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I'm sorry but I really do not understand terms such as "brow chakra" and "third eye" and so forth. Yes, I have read about such things in the past but I'm really not all that clued up, definition-wise.

But what I do know is, the act of projection is a very natural part of the human condition. You are good at visualisation so a good solution may be to simply visualise yourself being a complete beginner starting from scratch.

Yours,
Frank

Regarding the brow chakra or third eye - I am no expert either, I just know that it is in the centre of the forehead and associated with psychic abilities

As far as your suggested visualisation goes - that would be imagination I guess rather than visualisation. But you have a very good point - the vast majority of people are so used to the concept of deep relation, trance, exit methods etc., that to do your method literally does mean unlearning all of that, and focussing on allowing the awareness to rise as you describe.

The key to relaxation and trance might be the fact that you suggest early in the morning after waking up, where these conditions would be present naturally of course. I would think that using an alarm clock set a couple of hours before getting up would be a very good idea in conjunction with your method.

Anyway - thanks again for all of your patience and assistance here

Perhaps everyone who tries Frank's methods could report back with progress and results?

With kind regards,

Adrian.

Greetings Violet!

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Dear Adrian,

There must be a problem with my settings because now I can not see the images. I use Netscape.  

Many Thanks

Still totally clueless,
Violet

I am sure you are not clueless at all, and I like blondes  

My guess is that Netscape will not display bitmap (.bmp) images - actually, there seems to be quiet a few things like that with Netscape. But I can see them fine, and I am sure everyone else with Internet Explorer can as well. If you have Windows, IE is a much better bet these days in my opinion.

But most people use IE, and we can all see your images fine thanks

Thanks again for shareing them with us!

Best regards,

Adrian.

[let your awareness drify upwards]

Greetings Frank!

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2) You are an amazing visualiser, Adrian. I couldn't even begin to do a tenth of the visualisation actions you describe and with SUCH clarity and accuracy too!

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Thanks - but it doesn't seem amazing to me - I am not even sure I have the visualisation abilities that you kindly credit me with

I do use visualisation for some of my path work (as it were). But, to give you an idea, with point shift for example, I see a copy of myself standing a few feet away, while being aware of the altered spatial characteristics - e.g. my physical body behind. As for rope - I just can't do that. Every time I try, I "see" a thick glowing etheric white rope hanging from the ceiling, and I see my "hands" holding the rope. That is extremely off putting when it comes to actually imagining these things as you are supposed to do.

But, on balance, visualisation abilities are very useful as well, and I don't want to supress them, and that is one reason for my grat interest in your techniques.

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All you do is let your awarenes drift upwards. It will tend to follow the eyes anyway so please do practice allowing them to roll back. The idea is to give it an initial nudge, then it will continue of its own accord... if you can let it. But the ability to do that comes with practice. Which is fun to do because at least you know you are on the right track. There is nothing more soul destroying than doing a whole load of work and then realising it was all to no avail.  

You must think I am being incredibly dense here

But when you say let your awareness drify upwards,  do you mean let it keep going upwards ad-infinitum, or just to that point on your forehead, which is the brow chakra, and then let it stay at that point?

Again - here is where I have to be careful of visualising instead of a passive thing.

I believe you are very correct though - most OBE techniques involve great efforts in relaxation, trance, awareness shifting and so on. To suddenly be confronted by a method, which has to make incredible sense, and much, much easier in theory thn all other methods, because it is natural, is very difficult to adapt to.

So; the eyes roll up, and the awareness drifts upwards to where? And when does one stop it from drifting upwards and wait for the imagry from the Astral?

Apologies again for being so slow on the uptake - but I am sure everyone would appreciate getting this exactly right. A numbered list of steps would be great!

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It helps to use a little meta-physical imagery just to set the process off. Please see my new post where I talk about how I manipulated Mr Bruce's ROPE technique to good effect. Also, I do not wish to appear rude, but I honestly would not know a "brow chakra" from a hole in the ground and I haven't got a psychic bone in my body. I've heard of these chakra points or areas. But I could never get my head around all the more esoteric mystical stuff. I find it all rather too complex to unravel, I'm afraid.

If I start to imagine anything, I will blow it I will just see rope and hands everywhere, not to mention other things.

The brow chakra is also known as the "third eye" - it is associated with psychic abilities including tuning in to the Astral. It seems to be you have those abilities. It wouldn't surprise me if you were clairvoyant as well

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As your consciousness plugs into the area of the brain that connects with Astral matter, you should start to see visions in your mind. These visions are distinct from the stray energy you pass through at first. Last time, I saw was a golden coloured building. Other times I may just see wonderous colours.

That's a bit I can't grasp yet. The awareness drifts up - fine Does one then halt it at the brow area and await the visions, or just allow the awareness to drift ever upwards? If I did the latter, I would probably start seeing ceilings, the moon etc.  

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Understand that, at this stage, the process is largely out of your control. So you do not have to think about questions such as, "How high do you visualise your consciousness rising?" And so forth. You only need the intial visualisation "technique" or visualisation anything... just in order to set the process off.

Aaagh back to visualisation again   I guess it is actually more "imagination", in that one imagines the point of awareness drifting upwards and so on?

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If you can just let that rising sensation continue, it will mainly be automatic from then on. As you feel that rising, chances are you will begin to see all kinds of mental imagery. Stray energy, colours, shapes, anything. In other words, there will be lots of distractions that will almost certainly snap you back at first.

I think I am beginning to understand - eventually  

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Once I could have sworn there was the head of a wolf pressing against me. It looked like I was staring into its left eye from about 5cm away. So I just looked at it, curious as to what it was and/or what it was doing. Sometimes it can be beneficial if there is some stable visual "thing" close by that you can concentrate on. That way, whatever is going on in the background is far less distracting.  

3) My other post about my experiences with ROPE touches on the reliability question. You will remember more if you keep the experiences short. Which you must do at first. But before considering all of that, you need to work on getting to the vibration stage. Which is what happens if you can teach yourself to allow your consciousness to keep drifting once you feel it start. Then you can take the next step which is to learn to control things from then on.

One "problem" is that it seems to be just too easy compared to almost any other method I have encountered!

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Jo made a valued contribution to this thread about potential difficulties you have yet to face.

Thank you for your kind comments, Adrian, both in this and other posts. Myself, I am grateful that people have found my contributions useful.

It is the first time I ever made any contributions to a BBS on this topic. It was Mr Bruce who put me in touch with you all. And I sincerely wish those of you who have yet to experience it, every success in your first projection.

It is my pleasure I assure you, and that of the forums.

Your patience with people like me, and genuine knowledge and experience is most valuable.

Look forward to having your around for years to come  

Best regards,

Adrian.

Greetings Frank!

This method does make alot of sense as I said before - however you look at it.

I gave it a try last night - but was tired. But a couple of questions arise:

1) Is it best to try your method after going to bed for the night - i.e. to Astral travel while you sleep? Or can this method be used at anytime?

2) I am so used to using supreme effort to exteriorise point of awareness and hold it there, that I couldn't let go of that habit! I found myself trying to actually *force* my awareness upwards, just as would do to exteriorise it. I gather from what you are saying that is exactly the wrong thing to do?

BTW - do you allow your awarness to only rise as far as the centre of the forehead - which of course is the position of the brow chakra, usually associated with psychic abilities, or do you allow your awareness to rise completely though the top of your head?

It did occur to me that as you find this method so easy and reliable, you might well have psychic abilities anyway.

3) What about memory recall of your Astral experiences upon return?

The holy grails of Astral Projection are reliable projection at at will, and full memory recall of the Astral experiences afterwards.

Thanks once again - it is great to have you around

With best regards,

Adrian.

Greetings Barbara!

Welcome to these humble forums, and thank you for your excellent intro.!

I hope you find much of value and enjoyment here

You might take a look at this thread from this same forum, and in particular the contributions by Frank, which I regard as extremely useful to say the least:

http://www.astralpulse.com/forums/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=469

With best regards,

Adrian.

Greetings Daniel!

First of all - the Qabbalah (or Kabbalah) is extremely important and extremely sacred.

The things you need to realise in finding Qabbalah texts to study, are that the original sacred Qabbalah was composed in ancient Hebrew, and further to that is highly symbolic.

It is also, in many ways, related to Genesis One, which is also symbolic, and likely not, as most people believe, directly referencing the creation of the physical world we live in as imagined by the literal text, and the way people assume it.

That said, you would do very well to study the Qabbalah in my opinion, but you will have to find your own sources - I cannot influence you on that.

I can however point you to a URL which gives you some idea - not the work I would use as a basis however:

http://www.sacred-texts.com/jud/kabintr.htm

As an aside, the web site Sacred Texts contains a wealth of valuable ancient works, and if you do not already know about it, I would like to share the location with you:

http://www.sacred-texts.com/index.htm

Best regards,

Adrian.

Greetings!

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Bhikku,

Glad to hear that you like the finer things in life 'a good game of rugby' that is. I have had a few real time projections and did in fact succeed the hard way after much practice but i thought the tapes or BWG might make it easier, plus i am very interested in remote viewing which apparently is easier then OBE but i can't get to grips with it at all.

Regards,

Richard

You can download a free 18 hour course on remote viewing, and also in text format from here:

http://www.farsight.org/learning.html

I advise you now though - it consists of 128Mb of sound files

Remote viewing is a discipline in its own right and should be well, viewed as such. But it can produce very accurate results, if you want something which is non-visual.

Best regards,

Adrian.

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Hi,

Does anyone have any experience of using either Brainwave Generator or the Monroe Gateway series tapes as i was considering purchasing one or the other, preferably BWG as it is cheap as chips compared to Gateway programme?

There is an even less expensive, and highly thought of series of products here:

http://www.brainwave-entrainment.com/

They have CD's for Lucid Dreams, Astral Trance, and a wide range of hemi-sync mind states.

But I agree with Bhikku, if you use these things you will tend to become dependant on them for your trance work. Worth a look though if that is the way you want to go - Marc Vandekeer is reckoned to be an extremely helpful and friendly person, and has an excellent reputation for his products.

Best regards,

Adrian.

Greetings Frank!

Thanks once again for your excellent advice

I will definitely try this method. I am a visualiser and a concentrator, so the method you suggest will be very different! But it makes sense based on my knowledge from other areas, and, if it works as I am sure it will, it will also be quite something for many.

Just a couple of followup questions - how long does this method take to perfect (do you think - I know it will vary from person to person) and once perfected, how long does it take to project from the beginning of each Astral session?

Also - once you feel vibrations, do you need an exit technique, or do you just head straight for the Astral? This appears to be another significant variation.

Best regards,

Adrian.

[within the head]

Greetings Frank!

Would you be kind enough to clarify one thing in particular on this issue of "positioning point of awareness" - because I think you *really* do have something very significant here?

When you talk about "raising point of awareness", I understand it to mean raising the point of awareness within the head? I emphasise this, because every other technique I have encountered for Astral projection in the accepted sense of the word, per Astral Dynamics for example, requires this deep physical relaxation and trance, and most of all, in all cases  *exteriorisation* of awareness.

Your technique - which BTW makes alot of sense for reasons way beyond the scope of this thread - involves what I would say is a normal state of relaxed awareness and mindstate, but with the shifting of the point of awareness focus, to another part of the front of the forehead, and while that point of awareness remains internal to the physical body?

As I said, I really do think you have something very important here - it is certainly very revolutionary compared to most other methods I have read and practiced, and could assist many people to project, who would not otherwise be able to project.

I would also just like to thank your once again for your *exceptional* contributions to these forums which are very much appreciated.

Your perspective amd experience are very welcome, and you are certainly assisting alot of people here for which I thank you most sincerely!

Keep it coming

With best regards,

Adrian.

Greetings!

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I saw an extremely convincing show not long ago that suggests that Atlantis is the continent of S. America (it fits Plato's description exactly).  I'm not familiar with the

Well I don't know about Atlantis - I remain totally open minded - but it has to be said that the South Americas has much going for it in that legend. The ancient civilisations of the Inca's, Toltek's, Mayan's and others where very advanced and mysterious in many respects. And they also seemed to disappear quite rapidly.

I personally think that if Atlantis did exist, it is now most likely under the sea somewhere, due to a a catastrophic event, most likely an earthquake, or some other sceismological happening which caused the civilisation to sink beneath the oceans. I saw a science demonstration recently of a phenomena called "liquifaction" caused by earthquakes, in the context of trying to prove the fate of the ancient cities of Soddom and Gomorrah. If I was to speculate as to where in the Oceans, I would say that off the South America's is a possibility, but more likely the Eastern Mediterranean.

Of course - some people believe that Atlantis still exists in the bowels of the Earth somewhere, and the civilisation still exists, and they visit us by AP.

Who knows - the truth is out there

Best regards,

Adrian.

Greetings Qui-Gon Jinn!

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SANDY, I´m to am turning more and more into raw food, one really feels the difference,

Well if you are turning into raw food, do not go near anyone who is feeling hungry

Apologies for that - couldn't resist. Your English is actually excellent!

For many, many years I have only eaten once per day - in the evening. Sometimes even then I just have a few slices of bread with a spread of some sort.

I feel fine - except my jeans won't stay up, even with the belt on the maximim notch

I have also given up alcohol - I didn't drink much anyway - sometimes just a couple of glasses of wine with my bread. But it does make a difference - all of these things do.

With kind regards,

Adrian.

Greetings Everyone!

I don't want to go too far off-topic here, but there are plenty of people about who claim to channel, and indeed are incarnated from the Pleides and Arcturus regions of the universe. I think that these people believe that Arcturians and Pleidians are the same race as Earth people, and when we reincarnate, it could be on any of these planets.

Again - I can't comment, because I just don't follow that line of thinking, but I am interested to hear other peoples theories and experiences on these things, since we are on a similar subject.

Best regards,

Adrian.

Greetings Everyone!

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Jason,I,ve heard of literally 20 or 30 locations on earth that
people from time to time have sworn that its located there.
Mobius

That sounds very much like Avalon of the Arthurian times

Although many places have "claimed" Avalon, Glastonbury being the most obvious (and most dubious in my opinion), the Isle of Man is now recognised as a most likely location. The legend talks of an Isle in the Western Seas (which the Isle of Man is), and of its ancient references to Emain Ablach and the Isle of Apples. There are also close associations with the Celtic deity Mannanan mac Lir after whom the Island derives its modern name - correctly "Isle of Mann".

We also have the Castle, and most everything else associated with the legend.

I don't think we can lay claim to Atlantis however

I believe Atlantis did exist or possibly even still does exist. I have no further views on that matter - I am not an Atlantean follower.

Actually - I have heard the Antarctic as being a likely place - the Arctic is pure ice and no land, and that would seem a bit odd - but who knows?

Best regards,

Adrian.

Greetings Mobious and all!

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2)The Piri Reis map of 1500 & something depicted Antarctica with
very little ice & showed rivers & land marks & it was not supposed
to be have been mapped or thought to have anyone gone there until the
late 1800,s.

We do know that 100M years or so ago that Antartica was full of life which inhabited large forests, rivers and the like. That is why these days there is reckoned to be huge fossil fuel reserves there. Thank goodness it is protected  

Back then, Australia was connected to Antartica, and dinosaurs would migrate in the summer from Aus down to the Antartic forests. At one time the Indian sub-continent was connected to Antartica as well - that drifted north well

More info here for those that are interested in prehistoric matters:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/dinosaurs/chronology/106/index.shtml

Best regards,

Adrian.

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Dear Adrian,

Sometime over the long weekend I will try to post some example images of the symbols I see.

Many Thanks,
Patricia

Greetings!

That would be most excellent!  

To post images in a message, you can use the image tags with the URL of the images in between. If you don't have a server to put them on, please send the images to me, and I will put them on this server  - all you will need to do then is to place them in your message.

With kind regards,

Adrian.

Greetings!

No doubt that motor vehicles are one of the major environmental disaster areas, and one upon which the whole plant has come to depend. The problems of course are the extraction of fossil fuels, and, in particular, exhaust waste output.

I have seen demonstrations of Hydrogen powered cars, which are every bit as fast and efficient as petrol driven. The bye-product is good old water - 2 hydrogens combine with an oxgen as combustion occurs. I also have in mind, rather than spewing the water vapour into the atmosphere, having condensation units and collection tanks under the vehicles to collect the water. That water could then be used for any household purpose - watering the lawn, washing the car, even drinking if purified first. It solves pollution and water shortages in one fell swoop - how green do people want to get?

The rain forests are a *very* major concern - a major source of the planets oxgen - and carbon dioxide absorption due to photosynthesis. That, and global warming, are huge threats, which this generation are leaving as a legacy to future generations unless something is done very soon.

Best regards,

Adrian.

Greetings Hephaestus!

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Well I use something similar to this point shift technique and usually after half an hour I tend to get the tiniest sound in my ears that I heard the first time I ever had an oobe but the sound is very very slight and if it wasn't totally quiet in the room id never hear it - so I believe I may be on the right track but no matter how long I remain like that and attempt to relax etc the noise just doesn't get any louder and I start getting an itchy head or itchy cheak or itchy leg.
I feel i'm just not capable of inducing an OOBE and that I can get to a certain point but no further - even using the technique I used first time of waking in the night and trying it while very tired doesn't work.

As Robert points out in AD and elsewhere, unless you have the right level of trance, and most importantly body relaxation - like you simply cannot feel it - *any* exit technique will be very difficult at best (rope being an exception), or impossible.

Your best way forward is probably to focus on relaxation excercises - breath awareness is very good, and trance, and also meditation before worrying too much about the exit. Many people achieve spontaneous OBE's from these states in any case.

Good luck, and don't be discouraged!

Best regards,

Adrian.

Greetings Frank!

Thanks once again for a most informative and wise post

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A lot of my early obe experiences turned out to be hallucinations. Like the 5 years or so I spent in what I termed the "training zone" mentioned in another post. At first it can be tricky separating your own hallucinations from genuine interactions with other beings. The mind can often "play tricks" on you in the physical... but on the Astral, it's trick-city.

What "zone" was this "training zone". I mean, was it entirely in your mind, was it the "real time zone" or non of the above?

Perhaps more importantly - how did you, after five years (and that pereverance is a credit to you and an example to others), start to cease experiencing hallucinations, and start experiencing the Astral proper, and much more importantly - how did did you come to differentiate between the two?

Robert, in AD, compares visualisation abilities in the Astral vis a vis the physical, as like comparing the most advanced super-computer (Astral) with a toy calculator (physical). It is not difficult to see how thought forms can be created, and viewed as real - especially against a desire to see something specific, or meet with Angels, Deities etc.. And there is subjective versus objective imagery

The passive, interested, bystander approach seems excellent advice to me!

With best regards,

Adrian.

Greetings Everyone!

Yes, Frank is absolutely right in my opinion!

I started out life as a scientist as well (organic chemist) before I moved into running computer businesses. And as such, I believe that it is encumbent on all of these to find the truth for ourselves by experimentation and involvement, approached from a rational position.

It is so easy to be influenced by others, and humans have a tendency to be both cynical, and believe what they want to believe - i.e. that which gives them the least to think about usually - the most acceptable.

This applies to all metaphysical and spiritual positions. I know several extremely advanced people in these areas, I respect them enormously, ask them questions, get excellent answers, and so on. But at the final analysis you have to prove it to yourself, and that's it.

On this topic - yes, you can project in the "real time zone", but the first thing to be aware of is that is only a fluctuating reflection of the physical environment. Secondly - yes, you can project to Afghanistan or anywhere else - but you still have to search. It could could be said that the lack of limitations of OBE would make this search more efficient and quicker.

I do agree entirely that RV'ers should find these people though. RV is a totally different discipline, and interacts differently. I would be most surprised if RV'ers haven't "seen" Bin Laden, but might not know the exact location (or how to describe it), or how to get there physically.

These questions are very good ones however - well worth considering.

With kind regards,

Adrian.

Greetings DJ!

It sounds all in all to have been a fairly productive conversation with your Dad

The most important thing is that he wants you to find out your own truth regarding OBE's. It might not be his truth, because he might not want to believe it, or just can't comprehend it based on what he had been bought up to believe and knows.

But what matters is your truth. When you have reached the point where you have proved these things for yourself, you can make a decision as to whether to share your findings with your Dad. If he doesn't believe it or accept it - leave it right there with him, and carry on discovering.

Best regards,

Adrian.

Greetings Frank!

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The Astral planes contain an infinite number of symbols. The solution to their meaning, or why the symbols have been put where you came across them, or the "why's" and "wherefore's" of any Astral event: can usually be got by staying near and adopting an air of mild curiosity. Someone will almost always come along and explain it for you. As I touched on in another post, if you try and work it out for yourself it tends to just get more and more confusing.

There are vast areas of the Astral planes devoted to all manner of circumstances and events. Symbols are, of course, no exception. A way to transport yourself to these areas is through use of metaphysical imagery, as explained in another post to this thread.

Yours,
Frank

Excellent, and most interesting post - thanks very much for your insight there

I am most interested in Astral symbolism and symbolic gateways and happenings, and in particular in the possibility of collecting such symbols for people to use. These forums support graphics if anyone has any symbolic imagery - but it need to be a reference to a graphics image as a URL on a Web server. If people don't have a web server, but do have some images, send them to me and I will put them on the main server.

Best regards,

Adrian.

Greetings!

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Point shift + [100%(concentration)]= success.

I would add that full body relaxation and trance state first would help as well.

Point shift is a "classic" projection technique in my opinion.

Robert's rope and its variations have the benefit of inducing the trance conditions etc., as a component of the entire process, and is therefore a revolutionary new approach.

Best regards,

Adrian.

Greetings Hephaestus!

Point shift is a very powerful exit technique, but does require an unwavering mental concentration level. You need to fully exteriorise your whole body awareness, to the extent you know beyond doubt that you, i.e. your awareness, are standing in your exteriorised body. You need to hold that situation, while being spatially fully aware of your position relative to both everything in the room, and your actual physical body.

If you succeed, the vibrations will occur, followed by the exit reflex.

Best regards,

Adrian.

Greetings Qui-Gon!

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..spying "method"...  it just hit me it must be, I´m sure good old US of A have a covert program with a team of full time OBE´ers out there.....   they could check out EVERYTHING in their "real-time-doubles"... I know they´ve had covert remote viewing programs financed by the government for many years, probably still have today but wouldn´t it be more effective with a TEAM of successful real-time travellers, what do you think??
- Your focus determines your reality -

Indeed this is an excellent point you make. RV is perceptual (as I understand it), whereas with an OBE in the RTZ it is the same as being there - i.e. a reflection of sensory physical reality. I would be amazed if this was not occuring right now.

Of course, if it was occuring, we would not know about it that's for sure

Best regards,

Adrian.