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admit he offered up some "healing" and I heard of some people being "healed" but I think they did that ALL on their own

Actually, that could be aimed straight back at belief systems again.  If they believed they'd be healed, then it probably happened.  Phantom illness is another thing on belief systems, convince yourself you're sick and your body will most likely present the symptons (kind of stupid really)

If they believed they'd be healed (something  I don't currently believe in during this day and age, aside from doctors ), beleiving in it, is enough to bring it about.

Healing over the net, u could start up a business!

No idea, I looked back once and couldn't see my body.  It's got something to do with the Real Time Zone (RTZ) theory, there's an informative post on it in the new FAQ section, take a look!  Regarding the entity, never come across one myself but being a natural like you (or so I've been told), I probably will when I venture beyond my room (only done it 3 times and only once did I actually decide to move).  All three were spontaneous, one caught me off guard and I tried to 'swim' back in the air to me (I was above me) then the other two times happened each one after the other and I fell through my bed into the RTZ, once I couldn't move and came back, and the second time, I crawled out from under my bed and made a B-line for the mirror before proceeding to try and 'fly' to prove to myself I was APing and not dreaming.  I ended up landing after a brief delay on my bed and woke myself up.  Great story to share around when drunk but I'm working on it with the Focus states but you seem a lot more experienced than I, and probably older too.

I had some distortion and the like but will try again.

Good luck by the way but it seems to me, you encountered an unplesent entity, duh , can't win em all!

Andali

Just found this:

You have a voice - use it or lose it.

You have a choice - make it or others will take it.

You are here - leave your mark.

But, leave it lightly. (if you're a whimp that is!)

I think it has something to do with collective conciousness, meaning that apparently, everything thought that has ever occured within any human mind, in the past or present, somehow sticks around or something to influence the development of future minds, etc, I dunno there's a definition, ahhh, here!

conscience collective: ideas, norms, and social expectations held important in the minds of all members of a society; the source of religion and morality and the common values developed in society that act as cohesive bonds of social order; contains individual ego-centeredness
"Society is not at all the illogical or alogical, incoherent and fantastic being which has too often been considered. Quite on the contrary, the collective consciousness is the highest form of psychic life, since it is the consciousness of consciousness. Being placed outside of and above individual and local contingencies, it sees things only in
their permanent and essential aspects, which it crystallizes into communicable ideas. At the same time that it sees from above, it sees farther; at every moment of time it embraces all known reality; that is why it alone can furnish the minds with the moulds which are applicable to the totality of things and which make it possible to think of them."

Questions anyone?

Aside from creating APing to a realm like a game, we dream up these things don't we?  And people can project into their dreams.  If action goes by will and thought alone in the astral world, then can't we simply do and create what we wish?  I want a new car!  Rippa Rida!  Ferrari for me!!   All it takes is a little faith and no doubt.  You have to seperate yourself from the norm and discard all you once thought possible.  I say I want to fly, so damn straight I will!

Andali

It depends on what u deem as purpose.  Besides exploring the unknown, I want to visit other dimensions, maybe even the interior of a game (someone here projected into the Final Fantasy realm once I recall)  Basically I did it to prove I could and prove I could actually committ to something but now, I want to be successful at it and basically, I want to fly and see my world from a different perspective and know that I have the knowledge most people never will because they refuse to try and see what the world deems impossible.  They're stuck in a reality where what people tell them isn't possible must not be because it's simply not the norm.  I feel all high and mighty here   but no one's ever asked me what my purpose is for APing.  Suppose I have to find a better one, hmm?  What's your's?

Thanks Stone!  Glad I'm making progress!

Actually, I've only felt them once and tried hard since then and have had 3 spontaneous OBEs where I was in control and felt nothing in either of them no vibrations, nothing.  I can report a grand total of 2, getting vibes, the 1st time I tried to AP (got half out and was pulled back) and 1 when I couldn't AP and just vibrated for ages and I ended up feeling sick from adrenaline and had to get up.  Apparently, they're not necessary for a successful AP

Andali

ur welcome

but it's funny!

Either that or you were losing feeling in your body as a result of mind awake/body asleep.  I fell through my bed once, it was a lot of fun cause it happened twice!  I was lying on my stomach too and not even trying to AP!  No warning, no vibrations, nothin!  Just relaxing feeling and whammo!  I'm floating to the ground in the RTZ (real time zone).  Great!

Good luck Neo!

Andali

Well, thanks for all the help everyone!  I've been on a high most of the day jumping up and down and exclaiming 'I did it, I did it!', of course, my friends are asking me what 'it' is and I simply say, grinning from ear to ear 'I fell through my bed!' of course, one girl I know keeps calling out to me 'don't fall through the floor now!'  *sigh*  And I have to keep saying, no, I didn't break the bed, jk.  

Anyway, the help you guys have given me is great and I'm looking forward to next Saturday morning where I'll give it another shot (the problem will be actually doing it on purpose this time) but now I have more of an idea as to what is going on, I'm sure I'll be more confident and willing to let go, maybe I'll walk through a wall, hmmm.  As for this real time zone thing, I like the sound of it and have had fun so far looking into some posts in the FAQ section.

Flying is a problem when in the real-time zone as you are typically subject to similar belief-system constraints as you are while physical as the near-physical environment locks you into them (such as gravity).

Maybe I'll fly later, hmm?

Andali

P.S. Thanks again!
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Great paper!  I had to read it twice to get the full potential out of it and because of that, I managed to get a focus 12, the first time I tried!  So happy!  And I've been regulary reaching 10 and 12, thanks Major!

Andali

konichiwa!  (not that I can speak Japanese), let me share something!

I had 2 spontaneous OBEs on Saturday morning and I fell through my bed!  No, I didn't break it, but it was hell fun, the falling part but it was all jerky but I'm so proud of me!  *Andali hugs herself with glee*

A note to everyone else here, I set up a forum for Under 18 (and those 18 in spirit), for u guys:

http://www.1-2-free-forums.com/mf/?mforum=kiela

Create a log in and start posting!  Be the first one!  I dare u!

Andali

From my 'new' experience, u don't need the vibes, I accidentally projected twice Saturday morning and fell straight through my bed. Fun!

Andali

When you say you were not wearing your pyjamas are you saying you looked as if you were naked, or were you wearing some other clothing?

I was wearing some other clothing and I remember the color orange, somewhere around my hair but if that might have been aura, mine is usually green.

Aside from that, I looked different in apperence, even my face but I knew it was me at the same time.  I didn't totally like nor understand what I saw but if they were both spontaneous projections, then whoopie!  And getting to focus 12!  Well, I didn't really expect to get any father than MABA.  Maybe that's why I got there, from 'noticing' as you've said once Frank, and not taking interest is what's going on.  I didn't have expectation and I let whatever happen happen.

Perhaps you expect your room to be an exact replica of the physical during an OBE that makes you confused?

Kind of, yeah, I did expect that.  It was basically exact save the underside of the bed which I strangely ended up (though falling felt nice).  I knew where I was was different from the norm because it was darker then it really was at 10am in the morning which is probably about the time it happened.

Thanks for the congrats Major Tom, even though it was unexpected, I'm happy now I have confirmation I've actually done something right pretty much without trying.  As far as talent goes, hmmm....

Of course you will be, you just objectively entered a subjective realm of reality while primarily focused within the physical! Confusion is the name of the game at first. That is where the challenge lies.

So I did go to a parallel realm to my own room, sweet! and it was a different time too!  Sunset maybe?  Feels right to me.

The only reason I wanted to fly, was because that's what I end up doing whenever I lucid dream.  As soon as I realize I'm dreaming, instead of looking at my hands, I fly.

Something else, now the scenario is seeming familar because I recall I use to have what I deemed a recurring dream about getting up but not really being able to see or walk properly and I usually didn't manage to even get a few feet from my bed before I ended up waking up.  Maybe I've been projecting all along?

The odd thing about this experience was, I felt nothing else that I read that seems to accompany OBEs, like the 'butterfly feeling' aka, heart chakra, or vibrations or nothing.  That's what I've grown to expect because of the very first experience of a semi OBE I had, where everything went pretty much to the book but I ran out of energy before I was out.

I recall now, the distortion faded by the time I made it to the mirror, interesting.

Any thoughts?

Andali

The thing I'm confused about is ending up under my bed and the underside of my bed wasn't my current messy underside and in fact had a few things belonging to me but I was confused as to why I ended up under my bed and then stood up when I could.

Andali

P.S. I am calm, just frustrated and confused

Thanks for making this a Sticky whichever moderator did it!

Come on Eric!  Tell us ur dream!

Andali

Dude, I'm still grinning.  This guy is a nutter!  Hey Nay, if you do become a panther or a dragon, attack this moron will you?

Just on a note of interest,  I did some googling on his name (Oazaki), and turned up some interesting finds.

Some people reckon aliens will be making a come back this year (*X-files theme*) and it's all got to do with some order called the Zhedhi Order, which our little insane friend (not) here seems to want to be a part of for he's named himself after some dude:

Quote from: http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread50601/pg3

"So I read some information, brought to me by the trust in my intuition to find the truth that I seek, that this war will happen this year. Between the Good factinos and the evil factions. There will be a "Zhedhi Order" which is lead by a man who calls himself "Oazaki" and claims to be "Justice". THis Zhedhi Order will be fighting for the side of Humanity."

I guess we know the loser is warped but is it possible to be warped beyond warped?  This Zhedhi thing is ringing Star Wars in my ears.

"Basically, The Zhedhi Order is a revolutionary order founded for the purpose of overthrowing the established world governments and associated repressive socioeconomic systems." - http://p078.ezboard.com/fjeditemple39003courtyard.showMessage?topicID=711.topic

Read it if you want to laugh at another insane guy calling himself Oazaki (or perhaps it's the same guy? )

Question, if this guy really believes in his 'karma power'  then why hasn't posted back? Hmm?  Chicken?

Love the dragon by the way!

Andali

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Hang on, not being able to see or turn your head the way you want, etc, sounds like recurring dreams I used to have where I'd get up and walk but could hardly move and I couldn't see properly the way I wanted, do u think it was possible I was APing all along?  But I couldn't feel my heart going nuts or anything.

Andali

Okay, I've been itching all weekend to get on the net and now I'm here.

Let me explain and sorry if it's long winded cause I need to give you as much info as I can and I haven't been able to talk about it with anyone because no one would understand.  Breathe in, breathe out.

I recently read some great topics on phasing and the focus levels.  A paper by Major Tom and some great posts by Frank.  I decided to give focus levels a shot for a while becaue I hadn't been having too much luck with trying AP.  Friday night, I lay down and relaxed like I usually did and actually managed to get to focus 10.  No fear, nothing, just a plesent floating inside my own head.  I ended up watching some little geometric white shapes flash in front of my eyes like something weird on a static TV screen.  I got bored and decided to roll over and go to sleep.  I had a couple of dreams that weren't really relevent to what happened but were vivid and I recalled them which I usually can't do.

I woke up around 8am (oh, and fell asleep before 11pm last night), and went to let the dog out.  I then went backt to bed and decided to try focus 10 again because of the success I had.  I managed to get back in under half an hour like the last night and ended up watching green and orange swirls for a while until my leg twitched and I got bored again.  I wanted to go back to sleep but couldn't for at least an hour and when I finally did, I had another two dreams which switched to semi lucid and I woke myself up.  I tried to sleep again but got four shots of paralysis and became annoyed.  Eventually I managed sleep again but then the thing that totally freaked me out happened.  I was lying on my stomach and suddenly my bed seemed to lean towards the ground and I esentially felt myself falling through my bed.  I floated to the floor under my bed and lay there for a moment thinking OMG I APed but then I tried to move and couldn't.  I then realized that the underneath of my bed didn't look like the under of my real be (cause it was too clean).  I tried to mvoe my fingers and opened my eyes.

The odd part is, it happened again.  I tried to fall back to sleep again and fell through my bed again.  I wasn't afraid and this time I could move.  I managed to crawl out from under my bed.  I noticed that everything I saw seemed to ripple, like static flashing across my vision like a bad picture on a TV, big slash recurring through the middle.  I stood up and stumbled over to the mirror on the back of my door and looked at myself (cause if I ever APed, that's what I planned to do), I looked different to me and wasn't wearing my pajamas and then I turned and looked back at my bed but couldn't see me.  I thought I couldn't be APing if I couldn't see me.  So, I walked back to my bed and decided to try and fly (I always try this in lucid dreams), I jumped and there was only a brief hesitation and then I landed on my bed.  Movement wasn't fluid like APing should be, it was jerky and I was stumbling.  I woke up again and got up, deciding not to risk whatever happened again.

Basically, I'm confused.  I reached focus 10 another time since Saturday morning (when this happened) and besides what I've stated here (and falling into a parallel Universe), I'm confused and kind of un-balanced by what happened.  I know people that have read my posts before have said reaching paralysis is a good think but this is different.  I don't want to reach it, it just happens every now and then, especially early in the morning like 3am or something stupid like that.  It just hits me and I can't move and it isn't at all plesent.  As far as falling through the bed goes, aside from being rather fun and aside from me being pleased with myself from reaching focus 10, almost even 12, I'm totally confused and really need answers.  I've only talked to my friend that's trying AP too and I know more than her.

I'd like to know, what the hell happened, why and anything else anyone can tell me because nothing like this has ever happened to me before.

Andali

Don't know, ask Frank maybe?

welcome Kris!  Don't fret, keep trying.  It'll happen when you least expect it.

Andali

P.S. I know how you feel

That may work, thanks

I tried something with BWGEN yesterday but didn't get into the vibes stage, probably cause I wasn't keeping at it long enough.  I tried again without it later on that night and pretty much reached the same stage as BWGEN got me to.  It felt different from other times I've tried to AP but I gave up at 10:15pm.  I woke up at almost 4am for no apparnet reason and couldn't get back to sleep.  When I started to get close to sleeping, I got hit with a paralysis I had had before I started trying AP again.  I got that twice before I flipped onto my back deciding I'd try and take advantage of it and try to AP from a paralysis state.  No avail.  I fell asleep shortly after that I think during another bout of it.  Annoying to say the least and the experience isn't exactly plesent.  Anyway, any suggestions?  No matter how hard I try and how hard I don't try, I can't get any vibes.  Help!

Andali

I tried something with BWGEN yesterday but didn't get into the vibes stage, probably cause I wasn't keeping at it long enough.  I tried again without it later on that night and pretty much reached the same stage as BWGEN got me to.  It felt different from other times I've tried to AP but I gave up at 10:15pm.  I woke up at almost 4am for no apparnet reason and couldn't get back to sleep.  When I started to get close to sleeping, I got hit with a paralysis I had had before I started trying AP again.  I got that twice before I flipped onto my back deciding I'd try and take advantage of it and try to AP from a paralysis state.  No avail.  I fell asleep shortly after that I think during another bout of it.  Annoying to say the least and the experience isn't exactly plesent.  Anyway, any suggestions?  No matter how hard I try and how hard I don't try, I can't get any vibes.  Help!

Andali