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Classic OBE. But yep, sorta hits on the point I've been trying to make here. It's an amazing experience and worth it to develop but it's most likely all in your own mind. Ergo you move stuff in your OBE and see it move, and when you return to "real life" it's not moved.

Sorry guys.

I'm not arguing against the premise that this is all in our consciousness. In fact, I agree. I'm trying to learn if our consciousness is much more than we could imagine. Right now, I view our brains as a computer and they give us the ability to link up with the physical world, the physical being just one server that can link us to the internet. The non physical is another server that links us to the the internet. The internet being everything. I want to know, what happens when we lose our computer. Since our brains are physical, something else is driving our NPR experiences.

Of course, I could be full of crap and I don't discount that possibility. And I'll move on to something else if I start to feel that way. Jesus, is my fail-safe back up. That may sound blasphemous but if you take Christianity at it's word, I'll only need one second to repent. And I got my prayer down pat that I only need a nano sec to say it. If this is all bunk, at least we spent our time sleeping to have cooler dreams that the average joe. That's got to count for something in my book.

A general question.
Has anyone using a phone with headphones for music etc. on a long term daily basis ever had a headache, you may find short term memory also affected?
Its something that occured and a thought didn't take long for the attachment of the filter. Not had a headache since.
Nothing else was different from the norm apart from the new smart phone.
It may be related. It cost a packet and its never left anywhere, unlike the previous basic one.

I've been suffering from migraine headaches since I was 10. I'm 34 now. But i did actually notice a decrease in their severity but not in their frequency when I use a cell often. I'm not a big talker on the phone but It's hard to get around.
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Emotions and technology aside, the premise of this idea was/is destined to fail. Man has evolved to only react to immediate threats. Sure we can recognize long term dangers and even take some action but the need to deal with the T-REX lurking outside the cave has to be dealt with now or tomorrow won't matter.

The problem is that there is always another T-REX to deal with. This need has served us so well that it has to be considered as a evolutionary trait.

Ya think? Hmmmm   

I know... it's weird. I didn't think anything of it when I put it together. I was sort of wanting to appeal to those who 'suffered' from SP as well as giving a 'No BS' portrayal of what it is commonly like.

I'm glad it helped... in some way. haha

We all have to respect that. People would have been more upset if they were expecting peace and tranquility with pleasant imagery and then had the real experience of what most of us encounter during SP. You can't win for losing on this one.

Grey- So do I. My mind began to wonder about what to do with all those punks and Charles Bronson came to mind. "Death Wish 3" particularly.

Beedeekin- What do your friends, family, and co-workers think about your concealed weapons permits? I imagine it's something similar to this, whether or not they admit it: "For crying out loud. If the yanks will allow a foreigner who believes he has OOBE's, to legally carry a gun, they'll let anybody."

I forgot to mention something. I watched these videos about a week ago. And they seriously set me back. The info was great. But man the imagery...

Anyways, that same night, I woke in the physical while I was in SP and it was 1998 all over again. I even prayed to Jesus for the first time in a long time. Granted, it worked but I also quickly realized after the initial rookie mistake (I've been enjoying SP for years) of panicking what was actually happening.

I'm in no way trying to discount the power of prayer or Christianity. I always reserve the right to repent and beg for forgiveness should I begin to feel different.

For me this was a humorous experience after the initial fear and I quickly went back to sleep.

Is seeing auras a natural ability that we all have but is undeveloped or do we need to have a special predisposition to it, like having other abilities that are considered physic in nature?

One thing I've learned is not to try and force it. Half the time, if I can't achieve it within the first thirty minutes or so, I just try to go to sleep and then it almost always comes on it's own. The irony is that we do the same things just to fall asleep only our goal is to sleep and not to have an OOBE.

But we can't discount the benefits of purposely trying because it put the "subconscious" on notice that it has some work to do. And work it does.

What you described was a very typical OBE for a first timer. Luckily, you kind of knew what to expect so you didn't let fear overwhelm you.

Don't be disappointed in your inability to move objects in the non physical. None of us are superhuman. I know some people claim to have this ability and I believe that some probably do. That ability however, is not even remotely one of my goals.

I don't really understand all the chakras and what they do but I'm sure it's beneficial to know. I'm glad to see that you have a sound beginners attitude. I didn't. And for years, I was really ignorant to what was happening.

It's up to you but I would recommend not telling everybody you know about your experience. It's not as if there is anything to be ashamed of but close-minded people are not easily convinced or even care for that matter.

Stick around. There's lots of good help here.

If I understand you correctly, then what you described happened to me many times when I first started trying to AP with intent. I would get caught up in the narrative (which is the goal) and I would suddenly snap out of it. I would speak in the physical, and say the actual words that I would have said next in my mini-dream, only it sounds like you were in a lucid dream. If this happens to you again, don't open your eyes if you can help it. Try to go immediately back into your dream and it should be easier to catch your awareness. If so, you can continue the lucid or proceed to the astral.

Also, I know a lot of people find it hard to AP while laying in any position other than their back. I have a bad back so that simply isn't possible for me as it can get to be unbearable. If there is no reason why you can't lay on your back than it's a pretty good idea to keep trying that way. However, you were lying on your side when this occurred. Hint. Hint.

I wrote this after watching the latest documentary on the West Memphis three. That story is a real tragedy on so many levels. Arkansas screwed the pooch on this one.

No tree can deem itself unworthy of the next season's growth,
nor
a forest for the tree.
Yet,
the stronger can choke out the weak with it's roots.
Taking just what it needs to grow, can leave too little for another.
This too,
is the forest of man.
Whereas,
a tree can not withdraw it's roots,in search of fertile land,
a man can.
The bark of a tree is it's cover.
The cover of man is choice.
Strip a tree of it's bark-
and a man of his will
and
you will learn of defiance.
Bare,
they both stand strong.
Still deserving of the next day's light.
Let no ax fall onto either,
judged fit of only the fire.

A.Dreamer--The first time you apply a method, you are no longer inexperienced. I hope you give AP'ing a sincere try. The only thing you have to lose is an old mindset. And trust us, you'll be happier with the new one. Not that you're not happy now.

When I project, I usually "go" to a reality that is the same as the one I left. If it's night time in the real, it's night time in the NPR as well. This is not true for a regular dream though.

I've read many experiences in which the person described changing the scene from night to day. I know that's easy to do but I'm so pragmatic that I try not to change much consciously. But I've not had much luck with that either.

Has anybody had the night shift to day or the other way around without intent?

I've never been big into meditating or energy work but I'm thinking about it. Like the Lion said, it is all about relaxing and meditation is certainly one way to do that.

But if you view what you are trying to do in order to relax as meditating, you will fight the urge to scratch. But if you view it as just relaxing, you can scratch the itch and it's no big deal. It's about your mindset.

As an artist, I'm sure you won't be offended when I say, hopefully without creeping you out, that your voice is very erotic. You certainly stirred something in me.

I read somewhere that the voice of the opposite sex has a very strong impact on what we view as attractive. The theory is that back in our cave man days, sitting around in the darkness (other than a dim campfire) and talking was a very important part of deciding who you wanted to mate with. I know you probably want to say duhhh! But think of how many times we ruin the mood by opening our mouths these days. It was much more complicated than that but I wanted to warn you that, you woke up the cave man in me.

Your poetry is excellent. I find that at times, I enjoy poetry but I would certainly not say that I'm passionate about it. I fancy myself a writer and I'm very critical of others. Poetry is so subjective and deeply personal that posting it leaves the author open to certain vulnerabilities. And a deflated ego is one. Well, no worries there. Again, good work.

I am a very passive-aggressive person but I usually feel terrible after I hurt someone's feelings. I tend to have dreams in which I am aggressive physically after I have offended someone. Sometimes I enjoy my aggression in the dreams and I hope this is a way of dealing with the emotional aspects so that I have better control in the physical. But who knows. Hope this helps in some way.

I originally posted this dream on a different thread but I only did so to illustrate a point on how a phasing method sort of worked for me, even though it didn't work in the initial setting. So I cut and pasted it here and I'm gonna include more details. It was an important dream to me in several regards.

In the dream. my younger sister and I returned to our childhood home. The home wasn't our real home as kids but I accepted it as fact in my dream. I don't remember how long we were outside the home but a close childhood friend, Tiffany, of my sisters prevented us from going inside. Now Tiffany is real but the woman in my dreams portraying her was not (IDK who she was, but she is important to my phase). I always liked Tiffany since we share some crazy memories, she was wild, much to my liking. Back to the dream-Tiffany was distraught and acting weird. She told my sister that it was time to talk about "it" and face the music. My sister begged her not to but Tiffany grabbed a shovel and started digging up a flower bed that is real at my real home now. I felt bad for my sister as I thought Tiffany was about to reveal a terrible secret that my sister didn't want to relive. Tiff finally dug up a small shoe box full of bones that I instantly knew were from a run away teenager when we were kids. In the dream, I remember noticing that the shoe box was much too small to hold the bones of a teenager. The run away is not real to me in real life but I just instantly knew his story, though I can't recall the details of his story.

I obviously thought my sister was somehow dragged into this horrible tragedy but I was shocked when my sister turned back into a ten year old and had an evil look on her face, but this Tiff and I stayed the same age. Suddenly the ten year old Tiff (this was the real child Tiff) and some other kids came around the corner of the house but they were not aware of me. My kid sister smiled at me and went to join them. They then re-enacted the murder of this teenage runaway. The runaway was overpowered by all the kids and my sister stabbed him with a really big stick and he turned into a pile of bones. They turned on me and the adult Tiff stabbed me with the stick. I started to turn to bones but I grabbed the stick to pull it out of my stomach.

That's where the tactile came into play and the dream turned into a OOBE. As I was pulling it out, I could feel the roughness of it. I even recall feeling like it splintered my hands. I was still holding on to the stick while my body was returning to normal. I gained my awareness in that instance and the dream faded away as did my visual clarity. I was in a darkness but I knew my surroundings through instinct. I have no doubt that I could have navigated my way there. The new Tiff was still with me and since I now had my awareness, I asked her who she was. Originally, I did not post her response. She said that who she was was not important. What was important, is that I understand that everything is gonna be alright. I woke up at that point. I was sure then, that the new Tiff was a real being because during the OOBE, I thought she was gonna tell me something different than what she said. As many of you know, the biggest indicator that people or beings in our OOBE's are only a projection of our own consciousness is that they act in ways that we predict.

I was raised in a deeply religious Roman Catholic family. I think that we are a normal family, at least in the sense of our family dynamic and that we remain close. But they are intolerant of all this stuff. I have to admit that I have never found any real peace in Christianity even though I would have defended it with all I had. I have only very recently felt comfortable to even admit that to myself, much less post it or say it aloud.

I personally interpret this dream to mean that I shouldn't feel guilty for forming new beliefs. But in that regards, the new Tiff could easily be my own projection telling me what I wanted to hear. But why would a positive message be delivered from someone who has just hurt me?.

Anyways, any interpretations would be great. Also, I would like to know what some of the odd things symbolize,i.e.; the small shoebox, the fake "real" home, sister being a murderer. But please, no Freudian-I'm in love with my mother-garbage. Thanks.

I can't recall a single dream in which I was not myself. But oddly enough I've had several dreams in which people I know very well are portrayed by people I don't know. I always accept them as usual though and move on for the narrative sake.

Sorry, I have no suggestions but I share the same fear or concern. Auditory hallucinations are the hardest for me to ignore. They can creep me out and sometimes it's bad enough to snap me back to this reality. It's less of a concern when I'm not alone, even my cat can give me false comfort. Sad, a big boy like me still needs his mommy.

Any girls, or young ladies-I should say, willing to over look a deeply flawed being and shack up with no commitments?

Chop--I know it seems like paranoia on the part of people who think this is gonna lead to an all out gun ban, but it's a logical approach to dismantle the second amnd step by step, rather than upset the masses in one full swoop. In spite of that point, Obama, the big cheese himself, has not only said it in the past, he has done much more than talk and took action.

He was a chairman for a non profit group called the Joyce foundation. While a total gun ban is not their stated mission, they have heavily funded other groups that have made that their stated mission.

Even worse, he was there when the Joyce foundation was the lead instigator in a scandal that involved publishing heavily biased reviews that were all anti-second amnd in law journals. As I'm sure you are aware, our courts rely on unbiased law reviews as well as case precedence (former court rulings) when determining decisions.

What they did was not only criminal but it was just plain atrocious. The info is easily attainable online, including wiki if you ever want to take a quick glance. I'm not trying to persuade your opinion one way or the other, but I am always personally grateful for a chance to be better informed. Regards.

On a personal level, if it was possible to remove every gun from the US civilian population, I would be alright with taking my chances with a tyrannical government. Even though I'm sure there are many people who have lived through such and say I'm an idiot for being passive in that regards.

Personally, I think I would rather be shot than to be sliced open with a sharp instrument. I've never been shot but I've had a few deep cuts including a very bad incident with a filet knife. I cringe just thinking about that.

Stillwater--What you are saying about our two-party system is the truth. They only pretend to take different stances on certain things to create the illusion of choice for us. The only real party is the one they attend to celebrate their cooperative success. That's very cynical, I know, but only fools believe otherwise. Ignorance really can be bliss I suppose, but I personally despise ignorance. Without getting all "Alex Jones" on everybody, I think there is some truth to a lot of conspiracies out there.

Grey--I personally could not be a vigilante (not that that was your point but it came to mind) but that may end up being the only answer to all those punks. There are too many people that excuse their murderous behavior. They think that if they didn't have a gun, they would be darling little angels. It's as if they couldn't help themselves because they were in the presence of a gun.

Chop--I know that must have been terrifying but be grateful for the good guys with guns. The problem is that good guys can overreact and the end result still be bad. I hope you gave your neighbor a good lashing. What a mess.

First off I Thank Bedeekin for making this thread.

The only thing I created in this entire scenario consciously was the candle and the flame and the experiments I was doing with it.

Do you see what I'm saying here?

Yes, Thank you Beedeekin and everyone else for that matter. I read a post on this forum, somewhere yesterday, and it explained the concept of synchronicity. I will ramble about that more in a minute.

LionHeart--I believe you are saying that even though you ONLY consciously created the candle and flame, the whole scenario was entirely your creation in which you interacted? Whether or not that was your meaning, it did answer THE question for me. It was the equivalent of a slap on the back of a head when a pupil needs to wake up and pay attention.

I know some people don't like to feel like they are educators in certain disciplines or that they are any "better" at something than other people but I'm just being real. While it may be true that many of us can "get there", the difference is that some of us don't know how to recognize the advantage of being "there".  I'm sure that we all have different reasons and goals that we want to accomplish but at our core, we are all the same. We all want to learn and grow. While I may still be benefiting from interacting with giant, pink and blue dinosaurs that know kung fu in the NPR, right now, I'm taking a more practical approach. But believe me when it's time to relax and have fun, I can party with the best of them.

Now for my rambling about synchronicity. For the past few months, I've noticed that anytime I have a sincere concern or question, I seem to be bombarded with many "coincedences" that are to frequent to ignore as random. I know that academics like to say that nothing odd is happening and that we only think we are suddenly coming across many different "answers" or validations because it is on our minds so the events stick out to us. In other words, because we have an active interest in something, we consciously take notice of anything related even though we come across these "happenings" everyday by random chance. Bullsh1t. I'm no mathematician but what are the real odds.

Without boring everybody into the NPR with details, the very weird way that I even came across this forum on the internet is an amazing "coincidence" in and of itself. Thanks, again.

Now I am very familiar with losing my identity within dreams.

That has not happened to me yet, at least not that i recall. But I always dream about close friends and family in which a completely different person represents them. I may even recognize to myself, like hey, that's not Bob's body, but I always accept it in the narrative, the same is true for locations. Strange.

 The better you can keep your focus on your intent, the quicker you will be able to access the NPR without the "bells and whistles/sign posts". You will be Phasing so quickly that you don't have time to go through all vibrations etc.--LionHeart.

Therein lies a catch 22 for me. I can phase with or without SP but I know my projections after SP are much more vibrant and easier to control. The problem is that I want to be sure that I am not changing things constantly. In other words, I want more experiences in which I have not influenced anything but I am instead just interacting with the reality that I have entered. I know I can only perceive that I have not influenced my surroundings but that's the most we can hope for.

I should state clearly why I am here. That is to conquer my fears. The biggest is not death but a damned afterlife. I know I have a lot more confidence of what comes next but my goal is to grow so much as a spiritual being or I guess I should say consciousness, that I no longer care what comes next because I have become a being worthy of the best. As my dad would say, "That's a lot of new-age hippy crap", but for all his talk and actions, I still look at him and see a great man but not one who is sure of his own faith and is therefore incomplete. No body is, I know that. But I don't see a man who is trying anymore.

Like I said, you guys are cheaper than a therapist and couldn't be any worse.

That was 2 hundred years ago though... and the world and the US is very very different now.

That's what I meant by is it still applicable. In the light of us trying to be more evolved... is it still applicable? In the light that the world and the US has its fair share of crazies... is it still applicable?

As for the first part, are you referring to the 2nd amnd specifically? I think the truth of the difference of America today, actually makes the need for good people to be armed greater. We are a violent society and a species in general. Homo Erectus Americanus

I believe it was Albert Einstein who said, "I do not know how the third world war will be fought but the fourth will be fought with sticks and stones." I take this to mean that we are so advanced in our method of killing each other that our determination will make us come close to it one day. And whoever is left will use what's available to finish the job.

The second part is a little harder for me to answer. I guess if I was truly honest with myself, I would hope that one change in me would be that guns are no longer relevant to my personal ideology. But the truth of that is, unless everybody else down to the last person feels the same way, I will need a gun to help insure that I can live with my new enlightened ideology. Man, what a mess we humans have made.

XANTH dost speaketh the truth.