions that make our early explorations short and complicated, leading to the idea that these are tests of sorts.

It can also take a number of attempts to find the correct mental "balance" in order to step fully into a scene and have it become "solid"; but it can be done. So don't get frustrated if it seems slow, just notice your progress as you get closer.

And of course, ask questions as they occur to you. This is truly a "work in progress".

EV

Thanks these can be really distracting for sure. In one way they can help as we can be more drawn into whatever we imagine, but in the meantime they are more than capable of interacting with the process by switching on physical aspects.

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meaning it's important, or it should be kept after it gets "solid" too? Or both?

Thanks very much to you too very insightful and important. Although I have only one comment. Lumaza passively observes the scene when entering the npr. Well I had some progress lately but I have yet to enter a scene yet. Although I guess and as I read other experiences/Xanth's book/etc, this passive observer status should be kept all the way from the start until the scene gets "solid". Eventually emotions might really be in the way.

Thank you as always

Hi All,

I'm interested in your opinion in the role of emotions in Phasing, I mean what are they important in a rundown/noticing to induce phasing at the start of a session?
Is it good if the rundown is full of them, or should they be avoided completely? Should there be a balance? Or are they totally irrelevant?
Thanks

Hello All,

In Hungary the disease is getting worse and worse, but I love quarantine. Didn't like the office and this new situation is sort of an opportunity that gives me more time for introspection/practice.
By the way, are there other Hungarians here? I'd love to know

That galactic Pensacola scene has been so close to me for some reason I cannot explain. I'll try to "phase" there one day.

And as a standalone here, I have been trying to AP/phase for a long time now and in the meantime I have been a Tai Chi practitioner too; I have achieved surprisingly deep states in that (not the ego speaking here, I have surprised myself too and I am really grateful for my achievement and want to tech that quite soon) - so I guess it is somehow the same process. I am really grateful for you guys and your really deep and helpful insights.

Nofarewell7, Overlap is a great term. That is what many of us refer to when we speak of dual consciousness, you are aware of here and there. Even a few seconds like you experienced shows you how possible it is to function in both 'worlds' at the same time. One of the problems with focusing on things like your eyes or body is just that - you are focusing on your physical self.
Try this, just for kicks. Instead of focusing on your actual body focus instead on an image you create of your body. Imagine your body laid out in front of you, doesn't even need to be complete. When I do this I see only an outline. Now let the image do whatever it wants, in other words be open to letting IT take the lead. See where that takes you.
Another thing, do not ever discount dreams. Quite often falling asleep IS the doorway you are looking for.

Hey thanks, I'll try this too asap! And yes, I never discount dreams, they are very important. Sometimes I learned from them. Had one lucid dream one time, it was a fantastic experience which affects me to this day. After all "dream" is just an expression for a type of consciousness which is very close (if not the same) to the one we pursue I guess.

It's because this physical reality here teaches you to become just that, "physical". With this practice here we are "rewiring" that teaching.

Lately I have been paying a lot of attention to the "no eyes" part of the process. At some point in this practice while noticing, it turns into "being". Noticing seems to be the wrong term, even though we use it quite a bit here. It's more about allowing and being aware than anything else.

CFTraveller and Contenteo said it right in these quotes found at this the link below.
Quote by CFTraveller
"I agree.  To put it another way, you don't use your eyes to look, you use the third eye or pineal gland- behind your eyes.  The difference may escape you if you don't have a vision screen, but when you get one, you'll see the difference- many a good clairvoyant vision has been ruined by engaging the physical eyes-in my experience."

Quote by Contenteo
" Noticing really implies the process of waiting until your visual cortex shuts down and you start using your "third-eye." I believe it is the act of thinking about the blackness, which is inherently non-physical, that actually acts as the catalyst in speeding up the phasing process.  

I personal hate the word "notice" because it passively implies using your eyes. For someone who just hears the term it ends up being very confusing. But alas, I guess that's inevitable for a language that bases itself in the tangible realm.
"
http://www.astralpulse.com/forums/welcome_to_astral_consciousness/how_to_gaze_at_the_blacness_during_noticing-t33879.0.html

WOW! Thanks! Before I get to the topic below I must say I am quite intrigued by the part where it says "I believe it is the act of thinking about the blackness, which is inherently non-physical, that actually acts as the catalyst in speeding up the phasing process." - so basically, instead of trying to desperately make out something with our eyes, should we imagine the blackness? There's still an ambivalence as it's harder to imagine how the seeing process comes that way - but then again it is my limitation, not the technique's. I guess I am still a bit lost between the realm of "seeing" and "imagining" - which should naturally combine into one I guess as the process deepens, but it is still a bit hard to imagine how seeing and imagining combined for the scene to finally come to life. The Third Eye thing is a bit far off for me at this point but makes absolute sense in the same time. Allowing and being aware - thanks for that too, that will help a lot as well.

The problem could be that you are putting too much emphasis on your focus. What really happens when you phase from a focused visual perception is that at some point you forget (or should forget) that you are actually physically focusing. This means you have now entered into a purely 'mind' state where what you see isn't even related to your physical vision anymore.

So when your eyes begin to drift or change focus you really don't even want to think about that. I notice my eyes tend to drift downwards and to the left so I just let them and that becomes my focus. I know all this sometimes seems counter-intuitive but since we make our own way discovering what works for ourselves it is totally intuitive.

What you are looking for is a balance between doing everything 'right' as per your understanding and doing what feels natural. Perhaps your eyes know something you don't.

ETA:  Trust yourself and not just who you think you are. Trust your body, your thoughts, your helpers and friends out there who may be guiding you unseen.

Revised/thought this over and over, I am reacting to this comment again as it is quite much on spot. I think my issue has always been about that borderline between waking and sleeping consciousness. Yesterday I went to the theatre, I was exhausted and I slipped to a phase where the physical and - let's say, Kepple's F2 (or F3) consciousness met only for a really brief period of time. I saw a friend for 2 seconds so vividly that I actually couldn't really keep my attention on the play for the rest of it; but rather thought about that vision which overlapped it. During practice for some reason I stay so much in the physical that I cannot lose my focus in the noticing/rundown exercise. Maybe it's because I am afraid that I lose my consciousness if I let it deeper, or because of other reasons, but many times it happened that I really prepared for it and "noticed" many things, blobs, colours but still never got deeper, the shift never came (although I think my consciousness really would let the noticing happen). But either stayed in the physical or fell asleep. Well I guess the extended doorway's study will help this (thanks for that too!) - also, if anything comes to mind, please share. I think I've never been more clear on the boundaries. Cheers

Nofarewell, I know you have read my Doorway thread, since you have already posted there yourself. I started talking about this exact thing in my July 27th 2018 post found there.
http://www.astralpulse.com/forums/welcome_to_astral_consciousness/the_doorway-t46013.150.html

The "defocusing" is a great sign. This shows that you are now undergoing a shift in consciousness faster than you "expect" Remember, it's important to loose any expectations and just observe for now. Don't fight it when your eyes defocus like this. I found the sensation that I experience during this to be extremely powerful. It felt like my head was going to explode. It doesn't last long though and when it is over, you will find that you are deep in a 3D depth, ala the "Void" scenario. Now, you can set your intent and be "there"!  

I guess in a way you can call this Phasing 102. I say 102 because this is what occurs when you practice, have patience and finally do persevere!   It's like you hit a whole new level now. Now you are seeing that it doesn't have to take so long to get to this point. All along, it was "you" that was getting in the way of your shift in consciousness.

Like Nameless said above, "you aren't physically focused anymore". You are now using your "Mind's eye" instead of your physical ones. This can happen almost immediately after you close your eyes to "notice" as well.  

Hi, yes, definitely, although I haven't gone through the whole thread, and that was a mistake as it seems. Thanks very much for this and your other advice, I'll read this part too. Forgot to switch notifications on for this thread but now it is done. Very strange how we can dismiss the signs of our progress to something else. Thank you for this very important insight!

The problem could be that you are putting too much emphasis on your focus. What really happens when you phase from a focused visual perception is that at some point you forget (or should forget) that you are actually physically focusing. This means you have now entered into a purely 'mind' state where what you see isn't even related to your physical vision anymore.

So when your eyes begin to drift or change focus you really don't even want to think about that. I notice my eyes tend to drift downwards and to the left so I just let them and that becomes my focus. I know all this sometimes seems counter-intuitive but since we make our own way discovering what works for ourselves it is totally intuitive.

What you are looking for is a balance between doing everything 'right' as per your understanding and doing what feels natural. Perhaps your eyes know something you don't.

ETA:  Trust yourself and not just who you think you are. Trust your body, your thoughts, your helpers and friends out there who may be guiding you unseen.

WOW thanks for this! This takes the tension off from this phenomenon and puts it to a far more important level and perspective, I really appreciate that! And very useful. Thanks a lot!

Hi All, first of all sorry if this was covered somewhere else but I haven't seen it anywhere yet.
I have an issue which I could only recognize approx 2 weeks ago when tried a form of scrying/phasing. When I try to focus on something with my eyes, after a relatively short period of time they change focus automatically, I feel I have no deliberate choice on this. This discovery lead me to question whether my relative slow progress so far was due to this phenomenon. It happens when my eyes are closed too, so when I try phasing, I think this inevitable and periodically occuring autorocus is responsible for not keeping the shapes/forms that should build up and take me deeper. What are your take on this? Have you discovered/suffered anything similar? Is there a neurological or any kind of explanation/ solution to this? I think this is the main reason why I am stuck in my progress. Thanks in advance!

Just discovered this, any other Tai Chi practitioners here who use the art for projection? I am planning to use it for my next sessions; I think it might greatly help with changing the focus.

I am answering for Lumaza because his computer is currently offline.

You can ask questions mentally during these sessions. It is an individual thing. For some people it works very well and they get immediate responses or results; for others, they may find that it disrupts their concentration a little too much. And it changes over time, depending on your development.

Don't be afraid to experiment.

Hi,
Thanks very much!I was curious if it's a total no go or could work, this is good news
I'll get back in case of any result. Also thank you for your answer regarding the music question in the other thread;
I guess these are grey areas that might work with some people. Cheers

Question regarding the technique: is it OK if I ask these questions mentally during the process? Like a mental dialogue? Tried it a few days ago, unfortunately I was awaken by someone but it went quite deep and I was actively asking about the doorway; as if the questions helped to get deeper. What do you think? Thanks in advance

This should help you greatly. Check this link out. It has many other links that deal directly with your problem here. I find much of this starts as "imagination", but somewhere along the way, it all changes!  
http://www.astralpulse.com/forums/welcome_to_astral_consciousness/the_doorway-t46013.0.html

Here are some more threads that I either created or shared some techniques in, in the past, that should keep you busy for awhile. They all have the same thing in common. Like Xanth says in his free E-book here, "it all has to do with strengthening your FOCUS!"
 http://www.astralpulse.com/forums/welcome_to_astral_consciousness/how_exactly_do_you_perform_the_phantom_wiggle_method-t44583.0.html
http://www.astralpulse.com/forums/welcome_to_astral_consciousness/cycling-t45973.0.html
http://www.astralpulse.com/forums/welcome_to_astral_consciousness/cloud_9_and_beyond-t44871.0.html
http://www.astralpulse.com/forums/welcome_to_astral_consciousness/practice_but_practice_what-t39372.0.html

Actually I have a question, one of the threads (http://www.astralpulse.com/forums/welcome_to_astral_consciousness/practice_but_practice_what-t39372.0.html) included a notion which raises a question: could/should I use music during phasing? The thread has a link to a Hans Zimmer ost collection. There are various binaural beats/Blisscoded sounds/ etc to help/induce, but more "commercial" music could help in phasing too? Do you have any experience with this? As a musician and someone who really loves music, I might use it if it is recommended. Thanks

This should help you greatly. Check this link out. It has many other links that deal directly with your problem here. I find much of this starts as "imagination", but somewhere along the way, it all changes!  
http://www.astralpulse.com/forums/welcome_to_astral_consciousness/the_doorway-t46013.0.html

Here are some more threads that I either created or shared some techniques in, in the past, that should keep you busy for awhile. They all have the same thing in common. It all has to do with strengthening your FOCUS!
 http://www.astralpulse.com/forums/welcome_to_astral_consciousness/how_exactly_do_you_perform_the_phantom_wiggle_method-t44583.0.html
http://www.astralpulse.com/forums/welcome_to_astral_consciousness/cycling-t45973.0.html
http://www.astralpulse.com/forums/welcome_to_astral_consciousness/cloud_9_and_beyond-t44871.0.html
http://www.astralpulse.com/forums/welcome_to_astral_consciousness/practice_but_practice_what-t39372.0.html

Thanks very much, really appreciated!

Actually, I found Scrying more difficult to do. Simply because you use a candle in the dark, so that you can kind of blank out any kind of distractions that were around you. It did teach me how to "hold" my focus on a singular target for a lengthy period of time. So, yes, it was beneficial.

For me, at the current period, phasing is really hard because I cannot really seem to know if I should "see" or imagine the actual images that would deepen my state of consciousness and I get confused during the process. I presume, scrying would be more evidential in a way of how the experience comes, I hope I am clear on this. Maybe I shouldn't try to distinguish this, just try to see further in the dark?