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Thanks Barnowl. A $1 price is a bargain for anything that the writer or creator has worked hard on and wants to makes a sincere difference in people's lives. But when it becomes free, all doubt concerning the motive is erased.

I will review it and give you my take but even though it will be sincere and honest it may not be constructive. But that's because I do not know much.

Oh yeah. I forgot!! HAHA

Yeah... I will add that maybe 'the astral how it is usually portrayed or commonly written about'... because it's evident that the nonphysical environment is 'the Astral'.

I will also add that I have subconsciously dreamed about glitzy starry fractal-like worlds... also I have experienced this type of thing through DMT and Salvia Divinorum.

Can you please explain what a fractal is to me? I have looked it up but the definition or at least how I understood it, doesn't square with how I see it used. Not by you but in MBTOE as well.

I'm a bit dense at times and you have a good way of making sense of certain things for me (I would call you a genius again but for reasons that I don't understand, you successfully convinced me otherwise).

There's two things that stand out so far.
The technology they refused giving is one subject I've already commented on and the fact that manking is not ready for it is my answer too. Nuclear power generation is an example. Bombs... This technology if correctly made and cryogenics added would damage the galaxy we exist in.
The other point mentioned is the phase angle of existance in 3D. I had a difficult time explaining a fourth dimension to a small group of initiates in our art. I eventually explained the extra dimension utilising a set of blinds. The ones found at windows.
I'll continue reading.

A reasonable person will look at this and say it's convenient for both the Ummites or a hoaxer to say that the science is too advanced for us to grasp at even an elementary level and therefore any attempt will not begin to come close to conveying the true complexity. That could be the truth but....The Ummites can look at where we are wrong and what we are missing and then explain the smallest reasons one by one. Then point by point we can begin to comprehend the science so that we aren't trying to do calculus with only a mastery of arithmetic.

But even though the Ummites knew their attempt in giving us some sort of example would be in vain, they still gave it a try. When even our most advanced mathematicians and physicists failed to understand their example, it conveniently affirmed the Ummite's or the hoaxer's warning about our inability to comprehend the science.

Then consider their philosophical and ethical reasoning for not correcting our science step by step and it too becomes convenient for both. The truth is that we always exploit every breakthrough large or small in our sciences and look for ways to militarize the new knowledge. For a species that insists on killing each other at every turn, it makes ethical sense to not give us this tech and knowledge.

It is only possible to prove or disprove anything within our current limit of understanding a given subject. We know for certain and without the shadow of any logical or illogical doubt that yesterday has already happened and is in our past. But only because we are incapable of understanding it to be true in any other way, we consider it crazy to even contemplate another circumstance. This, I believe, is the definition of a belief trap.

Isn't convenience inconvenient at times?

Indeed i really do like the thoery i think i read somthing similar in Xanths PDF it makes alot of sense

Aside from the doc you are working on, what are your interests in AP or OOBE? Are you trying to intentionally have one?

Itsallbad...thats a cool concept on LD & AP

It isn't my own concept but I came across it her on this forum and it is what really makes sense to me right now. Different people feel different but that's fine.

It doesn't diminish the wonder of it at all. It just proves that everybody can do this and that everybody does do this.

It was both.

Personally, the only difference I see now is the amount of awareness during the experience.

Did you feel as if this was really happening in the physical or did it seem like a normal dream?

If it seemed like a normal dream than this should show you how wrong the mainstream is about dreams.

oh it's the same. I have experienced some very violent SP with tremendous fear. Like I was bing electrocuted by the devil. I think this is why I associated the SP he experienced with SP. It's pretty much exactly what he experienced... and didn't like it.

It's enough to make people think they are having a seizure and report an alien abduction.. in some cases.

Evidently I have been allowed to be as independent as I like.

Yes, but it wasn't your destiny to write MBTOE. It was your destiny to reveal it me though and I appreciate that.

He didn't like the SP or the actual exit? Was the SP manipulated or the moment of exit? To me, there is a difference but I have never felt any sensations that scared me during their onset nor have I felt the exiting sensations like Robert Bruce describes.

http://books.google.co.nz/books?id=RYHtBPiZVgsC&printsec=frontcover&source=gbs_ge_summary_r&cad=0#v=onepage&q&f=false

pages 98-99

I really love this book.

Interesting.

I perceived that as him describing the violent vibrations of Sleep Paralysis.

It's funny how we all interpret things differently. 

He said they intensified dramatically to deter him from trying it on his own. It may have been SP but X's 5 according to his description

Haha, Brooks DID write it after all, hahaha! xD

Listening to a good parody makes me want to write them again. *guilty look*

I really appreciate all the support. It's a pretty new thing for me.

Don't I feel dumb. But everything else part still stands so I'm not gonna edit my dumb mistake out.

Chops, what a rip off.

Brook's cover of your cover already had over 225,000 hits!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Your a star in my sky. The audience really get it as well. Remember us little guys rockstar

Good innit?   

Maybe he has changed it. It seemed to me that he was shown the SP and didn't like it.

He said that as a child his guardians would come to him and help him get "out" only he would experience a black out before he did. He asked them why and they said that it was extremely uncomfortable and so they caused the black out to help him out easier.

He said he didn't care and wanted to know how he could do it on his own. They finally agreed and told him how. The next time he did it and he said his he experienced violent contortions and such and always helped him every time after that.

He realized later as an adult that they had deceived him so he wouldn't "abuse" the ability.

Thank you, now I know what it will feel like lol. Hopefully I my exp. wont end quickly. I hate that. it's always because of fear of the unknown.

I had that problem in the physical in my younger days.lol

I don't identify with anything astral except for conversation or posting.

So are you male or female?

I'm not obliging in any way... just wondered. 

  :-oMaybe you shouldn't ask? Cause I just read of an encounter you had on another thread....

Did it feel like static? Cause once I projected, and I found my self in an orchard. There are orchards all around my house, that's why I'm so scared to go outside. While I was in the orchard there was this person walking. when I seen her i sent some energy towards her. It literally shocked me, and I was like ok. Then she came running at me, after that it ended.

Don't forget that I only held the beings hand. It was more of an emotional feeling of unconditional acceptance and trust. In hindsight, this was overwhelming and I may have felt like i did not deserve this trust. I have a hard time describing my physical sensations but it was a definite tingle.

We are our own worst judge.

Guys, to be honest I've never hear of anybody actually having astral sex, involving two real projectors. Usually, people describe astral sex as lucid dream sex - when you have sex with your brain Is this really possible to have a joined projection? Everybody says so confidently that it is, but is your claim based on your own experience, or just what somebody else has said? Is there a person on here who actually met a real person in their AP and later that person confirmed it?

I'm an experienced projector, I've had literally hundreds of OOBE's since I was 6. I often have OOBE's without even trying or doing anything - they happen when I go to sleep. But, I still haven't had any proof that OOBE is anything but another form of remote viewing / dream that allows you to perceive things from this world with high accuracy.

I've never met anybody in any circumstance that I felt they still had a physical body elsewhere. The energies I was referring to did not even seem human though they projected that image to me.

I would never say that I did something if I didn't experience it in the astral. I've probably had close to a thousand OOBE's and you may very well be more "advanced" than me as far as what is capable and what you have learned but one thing I know is that my experiences are real though the beings may not always be.

Well....



I don't think we've ever had a proposition like this before.

I have never 'knowingly' done it with another projector... but it was amazingly realistic. Beyond just a physical description... yet very physical in the same token.

I asked if she was one of those people that used the astral for sex and she nodded.. I had to tell her we were in the 'astral' and then she jumped on me. Interestingness ensued.  

Problem is I spent the next 4 months or so pursuing it 2 to 3 times a week. It was that good. 

Beedeekin is all bad.

Did you engage in the interestingness as you would have in the physical? If so, I hope you used some white light energy trojan shields for protection.

Seriously though, how did you view it? Physically the same or more "spiritual"?

I just read where Tom Cambell said that he had been blocked off for years as a child because his guardians were concerned that he would not grow normally.

He even mentioned that they deceived him in to believing that a conscious exit was much more uncomfortable then it really was.

I'm not done reading the trilogy yet but I think he is trying to imply that he has been chosen or groomed to be the revealer of truth or something like that. I'm not finished but so far MBTOE is excellent reading.

This is just some advice. You should say which gender you are and to which you are appealing. If it doesn't matter to you, that's great and shows you have a much better and open mind than I do because I am still only open to the idea of sex with the opposite sex in any realm, space, time, dimension, universe, or combination thereof.

I only say this because my view may have cost me a great opportunity a few years ago. My view of astral sex was doing the nasty as it is here in the physical. I encountered a large group of glowing energies that would merge and glow brighter than the sun.

When I asked one of them what they were doing, the energy took the form of a beautiful woman and told me they were engaging in astral sex. She asked me if I wanted to join and I said sure and she took my hand. Just that touch was great. As we neared the larger group I noticed that men were holding hands with men and I flipped out.

Not because I cared about the personal choices others make but it wasn't for me and I felt like I was being tricked. I backed out and I have always regretted it since.

I see it more now as just a merging of energy but my current mindset will probably not change enough any time soon.

Yes and no.

What I'm really looking for is an OBE type that allows me to validate my experience. I want to KNOW that what I am experiencing is more than just "in my head". At this point I "believe" this is all real but I want to "know it in my bones".

On the other hand, at this point ANY OBE would be a step in the right direction.

Beyond my lucid dreaming, I have had one experience, while listening to a Monroe hemi-sync track, where I had a strange loud buzzing (which at the time I thought was a problem with my headphones) and a bar of bright green light filling the lower third of my visual field. It all lasted for about a minute and I discovered later that it was the pre-cursor to an OBE. Since then, nothing.

Believing that the experience is real certainly helps but it's not a prerequisite. Why we can have an OOBE and where we go or even if we go anywhere is up for debate. What isn't up for debate is that a non physical reality exists independent of our imaginations or not. In other words, whether or not we believe it exists or even if we exist doesn't matter, the non physical reality exists.

Lucid dreaming will do little to validate an experience in the sense you are looking for but don't let that hinder your progress as I did for so many years. Good luck.

It's a dichotomy isn't it?

On one hand we focus ourselves away from physical sensations... on the other an OOBE can be instigated by another awareness of the other nonphysical physical.

Most of my experiences are tactile.

My involuntary phantom limbs that rise out during SP are very different than my nonphysical voluntary movement. The phantom limbs move as though in slow motion... the voluntary nonphysical limbs move and feel almost exactly like my physical limbs.

It certainly is. On one hand, we're losing all awareness of our physical body while simultaneously we are aware that our astral or etheric body is not our physical body and do all this thinking without completely destabilizing the experience. It's a simple yet complicated juggling act of our consciousness.

I have never felt the sensations of phantom limbs but I read somewhere that imagining you have no body at all can help. Just do this long enough to stop the feeling. Good luck.

Well, it turns out that modern physics is based upon a bunch of "assumptions" (just like math). One of these assumptions is that light has properties of both a particle and a wave. For certain situations, light is best described as a particle, and others a wave. But the interesting thing is that we don't truly know what light is, we only know its properties.

So when the light is turned off, I visualize the light as photons or waves streaming out into the universe until they hit something and give it energy.

Also, I don't think there is any quantifiable "darkness"...just the absence of light.

It's good to know that the next generation of physicists are willing to question some of the "truths" that aren't.

Will, it's hard to imagine that certain light waves can exist and without an obvious source in a completely darkened room but like you say some wavelengths of light are not visible to our eye. And it's a huge fallacy to think we know all the wavelengths and possible sources.

Science doesn't measure how cold something is, they measure the lack of heat. So don't get freaked out the next time you go outside and experience a sensation that gives you goosebumps, makes your teeth clatter, gives you perky nips, and see your breath. This is called cold and cold is real.

I find your interpretation and the "transition" quite beautiful and similar to my own beliefs in ways. I believe that we should not fear death so long as we are good and always thrive to be better.

We must be sure though to not look forward to death lest we miss out on an opportunity to grow here and enhance our next existence in our next reality.

All in all, you should have a lot of beauty and wonder waiting.

It may just represent the death of some belief you hold. Which would also mean the birth of another or a new way of thinking.