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In any case, my belief has changed recently and I now believe 99.9% that Frank died back in 2005.

~Ryan

How come?

It may not have been Kundalini, but a powerful rising, vibrating sensation from the lower back is probably the most prominent symptom of the first Kundalini episode a person experiences. Some paralysis has been reported, but seems it seems to differ by the individual.

I experience this huuuge vibration up my back and out of my head on EVERY obe.

If youre into the science side of things, check out the 3 book series by Thomas Campbell called "My Big TOE"

I havent read them yet but ive heard they are excellent.

This is not to prove whether ghosts exists or astral projecting or OBEs exist.

Then the title of this post is a bit misleading then.  To verify something (OBE Verification Test) is to prove it.  It should say "Object on Desk Verification Test"

If you are only interested in Phasing, then you may be in for a long and bumpy ride as from my experience, it is not easy - although of course this may not be the case for you.

Projection is Projection, no matter which way you achieve it.  If phasing is easier for you, do phasing. If traditional methods are easier, do them.

I dont see why one is "better" than the other.  There is more than one way to skin a cat.

Lucidoligy method is not phasing either.\

If you are only interested in Phasing, then you dont need to look any further than the Frank Kepple resource on this site as to my knowledge there is nothing else more comprehensive on phasing technique.

Also look for Xanths post about Frank Kepple posts.  He has compiled all 85billion (it seems) Frank posts into one bite sized FOOKING MAAHOOOOSIVE document.

For me, that's just one of MANY stories/experiences that, as you said, are proof enough for me. 

~Ryan

Definately. 

While I may have "believed" in OBE's and various other things, it wasnt until I experienced it that I knew beyond all doubt.  I think if people are wondering if their OBE was real, then it possibly wasnt an OBE!  For me, there is no mistaking the feeling.  Before I experienced OBE's I may also have posted a thread like this asking for someone to prove it to me, however now I dont need them to.  Stories definitely create belief, but proof only comes from personal experience in things like this (non-physical things), in my opinion.

If you're capable of keeping your thoughts, emotions and expectations from getting in the way, you should *technically*, in theory, then be where you need to to see this object.

I think I disagree with this.  Why "technically" should you get to where you need to be?  You say subconsciously I already know where Jay lives - how is this the case?  These questions arent a "bitchy" response or anything, I genuinely dont know the answers and would like to hear your views. 

Also, I read somewhere (cant remember where but may also be Robert Peterson) that alot of scientifically tested verifications fail to provide accurate results - one example was a guy who had to verify an object in an adjoining room (an American Flag).  When he returned back to body, he drew a rectangle with a box in the top left.  Obviously this represents the US flag which is a successful verification, however the US flag is one of the most recognizable visual objects in the world, yet this experienced projector could not "see" it clearly and did not know it was the USA flag.  This shows the differences between physical and non-physical perception.

And lets not forget, when we have an OBE/AP we do not use physical eyes, and therefore our vision is not limited to the specific workings of a physical eye.  When we use physical eyes to look at something, the same thing happens EVERY time - light travels, hits the eye, the eye submits signal to the brain etc etc - like a machine.  What happens when we view something with non-physical eyes?  Nobody knows!  There is nothing physical to dissect and work out how it works.  So even if we do get into the exact location (which I still dont think would be easy unless its a person or a location we know), the test would still "fail" because the object seen may appear different to physical reality.

Still, its a great test and I hope people do try it - I just wouldnt count this kind of thing as "proof" because either a right or a wrong guess could be achieved in many ways and even a wrong guess could actually be a successful verification but with the object perceived differently, such as the USA flag example above.

Have a read of the free ebook at http://obe4u.com/
Among other things, it has some very good advice about overcoming blindness in the early stages of OBE by touching and focusing on nearby objects. It helped me a lot...

(page 99 is where you can find the specific information)

I second the recommendation of this ebook

The test is to see if one can travel to a place that is real (defined by the physical world we see now) and verify that they have seen something that is really there. Kind of like remote viewing. I in no way doubt that you cannot OBE ( or that it's not possible).

I have indeed traveled to a real place when OBE and I have also verified - I do not need anyone to believe me as the experience itself is verification enough for ME.  But like I said, while these kind of experiments are interesting, I think it is highly unlikely that simply by posting a picture of a desk which could be anywhere, that anyone will have success projecting there.

In Robert Petersons book "Lessons out of the body" he states the following which I have summarised into the problem headings without going into the actual text.  He uses an example where "John" but lets call him "Jay" asks him via email to verify an object in Jay's home.  The words in brackets are mine and not from the book:

*Problem 1 - I dont know where Jay lives
*Problem 2 - (Lets say Jay lives in Cleveland) How do I get to Cleveland (walk, run, fly, Teleport)?
*Problem 3 - (Lets say I decide to fly) How do I find Cleveland?
*Problem 4 - (Lets say I know Cleveland is 1000 miles west) How do I find Jay's street in Cleveland?
*Problem 5 - (Lets see I have Jays address) How do I find Jays exact House?
*Problem 6 - (Lets say I find Jays house) How do I find the desk inside the house?
*Problem 7 - There are differences between physical reality and the reality experiences when out of body (ill mention this more in a second)
*Problem 8 - If I find the desk and observe it, I am depending on memory alone (cannot takes notes) which could distort what really is seen
*Problem 9 - What constitutes as "proof"?  (how can you REALLY verify the truth?  It could be a guess or some other form of ESP etc)

Going back to problem 7 - which I think is the main problem assuming all of the other preceding ones are resolved - is that (IMO) when you are out of body, you are not wandering around the actual physical world, but a very close "replica" operating on a different level of vibration or consciousness.  This introduces reality fluctuations meaning that if the object you want me to view is a red cup, I may see it as a green vase.  This doesnt mean the experiment has failed, but highlights the problem with the differences of physical (stable) and non-physical (fluid) realities and the issue of obtaining proof.

Personally, I do (or did) understand the need for verification so I totally understand your reasons for this "test" however once you experience an OBE (you may or may not have) then the whole verification thing is meaningless because you will KNOW.

I suggest, if you are hell bent on verification, to get it yourself by conducting your own experiment in your own locale.  At the end of the day, who do you need to prove this to?  Only yourself.

To highlight this, I going to literally guess at the object - if I am right then you can see "proof" is silly because it was just a guess.  If I am wrong, well it doesnt matter because the chances of me being wrong but also succeeding in the test are also high based on the above problems, especially reality fluctuations.

I think [rubs temples and hums]...[more humming]...[oh an itch, scratch my balls]...[more humming]....AHA!! Its a blue phone.  Or is it a plant?

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I see a few posts from a while ago talking about an AstralPulse newsletter.  Is this still active or has Adrian binned AP for his new forum?

I got 101 and 102.

While I think alot of what he says makes sense logically, I think he appears to have become one of those Internet Self Help type marketers.  If you check out his forums, you will see that success is clearly not as easy using his methods as he makes out.

If you want to save a bit cash, but get what in my opinion will help you more, go to www.vehram.com and buy his Out of Body eBook for $10.  I had my first OBE's using this method.

I thought it might be fun to try to do the 90 day guide again.

but alas, i lack the motivation to stick to it.  i got through day 1 and quit.  lol  

I know what you mean.  I bought MAP and was excited to try.  But I personally cannot motivate myself to stick to it for 90 days.  I also feel that everything in the book could be done in 30 days.  In one way, I like that RB has slowed it down to allow people more time, but on the same note, it actually feels like he is dragging it out.  Whether or not an OBE happens using his methods in 90 days or even a year is irrelevant as this will depend largely on the person,  the point for me is that the whole process seems drawn out too much.

There are all sorts of issues attached with traveling to a specific location, and I personally think it helps if you actually know the place and in particularly the feel of the place / person you want to visit.  I doubt very much anyone can just say "take me that there desk from the picture" and will be in your home.  There are probably 100's of thousands of desks like that one, so why would you be taken to yours specifically?   

I'm all for experiments such as this one, however when a random internet bod asks people to verify the reality of OBE by going to his house, the chances of success are (IMHO) ridiculously small.  Verification tests are best done in closer locales and/or which the OBEer knows well so they can actually find the thing!  For example I did a verification test in my own home with my wife verifying it - I know where I live so this was a good start.

Besides, if you want to verify OBE realness, practice and have one yourself.  I promise you will never doubt their realness again.

Hopefully this post will help you:

http://www.astralpulse.com/forums/welcome_to_the_astral_faq/how_to_enter_the_astral_from_a_dream-t19319.0.html;msg166212#msg166212

This is a good post, however in my (limited) experience, transitioning a LD to a OBE is a piece of cake which takes nothing more than a thought.  The difficult part is becoming Lucid in the first place!  I have read a few things about this (Stephen LaBerge - Lucid Dreaming etc) but still cannot regularly Lucid Dream.  So far I have a 100% success rate in transitioning LD's to OBE's just by thinking about going back to my body and having an OBE.

I think to accompany your post Kodemaster, a supplementing link on how to achieve lucidity would be beneficial...maybe www.ld4all.com/guide.html

I think this is a decent article with a good technique - its very similar to what has worked for me. 

I personally think you may be correct.  I have no personal experience of this but I think things are not comprehensible to our brains - things like infinity for example, however I dont think we will have trouble grasping this when we die.

The real world has so much to offer without listening to kooks on this site who obviously have serious issues in their daily lives they probably need to run away from by trying to enter another 'state'. 

If the "real world" has so much to offer, what are you doing trolling on Forums which you have no interest in?

Get real people and fine something better to do with your lives.

Should we start spending our energy discrediting something we clearly have no clue about like you? Way to have a purpose in life mate.

I have read somewhere that when visualizing, to visualize to the right, left, above or below the black space in front of the eyes and not directly ahead.  I dont recall why this is, but I guess its something to do with using your visualization abilities as opposed to your actual vision.

Anyway, whenever ive tried this, I always have trouble maintaining the visualization.  The other day I thought about what would happen if instead of visualizing in these areas, I actually put my point of view there instead.  So I tried this.  I started a visualization off to my right, then I swapped places with the visualization, so I was now off to the right of my field of view, watching the visualization from this point and looking back towards where my field of view would be, if you know what I mean.  Within a few seconds I lost all body awareness and was actually "in" my new location off to the right of where my eyes would be looking.  Im not sure if im explaining this well, but it certainly seemed to be the most powerful visualization method ive tried.  Because I was taken aback at this very sudden shift of view point, I jerked back to my normal perspective very quickly, as is normally the case with me, however I think with more practice this could become a great way for me to lose body awareness.

Just wondering if anyone has done anything similar to this and what the results were etc?

It seems from my own experience that my body position is a huge factor in whether I will project, so just wondering if there is a common preference?

If you haven't read it, get a copy of Adventures Out of the Body - William Buhlman. 

Personally, I think its better than Astral Dynamics / MAP for practical advice.  AD makes the whole thing seem harder than it actually is, which can create mental blocks.  90-days I think is seriously dragging the process out.  I think its all good experience of course, but it doesnt need to be such a long drawn process to get out of body.  If you think it will take ages, it will.

My friend,

demons really exist. In exorcism rituals, humans begin to talk in native languages they have never learned. Demons are so real and they roam everywhere. People criticize me always here because of these things as if I am providing proof. The proof is only provided by God and noone else. The point is astral projection is just something we see, whether it is in our minds or not is a question that cannot be solved scientifically right now. HOWEVER, there is a suicide involved that someone took an astral projection book, had a dream and ended up dead.

Doesn't that wake you up people?? Or have your egocentric pride so blinded you that a life like Pancha's son does not count anymore???

Dreams are a way to the spiritual world. In that spiritual world, demons, angels, good and evil EXIST 100%. I have personal proof of that. But this proof cannot be given among men, it has to be asked of God.

I challenge everyone, go in your room and ON YOUR KNEES. Pray to GOD (whether you believe in Him or not, whether you know who He is or not does not matter) and say "MY GOD IF YOU ARE REAL SHOW ME THE TRUTH" and I promiss my friends you will be surprised.

This astral projection stuff is a gateway to the spiritual world, you are crossing into the unknown and you are not equipped with GOD.

This is the last thing I would say about it and the choice is yours at the end.

God bless you all friends!

Geass, not wanting to beat a dead horse, but EVERYTHING you are saying is reinforcing what some of us are saying!  Surely if Demons existed they would be objective, yet people who DO NOT believe in them, never see them.  I completely believe you when you tell me these things exist for you, because i'm sure they do.  But for you to say they exist objectively is basically preaching.  You are only speaking from your point of view, which I've already said *could* have created these demons.  The very fact (which you stated) that these things only affect believers should be proof enough for anyone reading this, that these things only exist if you think they do - your mind creates them.  Im sure your "proof" is fantastic!  But it only applies to you.

I think if you believe in a god, or demons, or hairy monsters who try to get you when OOB or dreaming, then you will indeed find them. 

As I said, and has been said by others - geass even said it when he said that "demons" only attack people close to God.  In other words those who BELIEVE in them.  These (IMO) are created simply out of your belief.  Your consciousness is capable of creating anything you want, or dont want as the case me be.  For example, when OOB, just thinking about your physical body brings you back to it.  Likewise, thinking of flying makes you fly.  If you have demons on the mind, then you will indeed see demons and the more your fear takes over, the more your mind increasingly makes them more scary until the point when your own fear makes the demons do the worst thing you can think of.  Its the thought alone which makes this happen.

In my opinion...

Dude, try your first relationship getting cheated on for the whole time (3 years, with actual people not astral characters) and then tell me your dealing with issues. I can tell you with full confidence that this girl will not be a long term issue for you unless you make it one. At the time you worry about losing her but when shes gone you'd be surprised how quickly the pain passes. Someday youre gonna look back and wish you didn't allow yourself to be stepped on like this, trust me, your not really losing anything when someone who hurts your feelings is out of your life.

Exactly.

Dont you think its funny how people who believe in negative spirits and good vs evil and monsters and demons...are the only ones to experience them OOB? Those who don't beleive dont seem to have any problems... hmmmmm

Listen, mate.  You need to get a grip.  Sorry to be so blunt but take a look at what you are saying.  Dont ever let a woman make you feel like you want to die.  You might think you love her THAT much, but trust me you dont.

Im guessing by what you are saying that you are fairly young?  I know you may not see the relevance of your age if you are indeed young then this may seem really hard to accept but this is part of life.  Trust me, I have had faaar worse issues with a woman than you are having now, but it passes and things get better.  Now ive never been happier.  Whether or not you end up with this person is irrelevant, even though it seems like your whole life, its all part of learning and progressing.  Learn from it what you can and move on.