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[Lower Astral:]

I am re-posting this in response to the post by Frostytraveler in the "Issue at the crossroads Astral Projection and Mysticism" topic of graphical view of the universe as depicted in the above video. I felt that, in retrospect, this should be a separate topic to the most interesting and profound views presented in the other thread.

I did not watch the above video, but that graphic is an interesting illustration of the Universe. I would like to offer an alternative view to consider, and perhaps as a reference for further discussion:

Lower Astral: - 12.5% of the Astral. These are the realms of people who on Earth were weighed down by a lower vibration due to extreme negativity, harming of others or intent to do so, pursuit of power and control over others etc., These realms are the exact vibratory correspondence of their low Astral level vibration, including an environment which seems dim, murky, misty and foreboding, void of any beauty. and where they still continue their negative and harmful traits. The upper, lower level of the Astral include the "belief system territories", where those inhabiting it are stuck in some sort of rigid belief system, religious etc. and where they can continue to practice their beliefs in religious constructs that they have created with their minds. Souls that appear to be stuck in these realms are often rescued by Souls from the mid-Astral, where there are teams are dedicated to this endeavour.

Note: These people are not permanently trapped in these lower Astral realms. When they eventually learn or realise the sheer futility of their actions, beliefs, characters etc, the vibration of  their Astral body rises, and they transition to the mid-Astral. "Death" on Earth is accompanied by an increase in vibratory frequency to focussed in the etheric then Astral bodies, to automatically transition to the corresponding vibratory frequency of the Astral. In the Astral there are many such "deaths" and "resurrections" to progressively higher vibratory frequencies as evolution continues.

Mid-Astral - 75% of the Astral These are the realms where the majority of decent people transition to after passing from Earth due to the corresponding vibratory frequency of the Astral body. Same applies to Astral projectors who are similarly restricted by the vibratory frequency of the Astral body. In both cases it is impossible to go higher than their inherent vibratory frequency but can go lower, for retrievals etc. Those on Earth with a very high vibratory frequency can project throughout the Astral including the highest realms, just as those who permanently transition from Earth. can likewise do. The mid-Astral realms are constructed by the minds of people who have departed Earth, who still retain the traits of ego and materialism, which is still associated with a physical body and physical constructs, where they can continue to live as they did on Earth, except they soon discover that they can easily project into their experience anything they wish with the mind, including a body corresponding to that which they most readily associated with during their "prime of life" on Earth.

Upper Astral - 12.5% of the Astral. When the ego of people in the mid Astral finally realise the sheer futility of the desire for material things and body association, they experience an increase in vibratory frequency and "die" to the mid-Astral to be re-born within the upper Astral. These are still worlds of form, but characterised by sheer beauty, harmony and bliss, free from the earthly egotistical materialistic characteristics of the mid Astral. The Astral realms are often, and erroneously, characterised as seven levels, and hence why level seven is sometimes known as "seventh heaven" which is used on Earth to describe a blissful state of being.

The Astral realms as a whole are still at a very low vibratory frequency in comparison to the Universe as a whole, Spiritual realms and Source, and exist as an anomaly which temporarily exists as a sort of "buffer zone" between Earth and the greater Spiritual realms.

The Spiritual realms. Upon transitioning from the Astral, the previously low vibratory density of ego is left behind and the associated Soul dissipates, no longer required. The Spiritual realms and the Mental body and Mental realms of pure Spirit, beyond body and form, where Spirits live on in a state of pure consciousness. This is also the realm of the Higher Self, the Eternal Spirit, which, once perfected by the collective experience of countless physical incarnations it sends to Earth, or other planet, continues inwards on the journey home to ultimately become fully God, Source realised, at which point, the perfected Spirit views all the experiences before it for what it really  is - a dream. We never really left. Once Home, all creation is fully known as Source.

The Spiritual realms cannot be described in human language, except to say they are far beyond human comprehension, such is their sheer ecstatic beauty and Love on a scale and level also far beyond earthly comprehension.

There have been many names ascribed to the Spiritual realms, and I have used a few myself in past writings for illustrative purposes, but ultimately the entire Universe is a continuum encompassing "All that Is". High Spiritual Beings that channel knowledge through Earth mediums often speak of density levels, e.g. 5, 6, 7...........11 etc, referring to vibratory frequencies, and hence nominal density, which I think is probably the most meaningful for illustrative purposes, although still a continuum.

I did not anticipate this post being as long as it became, but I hope that it at least this contribution may provide some further food for thought.

I actually liked the post Adrian. Much of it I agree with and it just feels right. Especially the comment where you said the Divine can be experienced at any level. I also like how you mentioned experiencing the Divine can be done so at different vibratory level. This certainly can influence the extent of our experience.

I also agree with the 3 tiers of the Astral you referred to and the higher Spirit realms above that. I liked how you referenced humans on earth and depending on their level of evolvement, dictates where they go. I also agree that the quest for money, power, greed, excessive materialism and reckless disregard for another (a violation of the basic principle of treat others how you would like to be treated) dictates what tier of the Astral many go. I absolutely have felt that for years. When a low vibration human lives such a 1 hz life, I always said that they will be rummaging around in the lower astral for a loooong time.   The God part of your post, as you know, I take a bit of a different approach to, which is fine.

If I have mixed my own thoughts with your's please feel free to point out any differences.

It was an enjoyable read. If you would rather I remove my response post, just let me know.

Thank you Frosty, I am happy you enjoyed the post, and please do keep your response post.

I will create a new topic and post it there to keep the different, but related subjects separate.

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I like the example Lighbeam always gives of layers. Since I literally feel that going deep is like removing layers of an onion, until we reach the Core, where we are in our purest state.

I agree, this is an excellent metaphor.

Edit: I had typed a long post with reference to the view of the universe depicted in the video graphic posted by Frostytraveler, but in retrospect removed it so as not to dilute this excellent topic of Divine Love as a whole. I can repost it if anyone is interested.

I am a paranoid person and suffer from multiple anxiety disorders. I can't seem to move past my fear, despite knowing it is false and not of God. And it hurts to know that it's false and wrong and an arbitrary self imposed barrier and STILL not be able to move past it.

The Subconscious Mind is infinitely powerful, and the above statements are powerful negative affirmations impressed on your Subconscious Mind, which, if continued will become increasingly self-fulfilling. We create our own experience through thoughts, beliefs, feelings etc..

If I may make a suggestion, you should consider switching those self-beliefs, completely around, and begin affirming, feeling and believing the truth that you are powerful, fearless etc. knowing that you are infinitely Loved by The Divine. Add to this anything else you wish to be or experience.

Be mindful of your thoughts, and if any negative thoughts enter your mind, do not engage them, instead let them go and repeat your positive affirmations, the truth about yourself.

(Also I love Rumi too, and Hafiz and Attar. I'm actually a religious studies major studying the influence of pre Islamic Iranian religion on the sufis, so I absolutely adore Rumi and his ilk)

I am happy to hear that. If you can truly understand what the poetry of Rumi is really about, and what it means, you will realise that these hold the answers to your own questions.

Here are three Rumi quotes that you may be familiar with:

"Your task is not to seek for love, but merely to seek and find all the barriers within yourself that you have built against it."

"The way to heaven is within. Shake the wings of love-when love's wings have become strong, there is no need to trouble about a ladder."

"When you seek Love with all your Heart, you shall find its echoes in the universe."

Thanks everyone for there replies!
I agree with you Adrian that God is experienced in the heart, but I disagree that one cannot experience divinity in the astral, and that the heart only includes union.

That was not the point I was making, which was that it is not necessary to astral project to experience Divinity. The Divine is within us, within the Heart, and can be experienced here on Earth

[Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind.This is the first and great commandment.And the second is like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.]

Hello and welcome to the Astral Pulse.

First of all, your desire to experience oneness with the Divine, Divine Love, is a most worthy one, and a principle reason we are here.

Mystical experiences can occur spontaneously, such as the wonderful experience shared by Frostytraveler in this topic, which I assume you have read. There are no words available in the human language to describe higher mystical experiences, they only be experienced and are unmistakable for what they are, and leave a profound impression.

Astral Projection is totally unrelated to mysticism or mystical experiences, and cannot help you in your quest. God, Source, The Divine is experienced in the Heart, not in the Astral or anywhere else, and true mystics know this absolutely. For example, the person who came to be known as Jesus was, among many other attributes, a true Mystic. To quote him in this context:

Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind.
This is the first and great commandment.
And the second is like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.

The emphasis is always therefore on Love, and not any metaphysical ability such as Astral Projection. Astral projection is valuable for many reasons, but knowing God through Love is not one of them.

Your post mentions words such as "very, very scared" etc. One emotion that is certain to be a barrier to experiencing God, the Divine, is fear. Fear and Love are polar opposites.

As for being "worthy", every human being is worthy of experiencing God, indeed a major aspect of Spiritual evolution is to grow ever closer to our Source, until finally returning home as fully Source, God realised.

Another great truth to be mindful of is that we ARE God. If this is a step to far to accept, then think of yourself as a child, or aspect of God. God cannot be found outside of you, or by any metaphysical process, but only in your Heart.

The first thing to do is to do your best to shed all negative emotions, such as fear and guilt, and replace them with higher activities and feelings that bring joy and Love. Also, if you wish to read about these mysticism, I suggest you read the profound works of true mystics such as the Sufi mystic, Rumi.

As I mentioned, your desire to experience God, the Divine is a most worthy one, so please feel free to ask any further questions, there are members here who can certainly help.

Excellent post Lumaza.

I would like to add a few comments from my own perspective, and also with reference to the diverse OBE and Astral Projection experiences posted by many contributors here at these forums and elsewhere over the years.

Most of the "old school methods" of 20 or more years ago often involved some sort of action to  consciously "separate" the etheric body from the physical, which invariably included waiting for vibrations, rushing noises etc.. It is here that many would-be projectors do achieve their objectives, simply because the conscious mind engaged in a conscious state, practicing the method and waiting for vibrations etc, thus preventing the letting go of conscious awareness completely which is usually a prerequisite for success. Many attempt several variations on such methods before sooner or later experiencing frustration before giving up altogether. That said, these methods work very well for some people and therefore cannot be discounted completely Everyone is unique.

From my perspective, the direct method of impressing and engaging the imagination/visualisation while entering the sleep state at night can be highly effective as it much more fully engages the infinitely powerful subconscious mind, which will always respond with the desired experience. The use of imagination while entering the sleep state is equally valuable for experiencing almost any desired experience, in particular for healing.

Phasing, as you say, is a more recent direct oriented method, for which we are grateful to Frank Kepple, for the wealth of information he provided based upon his own extensive personal experiences, in bringing to the fore a very practical method which anyone can achieve with perseverance and dedication, and which has no doubt helped numerous people to achieve Astral Projection. Phasing, as you say, encompasses many benefits including, but not limited to, concentration, relaxation and focus, as well as facilitating a more structured gateway to the Astral and the experience of increasingly higher focus levels of consciousness.

Whatever method is chosen it is crucial to persevere for as long as it takes, days, weeks, months, as the benefits are valuable and with success comes further success.

Hi, I was curious to understand what phasing was, what it consisted of and how it should be practiced. I'm very curious because it seems different from everything I've learned so far about astral projection

If you go to the Astral Pulse Home Page you can download Xanth's book, amd also a PDF compilation of posts by Frank Kepple, both excellent resources.

Those sound like wonderful churches and a positive environment. I have not turned my back on my religion, the Church or its traditions. I still refer and abide by principles in the Bible, but now I have heavily supplemented it with my spiritual beliefs and path.

The Bible and Universal Spiritual Truth are not mutually exclusive. The Bible is by far the most esoteric text ever produced, especially the Gospels and in particular the Parables.

The person who came to be known as "Jesus" was and is a great Spiritual messenger who came here from a high vibratory frequency. He did not come to Earth simply to entertain people by telling stories and performing tricks, and most definitely did not come here to be turned into the object of controlling religions.

Jesus came to Earth to reach the people that could be reached in order to teach great and valuable Spiritual Truth at a time in Earth's past when it was needed, thus unlocking the Universal Truth and knowledge that is within us all, to the extent it can be accessed.

As you progress Spiritually, you will find that the Bible becomes progressively more meaningful, not less.

I have never been to church except when I got married, and then only because my now ex-wife wanted a church wedding.

That said, I have met some wonderful church ministers and church goers who are very sincere people. Church in England is nothing like that big Roman church or Baptist churches in the USA for example Here they are more of a family gathering where the church minister reads lessons from the bible, congregation sings a few hymns, repeats a few prayers and then went home. No fear mongering involved.

Many churches over here have a very tall spire or steeple, the objective of which is to collect all the words of worship together and focus them "up towards heaven".

Of course songs and prayers repeated rote, are just words. God, the Divine only knows what is in our Heart.

Edit: I am happily married now to a most wonderful American lady from Southern California. This time we got married in Maui, Hawai'i.

["I looked for God. I went to a temple and I didn't find him there. Then I went to a church and I didn't find him there. The I went to a mosque and I didn't find him there. Then finally I looked in my heart and there he was."]

As a side note, I don't go to church much these days. My path has taken a bit of a turn as I focus within, and develop my own individual connection with the God and the Divine. Thus far, I have found this path very rewarding.

That is wonderful, I am happy to hear that.

It reminds me of a quote by the great Sufi mystic, Rumi:

"I looked for God. I went to a temple and I didn't find him there. Then I went to a church and I didn't find him there. The I went to a mosque and I didn't find him there. Then finally I looked in my heart and there he was."

It's rather exciting when you think of the amazing opportunity we've been given, and how much more Real does it make that relationship with the Living Intelligence, A Loving and Guiding Personality through out our various incarnations?

If only people knew how extremely privileged they are to be incarnated on Earth, or other similar planet of which there have been few, and what it means in the grand universal scheme of things, they just might feel and behave very differently. Of course most cannot know that yet, as it would interfere with their primary purpose for being here, which is to Spiritually evolve through experience on the beginning of the path towards realising true Divinity.

Welcome to the Astral Pulse Spiritual-Show

The  method detailed above by LightBeam is probably the most direct, which, if persevered with, should eventually result in your first Out of Body Experience, OBE. Once you have experienced your first success, the belief in your ability to achieve it will be very much enhanced which will make future projections more straightforward and frequent. This method is ideally suited to etheric projections to an energy frequency closer to the familiar material world, also referred to as the "real-time zone" or "RTZ". With more practice and confidence an etheric projection can be converted to a higher frequency level Astral projection to the "Astral Planes".

The other highly recommended method is that of "Phasing". Their is a wealth of information on this method directly available on the forum home page, where you can download Xanth's excellent book and a PDF of posts by Frank Kepple, both excellent resources on the subject. Phasing is particularly useful for Astral Projection to experience increasing energy "focus levels". Astral Pulse Homepage

As LightBeam stated, if you really want to succeed at this, it is crucial to persevere with a single method, and not give up after a few days of practicing and switch to another method, which is a major mistake that a many would be projectors make, along with using methods that are too convoluted, such as the "climbing out" methods.

Here at the Astral Pulse you will find all the material and support you may require, so please feel free to ask questions as you progress.

If nothing can hurt us with the power of our mind, then why do many advanced spiritual people die at such young ages?

Many could not mentally tolerate it here due to the low vibration, and the general behaviour of humanity. Others have completed their purpose here and just leave. Others cannot physically tolerate the difference in vibration between Earth and the Spiritual vibration of where they came from and simply fall ill. There have been many children born over the last few decades who came here to help during the transition the planet is going through, but couldn't handle it and returned to their home at a young age. There have thankfully been plenty though who did make it.

No, I will not ban movies from my life. It's once again a balance thing. Horror or excessively violent movies I can no longer tolerate. Other movies, no problem as movies and the technology associated with them has always been a hobby of mine. Video games, nope, not going to avoid those either. The horror type, yes, but not the other ones. Have been gaming since I was very young. My son is a borderline pro eSports gamer, and we have had countless great times gaming together. It has not influenced him poorly in the least, as he is a very nice young man, with a very far along soul. Though I do not discount the fact that it may harm some people that have a weak moral character foundation and perhaps a soul that is in its infancy.

I enjoy a good movie as well, but these days it seems a challenge to find one that does not include violence or negativity of some sort. Maybe we should start a thread on recommended movies that are uplifting to watch. I enjoy sci-fi movies in particular but even those often manage to include violence of some sort. I really enjoyed sci-fi movies of the 70's and 80's such as Star Wars, Close Encounters, 2001, Back to the Future etc, and any violence in them was not of the gratuitous kind as it seems to be today. The big exception I make is The Matrix which is a unique movie.

I did not mean to imply that all video games are violent, and I apologise if I gave that impression. I have no interest in video games and do not follow the market. I am happy to hear your son is so accomplished in this area.

Great episode of the Why Files.

I can't believe I am a sucker for many of those mandalla effects.
Like, "Mirror mirror on the wall"
Or the monopoly man with a monocle.

Yes, what is the difference between Gods plan and living in a simulation? Great question.

The UB seems to elaborate on this with a type of hierarchy that blows my mind. I don't understand it.

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Per y'alls conversation... I wonder if these great masters that could dissimilate their physical bodies by will figured out some way out of the simulation.

I also recall a story of a guru who told his followers to be vegetarian. The followers were shocked when their guru was eating meat. To make them feel assured he proceeded to eat a bowl of nuts and bolts and was unharmed. He explained to his disciples that the material he consumed didn't matter, and that he was there helping them understand the nature of 'reality.'

Babaji could teleport his followers and even create imagery by thought alone.

I suppose I agreed to participate in all of this to some extent, but I do feel there is a higher intelligence- whoever/whatever is helping me break free from the simulation, gradually... and most assuredly.

I also recall stories of monks who could levitate, communicate via telepathy, interact with inter-dimensional beings and survive off nothing but a green elixir.

There's more for us to discover~

These stories are all true, and we all have the same abilities within us and much more even beyond human comprehension. The difference between the Yogi's, Tibetan Monks and others like them is that they largely isolated themselves or completely disengaged from the dream/drama of the world as a whole, focussing within instead.

As I mentioned in a previous post, no food or anything else in this world can harm us unless we believe it can, which is why we should avoid placing negative beliefs in the mind of others, lest it becomes self fulfilling.

To me simulation is pretty evident. I don't like to use the word illusion because our definition of illusion suggests something that does not exit. But everything that can be imagined exists. However, simulation does make sense to me because the experience of the simulation IS REAL, no doubt. Simulation is something set up and programmed for specific experiences. Our natural state is in high frequency spirit form. This is real at least in my opinion. Smaller compartmentalization are simulations. We as humans are mimicking these simulations in smaller scales through our theater,  tv shows, movies, book stories, video games, theme park rides, etc. We are creating this because we have that intuitive deep knowledge (maybe not consciously aware).

A few days ago while I was walking something interesting occurred and I felt truly I was in a video game. I found myself on a cross road with 4 streets. On that cross road there was me as a single female, there was single male, there was  a pair of 2 females, a pair of two males and a pair of a male and a female. It was only us at that moment on that cross road, no one else. But I clearly saw the basic blocks of the coding. The 0s and 1s in the basic parings from which all other more complex coding is created. That was pretty cool to observe. I just felt for a moment how my spirit is lifting above that scene and is looking at the building blocks of a game from a higher perspective. I even stopped walking because for that moment my focus became different, like I had to pause the game.

Excellent post LightBeam - I really like your use of the word "simulation" as an alternative to illusion.

I suggested in my last post never to watch, listen or read the so called news, which is invariable very negative and rarely uplifting.

We are all responsible for creating our own reality, our own universe, our own experience, it is totally counterproductive therefore to focus on the simulation involving the world as a whole which are the simulations projected by all other participants and not our own. There is a very apt quotation - "The world is a stage". I suggest observing the world as if watching a movie, as a curiosity, as a drama, and sometimes entertaining, but without mentally engaging with it in the absolute sense.

People come to this planet primarily to experience, learn and thereby evolve Spiritually, not to  allow it to drag them down. This planet is a "sandbox" where humans can be human, before transitioning to the greater internal universe of Light, the primary objective on this planet being to transcend the influence of the conscious mind, the ego, and align with the Heart and Divine Love. 

This information did not seem alarmist to me at all, on the contrary, I thank you because today I learned new things and it made me more aware.

I absolutely understand what you are saying Tak, and I am happy the information presented was helpful to you.

There is however a fine line between being alarmist and being educational, which is down to the way information is presented. There are numerous people out there, especially for example on Youtube who are presenting what they think is informational, but in a very alarmist, even fearful way. They probably do not even realise they are doing it. The reason for this is that they constantly want more subscribers, more views more ad revenue etc, and they have learned the best way of achieving this is by being sensationalist and scaring people, which completely negates the message and has the opposite effect.

I have suggested before that one of the simplest ways towards more peace and mental stability is to never watch, listen to or read what the mainstream media call "the news" which is almost always negative and never uplifting. This impacts the mental health and stability of people at a very deep level. Same applies to movies, especially in the last 20 or 30 years or so. People may say "it is just a movie, it is not real" without realising the impact in impressing the subconscious mind and influencing health at all levels. And the same again applies to most modern video games which are also influencing children.

The harsh reality is that we live in a world - which as LightBeam shared is really just a "simulation" - where money, greed and power are often valued much more than human health and welfare, the food and medical industries being notable examples. If you think water is toxic, it is relatively insignificant compared to packaged fast and processed food, sugar etc.. And even in writing this it could be construed as being alarmist.

The Light is infinitely more powerful than the dark. We can take a light into a dark room and illuminate it, but it is impossible to take darkness into a light room and make it darker. It is incumbent on us therefore to eschew anything that might be perceived as alarmist or fearful, instead to educate with the support of our greatest ally - Truth - in a way that the Heart gladly accepts and will guide people towards the Light.

I agree with you Frosty and stand by what I originally said from an informational perspective, and much more could be said about existential lifestyle hazards.

There is however a more Spiritual dimension. As I mentioned I am sure all the regulars here already know very well that the Mind is infinitely powerful and that nothing can possibly affect us unless we believe it can, and that goes for all of the factors we discussed.

However, we should always be mindful of the fact also that there are thousands of visitors here every day, many of which will be reading the list of latest posts in the forum. I am sure that most of these casual visitors enjoy their favourite drinks, coffee tea etc, and it had never occurred to them that the water they are consuming might be toxic. after all, it is not the reason they visited here in the first place. But such is the power of the mind, that once that suggestion enters their awareness it may, or may not, cause them worry to the extent the mind makes it real.

If people go to a particular forum to discuss water quality, they do so be willing and ready to accept what they read and process it accordingly. But in the case of this forum, they came for astral projection and related matters and not to be informed that their morning coffee might be toxic, and that really is the point I was making.

Maybe I am being overly sensitive about this, but I do care about the feelings of other people which is why I apologised. 

I have been reflecting on this thread on water quality, which in retrospect may have appeared somewhat alarmist, which was certainly not the intention or purpose which was to inform, specifically on water quality and how to improve it.

From a Spiritual perspective, nothing in existence can possibly harm or affect us unless we believe it can. If we know nothing on Earth can affect us, then nothing will.

I personally choose to live in harmony with nature and the universe to the extent possible, which includes, but not limited to pure water, food and air, and hence my interest in this subject.

Everyone consumes water, the quality of which varies considerably from area to area, so in the event anyone reading this found thread to be disconcerting, I apologise.

I would be wary of any commercial toothpaste, even without fluoride they can contain chemicals. Homemade toothpaste is natural and effective, using e.g. baking soda, activated charcoal and coconut oil.

Absolutely, pure water, pure food and pure air are foundations of good health.

"You have driven me numerous times, but now you know what it is like to be driven."

Interesting experience.

This probably means that whereas the act of driving somewhere is a pre-meditated process engaging the ego and conscious mind, on this occasion, while in an altered state of consciousness, and with allowance, the destination was revealed to you without any effort or conscious input.

When you disengage the conscious mind, the ego, and simply follow your inner guidance, your "inner positioning system", you will always arrive at the right destination in any moment.

Think Fluoride in our drinking water is good for us? Think again!
It's awful for us and greatly harms our spiritual growth (third eye) as well.

Thanks for posting this video Frosty, which is definitely valuable information. I have not watched it as I am already very aware of the reality behind water fluoridation. Suffice it to say, the official reason it is added to water supplies, ostensibly to "protect teeth" is to conceal the real reasons behind it. I will not go into those reasons, I am sure this video covers it well.

Fluoride is not added to the water where I live in England, but nevertheless, we simply do not know what is in mains water supplies as it travels through many miles of very old pipes during which it can collect any number of contaminants, as well as anything that is added.

I have an under the sink "reverse osmosis" system which completely purifies mains water, and which I highly recommend if mains water is at all being used for consumption, e.g. coffee, food etc. Even bottled water may not be as pure as it is purported to be and the cost of bottled water soon adds up, so a reverse osmosis unit might be a very good and healthy investment.

Thanks for your post Tides and honest statement of your perspective which I absolutely respect. And I wish to add that all your contributions here are most welcome. This is a forum where we may feel totally free to state our thoughts, feeling etc before very respectful participants which is valuable these days and what the forum was created for.

I am not going to further comment on the individual in that video, except to say that everyone has a right to there own perspective and to perceive things differently. Herein is the value of a forum for open discussion.  In retrospect it was not necessary to comment on the removal of that video, but I absolutely support Xanth and his exceptional work in continuing these forums for the benefit of all.

Yes AI is a tool with potentially great value, such as the personal computer and Internet, but nevertheless it is still a program built on rules determined by humans and therefore will always be fallible with the potential for misuse of which it is wise to be aware of. I would certainly agree that technology such as the internet, in reaching and facilitating communications between billions of people around the world has most definitely been of considerable value for spiritual awareness.

Wishing you well also, and please continue your valued posts upon which as with all posts from any member we have the freedom to agree with or not.

Our constitution is not just a piece of paper- and this framework has the potential to elaborate upon and extend basic sovereignties for all people all over the world. That's because a Digital ID and AI are considered crucial components to operate in a technologically advancing civilization.

What do you think?"

I would like to make a few brief comments and observations on the original post..

Firstly, "AI" is simply a computer program known as a "Large Language Model". AI lacks real intelligence, it cannot think or reason, it cannot make decisions and totally lacks any form of Love, empathy, compassion or any other such higher human quality. AI is a tool and nothing more, like computers, the Internet etc. and should remain as such.

Technological advancement is totally meaningless in the context of the true purpose human beings "incarnate" on Earth and other planets etc which is to evolve Spiritually, from duality to oneness and ego to Love. There are numerous alien species out there who are technologically advanced far beyond this planet, but are not spiritually advanced as well, although some are both. Earth is fairly unique as primarily a planet chosen by Higher Selves to send incarnations due to the unique fast-track opportunities for spiritual evolution due to the unique challenges that exist here.

As people on this the planet continue to evolve the need for countries, borders, central government etc will fade away, leaving this planet where everyone is a totally free "citizen" of Earth, with no borders, boundaries, rules etc., united only in the progress towards all that really matters - Love.

Finally, I completely agree with Xanth and the removal of that video for the reasons he stated.