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Usually even when lucid, I still don't get to explore or do things that I would typically like to experiment with while awake. Which makes me question... sure I might be aware that I'm dreaming, but is it a false sense of control?

There is nothing false about the NPR. I know that's not what you were trying to say. But I think somewhere in a lot of our minds, there remains just a little bit of some residual doubt about what is actually happening. What I mean by that is that some part of us, in spite of what we have learned and experienced, might still think that the NPR is just some super, out of this world "dream". But a dream none the less.

I learned to intentionally phase relatively quickly because I had no doubt what so ever that it was possible. My first two  projections were terrifying and occured without intent and nn knowledge that it was possible. Both occurred coming out of what I knew in the moment were typical dreams but they were erased instantly when I became aware for reasons I still don't know.

There is nothing better than fear when it comes to be grounded in the moment. Your senses are in hyper-drive and your awareness is never better. That doesn't mean you can't be afraid over "nothing" or tricked by your own mind. But fear, real terror that is, will give you an instant snapshot (or a movie) of the moment and you can easily recall that memory later, even many years later and it still be as vivid as it was when it first happened.  I know love and happy memories are better to recall but haven't you forgot some of the small details like what song was playing or the color of your lovers shirt they wore when you had your first time?

But there are no small details when you think you just died but you know you have never been more aware of your existence in your life, yet you are looking at your body lying on the bed or couch. I know that sounds like a dramatic description of your first projection but what else can I say. I was young, naive, and scared out of my mind. Or should I say into my mind? No, scared out of my body is more appropriate. Damn it, I hate...er...love this site.

I would not recommend fear being the reason for not doubting the NPR but it left me with no doubt of it's reality and I wouldn't change that for blissful ignorance ever.

How much emotional / spiritual / psychic energy along with frequency of said energy is used determines the projection type (in my experience). A high frequency energy like focusing on love will nearly always pop me past the RTZ into some "higher" astral level, how high depends on how much energy used. While just putting a boat of unfocused energy will usually drop me in the RTZ.

That is a very interesting post. I almost never projected into the RTZ in the beginning.  Could that be explained because one of my early phasing techniques was about some very strong feelings that I had for an ex-GF. The technique may seem a little weird but I learned here that it's a pretty common method only i tweaked it to work for me. Some of you never cease to wonder me.

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Okay that's enough with the serious replies, You have succeeded in killing my childish fantasy. I know you said sorry, but I don't think you meant it as you did a thorough dismantling of my most plausible possibility.

Just kidding. Great post. But I think you underestimate the wider zombie reality. Be afraid, be very afraid. You have no idea of the control i have over the hoardes:evil:

Congrats on your first projection with awareness. Your experience is pretty much textbook. My actual first time was without intent and no knowledge of the astral or anything thereof. I just remember that I was in the middle of a dream, but I remember nothing of the actual dream except that it was suddenly erased and my mind went blank. I specifically asked "what the hell" with my inner voice and then i rolled off the couch and hit the floor with a distinctive thump and vivid rolling sensation. As I opened my eyes, I looked at the couch and there I was still sleeping yet I was sitting on the floor looking at a lump that i knew was me but I saw no real features because it was kind of dark.

I panicked and tried to scream like a baby but I couldn't make a peep. My awareness was so grounded in the Astral that the terrifying feelings and the panic did not snap me out of it and I'm not sure how long it took me to "get back in" my body.

Anyway that was the start of my journey. I have a complete understanding of your religious background and if you ever think it's holding you back, I'll be glad to nudge you along. But you need to really be ready for that.

As for what the lion said, He couldn't have stated the truth anymore clearer when he said that you projected at a time in your life when you need it most. If your ready for a new outlook, you won't think about suicide ever again. There is too much amazement ahead for you in the NPR. Stick around, there are alot of good people here who are always willing to help a new friend. Thanks and proceed with amazement.

What you were experiencing was the real deal. We almost all ruin our first successes with either panic or excitement. Take comfort in knowing that it should get easier to phase now. But remember that there aren't very many of us who can phase every time we try, myself included, even after years of experience. How long have you been attempting?

It's wonderful that you were able to feel the vibrations in your upper body. I hope you have a comfortable pair of running shoes because you'll be using the heck out of them in the NPR. That or flying. Keep us posted on your experiences as I believe your experiences will be  particularly inspirational to many of us.

I've been reading some more of Frank Kepple's beliefs of this reality, the NPR, and the universe and the way things are. If I'm understanding him correctly, his explanations may allow for a creepy , disturbing, but yet a very intriguing possibility, to me anyhow. First, I'll give a quick rundown of what I believe he is saying. If I am misunderstanding him, please correct me and let me know if my theory could still hold water within his belief system.

This reality (RTZ?), the NPR, and the entire universe for that matter has been "constructed" by us. Us being a collective yet individual consciousness. This reality is but one of many ways we have created in order to provide us with opportunities to grow and learn. In other words, we all agreed and set the "rules" for this reality even though we are not capable of knowing this without exploring the NPR in a sense. This would explain a lot of "supernatural phenomena" such as solid materials moving on their own and even freakier, they can disappear into thin air and then reappear seemingly out of nowhere. That about explains my understanding of it right now based on his beliefs.

If I am correct in understanding him, this opens the possibility of a scary yet naively guilty pleasure of mine. I have been a huge fan of the zombie genre for about thirty years. If it has to do with zombies, I'm on it. From a scientific standpoint, the furthest I am able to entertain a zombie apocalypse possibility is thru a virus in which the zombie would be more of a "28 Days Later" version of an actual living infected person but not a true zombie in the classical sense. Either way, it's scary as hell.

But if we really are living in a reality constructed by our collective consciousness, could the recent world-wide zombie craze open the door to a real zombie crisis? Since zombies are on the minds of a lot more people these days, it seems to me that the virus zombie has some competition to another plausible scenario by which they could manifest thru our collective consciousness. I am only speaking from within my understanding of Frank's belief system. I have no expectations to waking up in this reality and meeting a zombie anytime soon but the possibility is too tantalizing for a zombie nut like me to pass up.

This is just a fun question for me but I would like some serious comments on what you guys think. Thanks and proceed.

Everything helps. I am proof that the number of years that we have spent phasing does not necessarily equal wisdom in the NPR. I believe that you are way more advanced than I am. For instance, I never knew what retrievals were and now that I do, I'm a little concerned but not scared that it may be time. On second thought, I may be a little scared, not of the experience, but in failing.

To the best of my recollection, I have been phasing for at least twelve years now. I admit though, that I was no further along in my development than your average  beginner. I'm not referring to the phasing process as I developed that ability rather quickly. I am speaking of developing a sound understanding of the NPR, what it is, what it's for, and how to best learn from it.

Some of you may seem a little skeptical in believing that someone could be phasing for as long as I have and yet remain as ignorant as I was. If you really understood my upbringing and how dogmatic my beliefs were, you would probably be amazed that I would even try to understand any of this at all. It really is a taboo subject in my family and peer groups as I'm sure you are all aware of what some very religious Christians have to say about this. So once I became comfortable with the little I understood, I was always extremely hesitant to push the boundaries of that in fear of the great unknown.

Since finding this website, I have since grown leaps and bounds and even my guides have told me that they thought I would never come around. I'm still amazed at how they know our limits and know when we are ready. I was almost a thirty year old "virgin" in the NPR sense. But don't get me wrong, I had seen a great deal and learned from it all but the penny did not drop (to quote Frank) until I arrived here.

In a very real way, it is like I am a beginner again and I'm very excited and anxious to learn as much as I can now. I was wondering if any of you guys and gals ever reached a point where you were bored with it all and if it lost some of it's wonderment and thrills for you. If so, do you still feel that way and if not, what are some of the lessons you have learned that keep the fire going for you? I do not need any lengthy answers or detailed experiences but I would welcome the read none the less if you choose to do so.

Much thanks and proceed with amazement (my new tagline).

I think you'll be amazed at how quickly you're going to start phasing now. It's just my opinion, but I believe it has taken you so long to gain your awareness because some part of you still believed the experience was not real. Although a person trying to phase for four years directly contradicts my belief.

I phased twice without intention and so I always knew it was possible and it didn't take me long to phase intentionally. I have a little advice for you and of course, you should take it with a grain of salt. But after four years I'm sure you have already read plenty on the subject.

Read what Frank Kepple (correct spelling?) says about the process of reaching the NPR and stop before he get's into his interpretation of what the NPR is if you haven't yet. I strongly believe that he is correct but it's better to form your own theory and then compare it to another. It helped me to overcome a lifetime of religious beliefs that were holding me back and the revelation is very profound and life changing.

I've been phasing for over twelve years now and I was still very ignorant until I found this website. In fact, if you read the few posts that I have made, you will see how quickly I have accepted my new real reality. It's not because I'm gullible or easily influenced, but these guys and gals here simply nudged me into seeing that I had already arrived to the destination.

I do not like to talk about my exact experiences because everything we see and learn in the NPR is for us subjectively but I will give you a small example of how quickly things changed for me.  One of my guides was a beautiful female angel with wings and all, whom I relied on the most.  Once I changed my thinking in this reality, the very next time I phased she was no longer a she or an angel. He is more like a "troll" in his most comfortable form.  He changed his appearance to his normal self because he said I no longer need to be comforted with my old beliefs but I instantly recognized him as my guide because of his energy. He was relieved to lose the womanly figure to say the least. Take from this what you will but do not accept it as the truth for yourself. Much thanks to all and proceed with amazement.

Even if it was a dream, the moment you tried to take control and became aware you crossed that line that was never there in the first place. What makes it an AP is your awareness, nothing else.

Awareness and your control is the only thing that marks the difference. I first realized that fact because of this forum and it actually killed my buzz so to speak. I actually believed my projected self was out there exploring the universe.

But the truth, at least how I see it now, is even cooler. It''s more accurate to say that your consciousness and the universe are one so you never have to go anywhere in the first place. At least that's how I'm coming to see things and based on my experiences in the NPR so far, it fits better than any other idea.

It doesn't matter how you view it right now. The benefits are still the same and so is the amazement.

I don't know how old they are but I think it's fascinating that the old world built their tallest structures for spiritual purposes and now we build them for commerce;i.e., world trade center, sears tower.

It shows where our priorities are.

I think most people at some point in their lives think about suicide but never really consider doing it. There is a reason that nobody likes to openly talk about it and that is because it's very painful. Feeling pain is very natural but it's just as unnatural to want to feel pain.

If you are only asking for academic reasons than you should say so. But understand that NO ONE really knows. Even the most experienced projectors are only "visitors" so long as they still have a living physical body. It's like visiting the White House. You get a little i.d. badge and they give you a tour but you will never know what it is like to live there day in and day out. And they certainly don't show you all the secret entrances, exits, and passageways. You could go on a thousand tours and you will still never know what it is like to live there but once you live there, the rules change, and you will learn it all.

If you have truly had an OBE, then you know the emotions you feel during one can be even more powerful and profound then your physical experiences in this reality. Why would you even think that it would be better when you know that your negative emotions and feelings can be magnified to be even worse?

Now the opposite is true with good emotions and feelings but are those the emotions that a person carries over with them after having just committed suicide? I don't know, nobody does, but I doubt it.

What we do know, is that it can and will get better "here" if you truly want it to. And maybe the more work you put into getting thru the bad experiences in this life, the better your journey will be in the next.

There are some excellent toll free numbers that you can find online and they will talk to you for hours at a time if that's what it takes to help you. They may ask for your name and other info but you don't have to give it to them and they will still answer the phone every time you call. Just don't waste their time or ours if you're just goofing around. But I don't think you are since suicide is no subject to laugh about.

The bottom line is this: If you're just curious and nothing else; Whatever you personally believe is as good as anything we believe. If you're considering suicide for real, PLEASE ask for help. I think the response you get will show you how much you matter to your family and friends. And last but not least, the world.

You are really close. I know it sux to be told that you just need to relax and go with the flow. But trust everyone when they say that is it. I never really had a problem projecting out because  I never doubted that I could.

The first time I intentionally projected (took me about two-three weeks) I reached a point that I just knew this was it and there was no turning back for better or worse, but of course it was for the better. The --Holy excrement, this is it, I hope I know what I'm doing because there's no stopping it now--feeling was so overwhelming (at least for me), that I couldn't have ruined it by panicking if I tried.  Well I did panic and I did try to stop it. I didn't know better and I tried turning over to stop the feeling and I threw my astral body onto the wall. I was upside down. That was how I perceived it anyhow.

My point is that you should know when it's really time but I do understand that some people get to that point and still can't project.

So my only two cents really is this: Just Know that you can and I know that you will. It's that simple and don't cuss me for saying it again. Good luck.

You would not want me to come across your path while you were doing this. I would have asked you so many questions that you would ave been annoyed and possibly a little freaked out.

But I'm a little jealous of people who do what they want and don't let others influence them negatively.

So please keep giving me a reason to be jealous.

We are all here to experience, whether it be the good, bad or the ugly.

Hitler's reign created changes to our Reality that have profound influences on who we are today as Humans. Like I said the good, bad and ugly they are all experiences.

When a child is seeking attention. They can either do something good or bad to achieve their goal.  Because in the end, they both lead to attention.

Hitler was just my example of extreme "evil". He was a man that deprived himself of nothing that he wanted. Nothing was a deterrent to him.  Compared him to a person who sacrifices time and time again so that others may take comfort and peace. Now I understand that each has a certain energy that will determine their place in the NPR, as I read from someone here that "like attracts like" (i like that by the way). But once there, it is up to them to progress or not. So if a Hitler, for example, progresses fast and does not spend much time in the lower energy realms, is that just the way it is and the way it should be? Or is it possible that we have all spent lives being both the good and bad?

I had a very particular jarring NPR experience just the other night and now I think I'm ready to compare it to some others. Now I am not looking for an excuse to go physco or anything but I know I'm probably letting my old beliefs hold me back from growing. For example just two days ago I would have said spiritually growing but now I'm not sure that is even close to what I would say now.

I'm sure some of you can relate and if so, I could use some direction. Thanks again to everyone.

This is a great thread. I have not read a lot of the suggested works because I do want my interpretations influenced by others yet. I know this leads to a lot of questions that have been answered countless times and could even threaten Gandhi's patience so I want to thank everyone here for that.

With that said, I am quickly losing most of my preconceived religious beliefs. This is a little troubling but I'm fine with it because it's happening through my own experiences. In fact the opposite is more disturbing when I think of how much misery is in the name of whatever....

I do not want to influence anyone else either as these types of revelations are life changing, but I want to pose a question here that is still troubling me. 

If we are all here to learn and grow and there is no single higher being that is waiting to judge us as there is no true good or evil, only our individual interpretations of such, what does that say about Hitler? I know a lot of people kept their sanity by believing he was being punished in unimaginable ways. And he may well be, but if this punishment is all subjective, does he actually deserve to experience no discomfort at all in the next reality if he instantly understands this and is therefore able to progress "higher" quickly?

I used to consider myself a minor authority on this matter but since I found this website, I'm realizing that I am still very close-minded and it is preventing me from the best benefits or even realizing some of the benefits, so to speak.

With that said, the breathing you heard may very well be from your dual awareness or you may have heard something that you thought sounded like breathing and so it instantly became the sound of breathing. It's so strange that everything is so matter of fact in the NPR because thinking truly makes it so. It's like answering questions with a question in a way.

I think when we have these experiences, the only context we have to make sense of anything in the NPR is gained of course from the physical reality. So even though you know flying can be easy, you still find it hard to believe that it is that easy. I still have trouble today when I want to change my environment in the NPR just because nothing is that easy in my normal reality.

Anyways, since you now know you can project with intent, it won't be long before you too are a minor authority. Happy learning...

I was gonna say something like Xanth said but I forgot since I was feeling giddy. I definitely don't believe you will be able to change the events in any fashion but if you're ready to put some hard work into it, you can probably change the way you feel. I doubt you will ever forget the events but you may lose the trauma. Your initial feelings will always be there but in time, you may also be able to recall the "better" feelings you had while projecting and if you do this enough times, those feelings can become the dominant ones.

Hopefully someone else can answer further because I'm not sure how you will be able to go back to those same moments in your life the many times you may need to in order to work it out. I know everything in the NPR is as easy as your next thought but that just doesn't work for me every time. I did because I used the memory as a means to project and so I ended up in that place ( damn, I just realized that I sound like I'm trying to rip off the Butterfly Effect movie). I don't recommend you try that technique because it sounds like you're dealing with some very strong emotions and I would hate for that to make it worse.

Somebody who knows more about this than me will find your post.

I'm new to this forum but I am an experienced projector. I have to say that I absolutely reject the idea that we are not living in a physical reality right now. Especially that we are experiencing a collective conscience NPR. The reason is all the "evil, hate, bad energy" what ever you prefer to call it, that is prevailing. I believe that good is the strongest, the largest, and most predominant force there is. Therefore, if we were all experiencing an NPR held by our collective consciences  wouldn't that mean there would be a lot less "evil" right now, right here. I think this is the reality where all the bad can run a muck and how we let it affect us individually will determine the work we will have to do next.

Since I have never felt any kind of physical pain (just odd sensations) during an OBE, I think that pain is something we need to feel in the physical right here to better understand it and use that knowledge to work thru what we have to in the next. I think if we had to deal with pain physically in the next, it would be a big hindrance to our spiritual growth.

Hope I wasn't to literal. If I didn't make sense, keep in mind that I am trying to reconcile my Christian beliefs with what I am starting to learn and experience with the NPR. I love this website.

This is really weird but I just got done making a post where I was talking about an exit strategy that I came to on my own. I didn't go into a lot of detail but I'll put it here for you and then explains some more.

--The second way I get ready to project is that I recall a very painful conversation that I had with an ex. With my inner voice, I begin the conversation exactly as I remember it happening each time and then listen to her exact response as I remember it but I do not say it with my own inner voice, I'm just listening to her. Then I say the things that I should have said and as this conversation is playing out the way I wished it had, I suddenly become aware that I'm no longer visualizing it but I'm actually experiencing it. I tell her good-bye and then I'm off.--

I'm still feeling freaky at how relevant this is to your question. Doing this technique has ABSOLUTELY helped me get passed that part of my life. The first couple of times, after I projected directly into this conversation with her, I knew her responses were all from me since she was just a projection of my own mind. This was helpful enough by itself. I'm not sure how many times I had done this but It was to the point that as soon as I realized I had projected, I would say good-bye and leave to explore. But Something was different one time and I noticed that it was her clothes and she had a new haircut. Well that's what I noticed at first. What really caught my attention was her responses because I had never imagined them to be so much in my favor. I don't know how, but I'm positive that I pulled her astral self in and worked it out with her. No, we are not back together and I actually haven't seen her or talked to her in the physical since we first went our own ways. But a month after that OBE a mutual friend of ours said she said to tell me hello. I wanted to ask her about my ex's hair but didn't want to sound like a stalker. After that time, I've had a lot of closure.

WOW. I hope this answers some part of your question because  being able to help someone else is another testament to the good of the NPR. Thanks for your post.

Don't get frustrated, even after you catch yourself posting that you've tried fifty times and still no success.

A lot of people who have no success when they're intentionally trying will at some point project without trying just because they've devoted so much effort that their sub conscience never stopped working it out for them.

What got me interested was that I had two OBEs and had no idea what they were, but I knew they weren't dreams as I had been having lucid dreams for years. I personally like to project after SP because I am always more aware and my NPR is more vivid and easier to recall. In fact they are so vivid that some of them are memories that are as concrete as any memory from this reality. 

After you have experienced SP a few times, you may notice, at least this is true for me, that the sensations seem to originate from your chest and stomach area. Hopefully somebody will read this and be able to better identify the part that I am talking about. But if you suck in your gut, the muscle that is doing the work is the one I use to initiate my SP. I tense it up first and hold that as I'm inhaling a deep, deep breathe. the sensations start pretty quickly. Before I do this, I usually clear my mind for about five minutes, and then I induce the SP at least three times until I am almost freakishly unaware of my physical body.

At this stage I am fully relaxed and aware but I am not yet ready to project. I've tried many methods but eventually I came to two on my own that work great for me.

The first, is that I imagine a beautiful woman naked. This is not in any nature a sexual thought, I am just admiring the body in my mind. Initially, I admire her face, then her neck, her so on, and so on. Then I zoom in on her arms and hands and her legs and feet, everywhere basically. As I'm picturing her left hand, I may visualize all her fingers but when I visualize her right hand I may not even pay attention to her fingers at all. When I catch myself paying less attention to the smaller details, such as her fingers, I know I'm close to falling asleep. Then I push the image away so that I am looking at her full body again, This is like an anchor. I do this over and over again until the next thing I' aware of is that I'm right next to her (usually much to her dismay) but that's my own insecurities and them I'm off. This works great for me because I am a very visual learner and I don't have to concentrate on exiting. I hope no one is offended when reading this.

The second way I get ready to project is that I recall a very painful conversation that I had with an ex. With my inner voice, I begin the conversation exactly as I remember it happening each time and then listen to her exact response as I remember it but I do not say it with my own inner voice, I'm just listening to her. Then I say the things that I should have said and as this conversation is playing out the way I wished it had, I suddenly become aware that I'm no longer visualizing it but I'm actually experiencing it. I tell her good-bye and then I'm off.

Hope this didn't sound like I'm too cheap to spring for a therapist but they work great for me. Anyways just keep trying and we'll see you in the NPR soon. You should already be noticing the benefits of clearing your mind and meditating at the very least so that should be motivation enough to keep at it.

"You're crazy, that was just a good dream" Get ready to hear that as I'm sure you'll want to tell some friends about your new enlightenment. But first of all, a congratulations is in order. I've never felt the electric feelings as intensely as you've described during a projection but I almost never fight the feeling when it's time to go. I was actually admonished once for complaining about not wanting to leave and took it as a lesson that when it's time to go, it's time to go. But I'm way too literal sometimes.

Anyways, I hope the next time you actually try to project that it is just as easy for you. I hope you're prepared for some changes (all good, of course) and welcome to the club.

Because I am a human and I have no idea was that means but I am curious because I am human and so on and so on. It's a circular thought that ends up with being human.

Some people just aren't ready to really confront the truth. The modern medical sciences want to be able to explain everything and when they can't, they attribute it to a strong dream and /or imagination. It' their fail-safe explanation that doesn't leave much room for people to openly criticize them without the risk of damaging their own credibility. I personally believe this falls out of the medical science and more into physics since I'm certain an OBE is not any type of bodily function and more along the spiritual.

That seems like it's off the subject but it explains why a lot of people are curious enough to try for a while but when it doesn't happen as quickly as they like, they refer to what the sciences have to say about it and dismiss it as easily as some of the docs do. So I completely understand why people think your crazy for taking the opposite stance of the easily  accepted "dream" excuse. Do not let their shortfalls change your compassion for others. We will all suffer if you lose that. Just water the seed that someone else has sown for them and it will grow in them if they wish to grow as a spiritual being. Hope this didn't ramble too much.

That is so cool. I've actually dived with sharks so I have lost a lot of that fear. Then again, they were smallish, 3-4 ft.  But the huge ones are always a constant antagonist in my lucid's and part of the fun is out swimming them.