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I'm sorry to highjack this thread... but I literally put my back out reading this.

http://www.27bslash6.com/missy.html

A Shannon Production
An Epic Shannon Production

I can't stop laughing to type. This is my kinf of humor.
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I pretty much don't see any real difference between remote viewing and an OOBE either. It's just that the CIA and the military don't like to tell congress that they need millions of dollars to fund dreams.

Plus they probably thought that remote viewing sounded menacing to the Ruskies.

Nonetheless, at least there are 'places' such as this board in which such 'crazy stuff' can be shared and worked out right?  Now - in relation to my reply post, do you agree we are all real - because we are all - at our core, Consciousness?

Yes. I believe you are all Con's and therefor real. But objectively speaking, I still exist with out anyone else...that's all I meant.

I think that all dimensions affect each other to whatever degree - what we call the subconscious I understand is always aware regardless of what state of experience dream. AP etc 'I' am experiencing from my human perspective so what I do influences other states as much as other states influence what I do..in this..I guess we could call it a 'dominant reality' - this life package which wakes up every day in the physical universe.

I dream every night and while I dont remember details I do remember the necessary things.  I think dreams are most likely echos of AP experiences - echos because they are not experienced in detailed lucidity.

I also write music, songs and stories - and knowing what I do - it would be silly of me to think the alternate states have nothing to do with the process.

I think I would enjoy reading one of your stories or songs.

Sure we don;t have to see our self as being 'human' or 'higher self' in form or formless - indeed it serves us better that we dont - but that is very hard yes?

Yes, of course. I don't enjoy the thought of forced meds and a straight jacket.

From your "The 'Arcimboldo Sculpture' Experience" blurb...why there are even pictures!  So okay you are a great story-teller at least, so what are you saying exactly?

I'm not speaking for Beedeekin, but I can give you my interpretation of what I think he meant.

What is real? Are you real? If yes, then what are you? Are you a physical body or a consciousness or both, either or neither? Well, I'm going to argue that no part of you is real, not to me anyways. The only thing that I know without a shadow of a doubt exists, is my own consciousness.

For something to be real it must exist objectively. Meaning with or without our consciousness, it exists.

So if Beedeekin is real, then the same applies for him. If his consciousness never existed, that sculpture would not be here for me to see. But still, what I see is not my consciousness and only my consciousness is real. The sculpture is not real

You can see how this type of communication might confuse anyone right Ben?  I wasn't realising that you didn't think anything other than you actually believed you held and operated a real lightsaber...I am guessing most people who would read your blurb would think the same.

You're right about most people in general but not most people on this forum. You see Will, as much as we have all communicated with each other on this thread, it never gets to deviate from the your main focus. Mostly because you won't let it. That's cool, I understand the thread rules and all. But I understand a little bit about people too.

People like to discuss things...sometimes serious stuff and other times not. Many of us are fascinated by the same things but the problem is that we are not all completely serious about the same things. So topics on a thread can tend to wander and eventually evolve into a new beast. That's alright if your fascinated with the topic but it sux if your real serious about it.

I guess there's nothing wrong with that but what happens is that you miss out on getting to understand a person and what they are like and how they joke. In other words you don't learn anything about thier personality...as much as this particular medium allows anyhow.

Long story short, I think I new the gist of what Beedeekin was saying.

Welcome Buggz. Let me tell you that being able to have OOBE's when you try is worth giving up a lot for. So if your ready, you should find some motivation in that.

Why the motivation to finally register? Doesn't matter, I guess but glad you did.

Keep exploring.

It's hard to say it once... never mind type it!

I know you were metaphysically speaking. Just seemed a perfect time for a Matrix quote.

This thread although going out of its way of being the most ubiquitous in terms of communication, is the most lacking in communication I have ever experienced. 

Oh, I get it now. It seems we both missed the other one's joke, I was speaking metaphorically about metaphysics. This really proves your statement I believe.

I thought this was very funny.

Actually... all of his letters to different people are funny.

http://www.27bslash6.com/guns.html

For years I thought my grandfather felt strongly about everything but it turned out he was just deaf and gave a f@!& about very little.

My ribs hurt now. Thanks, I'm thinking about making that emblem my new avatar.

its_all_bad...

There is no tree

I was speaking metaphysicorically. Type that three times fast.

TOGS it is then haha
i have to say what an amazing site this is!

It was that or THONGS and I didn't know how that would go over.

Hello Theeongoingspirt! 

I'm thinking this one's gonna be TOGS for short.

Oh, welcome TOGS.

Certainly it appears the nature of individual experience is reflective of the individuals beliefs - it seems most travelers think that this is what is happening.
It may also be that when one is attached to their living body what they experience is fundamentally different than what will be experienced when their body dies and they no longer have the option of 'returning' to it.

There may also be a distinct difference between a trained ego experience and an untrained ego experience. 

From my observations it seems very clear that personal identification determines the nature of ones experiences even more than may be realized. 


There is no thing to be concerned about in knowing and thus identifying with 'that which has no beginning'. 

I imagine that once the realization that returning to our physical form is no longer possible,we will be freed to see more, for the lack of a better term.

My concern for you is that you may be missing the forest for the leaf, much less the leaves or the tree.

I certainly do not deem you crazy or off your rocker, well....no more than the rest of us anyhow.

I hope you continue to get better!

All the possibilities aside, I think one of the best points here is that while you saw her, your pain went away. Maybe you will see her again?

In my haste to be objective, I missed that point entirely.

Yeah im sure your right!  the medical prognoses also said that the particular psychosis that causes those symptoms are most often aggravate by the process they use. Thus giving the practitioners the illusion that the "evil spirit" is responding, where in fact its the psychosis being aggravated.

Actually, I now think you were right. Because the placebo effect works, the person will believe the experience is validated and close their mind to any other possibility.

A sucker for life, pity.

So you like shinies, do you? Are you a dragon? o_o?

Hehe, I had forgotten that I had posted this before.

About the Amethyst, I had kept it away from sunlight and didn't keep it against my skin. It would be on the outside of my shirt. Oh, and I'd take it off in the shower. So strange!

So, its_all_bad, have you ever unintentionally murdered an innocent crystal?

I don't think so unless I'm snuffing their energy by hoarding them for my childhood fantasy.

你好我的朋友! (Nǐ hǎo wǒ de péngyǒu!) / (Hello, my friend!)

So I had this completely random thought when thinking about this and I think I'm afraid of asking anyone to meet me in the astral. I don't wanna get astral raped. o_o;

I'm sorry Chops. You have made a comment about such a serious concern women have and all I can ask is the following dumb question. How do you get those squggigly lil' lines above the letters? Sorry, but it irks me not to know how.

Trig... *shudder* That class in High School was my bane. After that College level math classes were easy as pie.

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My opinion is completely opposite. I just do well with shapes. But only in human terms (not Ummo).

I didn't even look at anyone else's answer.

3 confused me and it was the only answer I could muster. 

When it comes to the nonphysical... to be lost.. one first needs to know where one is. so that sort of didn't enter my head.

Normally people say 'will I be able to get back to my body?' which yeah.. YES is the answer... and NO to your specific question. You will spend most of the time trying to stay 'out' before you ever worry about getting 'back' lol

Sorry if that's what you meant Dycfer. I thought you meant lost in a RTZ OOBE because it followed from Q2. 

Didn't you realize that we are competing for best answer prize? To heck with helping people, I want a $5 gift card to Wal-Mart.

No, I create and sell Handmade Dragon Sculpture named Elemental Dragons.

Being a Seer is only something my close friends and some family members know about!  

I should have realized this is not something you would exploit for money. Then again, I wouldn't consider it exploitation to help people and make a living at it. I hear you.

So now you understand I am serious.

Yes, so much so that is is concerning.

I experience the same thing as well. I awaken in the morning, but go though a series of awake/asleep and usually will go back to my last Dream or just find myself in a new Lucid Dream.

Besides that, I do a Phase Session once in the afternoon and once at later at night for now. When I am travelling vending in my Renaissance Faires, I usually just do the one Phase Session in the evening.

One time in a Motel in Kansas, we had the window in our room open for air circulation and it was very windy outside. Everytime the wind blew the curtain opened just a bit, that outside light flashed right in my face. This constant flashing in my eyes caused multiple Lucid Dreams that evening. Probably more than I have ever experienced before.

What role did you have in the fair? A seer perhaps?

Yeah, I didn't really think there was much chance of CC escaping your attention but just in case.

Not to hijack your thread (but it was your first post that reminded me of this), do you think there was something to that little box at the top of that tripod he built or was that a red herring that he provided to throw us off track?

Also, I heard that he would always know if someone was trying to sneak up on him to watch his work but he always stopped unless they were kids. Was this true?

Your post reminded me of Coral Castle. If you haven't already heard about it, you should check it out. All the great pyramids could have been built in a day if everybody working on them knew what this guy knew.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1964737/posts

Oops theorem not theory. Sorry I am living on lack of sleep today. I still have several of my math books from my college text books. I will look through them and try to refresh my mind. I have yet to take Trigonometry but I have taken college algebra. I have been a non traditional student the past few years but had to take medical leave because I could not focus on my studies while I am healing.

I've taken college algebra too and that is far more difficult than trig in my opinion. I barely passed it and that's only because a high D is considered passing on some courses that aren't oriented towards your major. Also, I'm a big believer in the benefits of one educating themselves in a non traditional schooling environment.