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Greetings Daniel!

The left hand column of each post gives the user name and location of the poster.

But I reside in the Isle of Man, which is a seperate country in the British Isles.

Actually, we have the longest running system of government in the World, dating back over 1000 years, founded by the Vikings. The Island is an very mystical place, with a very interesting history indeed, which I won't go into right now.

But the Isle of Man follows a very similar educational system to the UK where I was raised, in Central England. Here, as there, "religious education" (RE) and "scripture" (christian religious history) are mandatory. Also mandatory is morning "assembly" where children are required to participate in christian prayer and hymn singing. Very often, as is the case with my children, the religious teachers are actually christian ministers and who have a particular interest in recruiting for the church. If one challenges this, one might be looked upon as some sort of blasphemous heathen, who is booking his ticket to hell.

As I said before, you speak alot of sense, and you are clearly very sincere in your beliefs and I respect that. But you are, after all, evangelising for the LDS church, which, in part, proves my point about religious indoctrination generally. I don't have any problem with you stating your beliefs and views here by the way, it provides a useful balance, but I am sure you can see what I am saying in general terms.

At the very final analysis, the LDS and its congregation, are actively engaged in recruiting for your church, just as many other religious groups do - I am sure you know the ones I mean - the ones that arrive in pairs on the doorstep with their messages

I am saying that children should be presented with all the facts (without the dogma), and the information sources for all spiritual paths, and allowed to formulate their own truth over however many years it takes them to do so. It might take a lifetime or many lifetimes.

BTW - am I right in saying that the LDS or Mormon church require their congregation to compulsarily contribute a percentage (10%?) of their income to the church? Forgive me if I am wrong, but if I am right then that does add a definite commercial motivation.

Best regards,

Adrian.

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Greetings Inguma!

I hear and respect what you say.

But you can take it from me, that children generally believe what they are taught by their parents, teachers and others in authority they look to for the truth.

In school and church they are taught religion as fact, and not in the context of ancient history or science.

If children are taught something is so, then they accept it instinctively as factual, and "unlearning" it many years later is very difficut - indeed most people either cannot, or more likely find it more convenient not to even try - they just accept the dogma.

My children have asked me whether they should take any notice of the religion they are taught at school. I have told them that it is "real" to the people who teach it, and they are sincere in their beliefs, but that is all they are - the beliefs of those people, and they must be respected. I tell them to listen respectfully to what is being said. But they also have all the opportunities they need at all times to study astrophysics, evolution, metaphysics etc. (my eldest studies all of those avidly as well as Astral projection, TK etc,), but not to formulate any opinion, or decide upon a true spiritual path (if they want to pursue such a path), until they are old enough to understand all of the issues involved to the extent they can be understood, and progress from there. At the final analysis, I would unconditionally support whatever spiritual path they chose to take.

But I see so many school children who are sadly unquestioning religious copies of their parents. They wear crucifix's, and ridicule other children who do not, or say they do not believe in christianity etc.. Their parents are generally very biggoted sadly, as are many teachers. Fortunately, my children are like me - we do not bother what other people think of us - it is not important - they have their lives to lead, and we have our own.

It is a difficult issue I know, but I have to say that christianity uses schools, and the promise of heaven, or threat of hell, to propogate itself and keep itself alive.

Best regards,

Adrian.

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Greetings Daniel!

I do respect and admire your stance, believe me - because it is very sincere. I do find the LDS church somewhat of an enigma from what you have kindly taken the time to teach  us about it here in this forum - but that is not to judge it in any way - I suspect its congregation are more devout and sincere in their beliefs and practices than many catholics, protestants etc. are.

But a couple of things that I must point out. Yes - we have a duty as parents to protect them from, and teach our children about, *every day* dangers of life - of which there are all too many at every turn.

But from a religious or spiritual standpoint, the only truth is ones own truth - you say:

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I know that we must teach our children what we have found to be true...ideas and beliefs that help us to grow and know who we truly our..to understand our potential, etc.

But what is true for you, might not be true for them, and therefore you are unwittingly influencing their real truth from an early age, and which it might take them many years to turn about, if their truth turns out to be along an alternative spiritual path.

The only way to approach this matter with children (in my opinion) is to point them in the right direction of where to discover the truth for themselves, without putting forward any pro-forma opinion, and definitely without compelling them to attend any church where they are saturated with the truth of others as if it were the absolute and only truth. This is why I object strongly to religion, any religion being taught in schools as if it were every bit as much of a fact as math, history, science, geography etc..

Let them read about astrophysics, evolution, metaphysics, Magic etc., and when they are old enough let them read the Kabbalah (no mean task), Hermetics, Buddhism and so on. BTW - I am not a Buddhist and could not become one - it is not my own path - but I do have a particular respect for Buddha and Buddhism generally.

Our duty as parents is to facilitate the truth, not indoctrinate our children.

Best regards,

Adrian.

Greetings Kristen!

If you do a search on: http://www.google.com for crystals and crystal correspondences etc., you will turn up a bunch of information. It is mainly a witchy/Wiccan thing. Here is one page of search results:

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&ie=ISO-8859-1&oe=ISO-8859-1&q=crystal+correspondences&btnG=Google+Search

I am not sure about most crystals, but Quartz in its various forms definitely does seem to have special characteristics - big clear Quartz crystals are used by channelers for example.

Best regards,

Adrian.

Greetings Focus15!

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PS. Adrian,
Quote: The moderators for these forums have been carefully picked. All have proven their integrity, and their interest and desire to actively participate in this online forum community, and for no other reasons.

Who moderate the moderators? Nothing wrong here, just curiosity.

Robert selects the moderators for these forums. I am honoured to do all the techie stuff and try to keep everything running - with some degree of success I hope

Greetings!

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What about good old Aleister Crowley and Dion Fortune? Can books get more interesting and essential than that?

Well that rather depends on what you think of "good" old Aleister Crowley as a source.

I never judge people without knowing all the facts (which I certainly don't about Crowley), but we do know that Crowley always openly and vehemently claimed to be the anti-christ, "beast who's number is 666" which governed his life and inspired his practices. There was a very interesting documentary on TV here recently, one of a series called "Masters of Darkness", that filmed, for the first time, some the places associated with Crowley, including his "abbey" of Thelema.

You can read more about it here:

http://www.channel4.com/history/microsites/M/masters_darkness/crowley.html

I would add that this program does demonstrate somewhat of a lack of understanding of occult matters, and in particular what Abramelin and King Solomon's Goetia actually are for example.

As for books to recommend:

Modern Magick by Donald Kraig is an excellent book - particularly for work on important rituals such as the Lesser Banishing Ritual of the Pentagram (LBRP), Banishing Ritual of the Hexagram(BRH) and the Middle Pillar Ritual. It is very ritualistic, Golden Dawn inspired - not that that detracts from the book at all - depends what you are seeking.

Astral Dynamics by our own Robert Bruce is unsurpassed on the Astral/OBE/Energy subjects.

And save enough for Robert's new book "Practical Psychic Self Defence", which should be out in a couple of months I hope. That will be a definitive, trailblazing publication I can't wait for PPSD - I do hope it doesn't get delayed for any reason.

Best regards,

Adrian.

Greetings Daniel!

In your enthusiasm, you posted the same message as a reply three times - I have deleted the first two postings as they are identical to the final one. I assume it was a mistake on your part.

But please read your own post, you speak thus:

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...but I attend church once a week and my children will too. At church we testify of the things we have come to know, and at home we teach that there is a God, we are His children, He loves us and He wants us to return to Him. We also teach that Jesus Christ is His son and our brother.

This to me is religious indoctrination and dogma, every bit as much as christianity, as you are still presenting these things to children as if they are facts rather than ideas or concepts.

I must stress, I would never, ever seek to deny people these rights to follow any path they choose, but what you say does highlight my point about influencing children, who, for the most part, are unlikely to go against the religion expected by their families.

Best regards,

Adrian.

Greetings Andy and everyone!

Andy, Yes, I have to agree with you on this.

I rejected christianity at the age of 7 years old also - it just made no sense at all to me, and as I was also in interested in astronomy, astrophysics and evolution, it made even less sense to me. But above all of that, I intuitively *knew* that I *had* to lead my life in discovery of my *own* Spiritual truth, and that is more or less what I have done ever since.

One thing that I am extremely unhappy about is that in Britain, schools compulsorily teach christianity as if it is an incontrovertible fact, rather than part of middle eastern history and geography. Children are taught that the bible is absolutely beyond question, and that all it contains is factual rather than open to historical and philosophical interpretation. Anyone child who dares dispute these teachings is treated very adversly. I know, because, at the age of 7 years, I openly stated to my religious education teacher, who also happened to be the village Church of England Vicar, that I could not accept what was being taught as fact. That caused a real storm I can tell you

But this is a serious situation - children are impressionable, and look to their teachers and parents for the absolute truth in all things. Children are being seriously misled at best and for what - in an effort to keep the christian church and religion alive no doubt.

Fortunately, my three sons aged 11, 10 and nearly 9 years, have also totally rejected christianity of their own accord. I have not sought to influence them in any way whatsoever, because, as I did at their ages, they also study such things as the big bang theory, evolution etc., (and even carry books on these subjects to read in the car on the way to school), and can see the religious teachings for what they are. They dare not say anything at school however - the head teacher is a devout practicing christian methodist, and would not approve of such dissent. My eldest boy is already following a high spiritual path, and follows Astral projection and many other spiritual possibilities.

But what sort of educational system seeks to deny a child the right to their own spiritual path at such a very young and highly impressionable age - a path they will be following throughout this incarnation, and throughout all future incarnations?

Children should always be taught the facts and facts alone, and never be subjected to such religious dogma. They should be encouraged to discover their own truths about who God (i.e. The Divine, The One) as the creator and master of the universe and his heirrarchy really are, and their fundamental cosmic realities in this multi-dimensional, spiritual universe we are priveledged to be an integral part of, and of all other beings of all types on *all* planes and dimensions of existence everywhere and everywhen.

Daniel: I respect your faith and dedication to LDS, notwithstanding the fact I don't know much about your religion. You are clearly very sincere in your beliefs, and LDS does seem somewhat more enlightened and spiritually aware than many religions. I don't know who Joseph Smith was, but clearly he was a great person, and with many characteristics of the great spiritual leaders, and was apparently, like some of them was prepared to die to convey his message. But let me ask you this question - if you have, or will have children - will you teach them that LDS is THE only way and bring them up accordingly, or will you present them with the facts about ALL possible spiritual paths, and let them determine which spiritual path is right for them?

Best regards,

Adrian.

Greetings Darrenbeck!

What sort of topics are you specifically interested in? E.g. Magic, OBE, Metaphysics etc.?

Best regards,

Adrian.

Greetings DOA!

In my opinion, your symptoms could well be a result of energy body development, but a transient phase. Everyone seems to have different energy sensations and characteristics, some unpleasant, some unsual etc.. If you can tolerate it, the best thing to do in my opinion is to work through it with your NEW excercises, but in line with your pain tolerance, and see if it improves as you progress - it probably will.

When I raise energy, I hear a whistling in my head, and the more energy I raise, the higher the pitch and louder the whistle I have come to not notice it unless I do so conciously, but is a good indicator of energy levels raised!

Best regards,

Adrian.

Greetings Daniel!

Well I do endeavour to familiarise myself at very least with as many popular beliefs as possible, because I do not like to formulate opinions from a standpoint of ignorance.

But at the same time, I do not subscribe to, and could never, ever be swayed towards any "packaged belief system" or "religion". The only spiritual truth for me, is my own spiritual truth as discovered, formulated and interpreted by myself, from my own spiritual experiences, and spiritual knowledge acquired on my ever ongoing path.

I don't know much about LDS, but I would admit that you do seem more open minded and receptive to universal realities than many christian organisations. It is still a packaged belief system though is it not? But I totally respect your right to follow that path - the choice is yours and yours alone.

Kind regards,

Adrian.

Greetings!

Yes indeed, although it is correct course of action to call upon the sacred name(s) of "Jesus", this has little to do with "christianity" as a popular religion. The the original Ancient Hebrew name is "Yod, Heh, Shin, Vavh, Heh", the "Shin" being inserted in the sacred "Tetragrammaton" to form the sacred "Pentagrammaton". "Shin" looks like three small flames in Ancient Hebrew, and represents the flame of Divinity, sometimes called "The Holy Spirit", "Ruach Elohim", "Chi", "Ki", "Prana", "Kundalini" and many other such names. Anyone who would seek to be a saviour unto themselves, must be able to unite with the Divinity by way of the "Holy Spirit" or "Ruach Elohim". The Pentagrammaton came to be pronounced "Yeh-hah-shu-ah", which became "Joshua", and then in Greek "Yay-su" and finally arrived in English as "Jesus",(but which is effectively a title, not a person, and which anyone can come to hold), and subsequently, in an almost totally unrecognisable form the basis of the bible and christianity thanks in no small part to King James!

But then of course there was "Christ" who was the great Master (of christianity), just as Buddha and Hermes (Trismegistus) were also great Adepts among several others.

The point I am making is that it would seem that "christianity" is terribly confused, and equally it seems to me that the christian church has no real comprehension of the Ancient Hebrew origins of these cosmic factors. They glibly speak of Jesus Christ, Heaven and Hell, and as has been pointed out, the dogma of the bible, which they compell everyone to believe in, for fear of being sent immediately after death to some dark spiritual plane.

I am not judging christianity.  Christians have an absolute God given right to believe in whatever they like to believe in, and which suits their life, and all I would humbly and sincerely ask in return is that christianity does not judge me.

As for rituals and excorcisms for the fighting of demons, negs etc., calling upon the sacred names of "God" as the "Tetragrammaton" and in the sacred name of "Jesus" i.e. the "Pentagrammaton", is very fine indeed, but again, it is nothing really to do with christianity.

I hope this adds another perspective at least to this debate

Kind regards,

Adrian.

Greetings Inguma and friends!

Interesting story about the Earth Keeper Quartz crystal!

There is a multi-billionaire lady (absolutely loaded - something to do with McDonalds somewhere down the line - or supplies them at least), and who has loads of properties and land here in the Isle of Man.

She is, despite being in her 70's, a devoted New Age love and light type. She spends much of her time by all accounts, locked in her bedrooms channeling Angels, spirits, aliens and other entities (I don't know for sure what, if anything she accomplished). But as money was no object, she imported these absolutely huge quartz crystals from Namibia (I believe it was), and placed them all around her gardens and homes on all of her properties. An amazing lady, not sure what benefits accrued from the quartz crystals, but she certainly had great faith in them for channeling and other positive effects

Quartz is an interesting substance - after all - its vibrations/oscillations keeps quartz watches in good time!

Best regards,

Adrian.

Greetings Daniel!

I am not an expert in these things, but I think I am right in saying that technically, if you black out during a successful OBE attempt, then it actually becomes a Lucid Dream.

I am not sure what the exact differences between a Lucid Dream and an OBE/Astral Projection, but I do know that the former can be converted into the latter. Whether that means you then find yourself in the Astral or the Real Time Zone I could not say for sure.

Apologies for being so vague, it is all a matter of definitions I guess

Best regards,

Adrian.

Greetings Everyone!

That recounting of Robert's adventures in the high Astral was awesome - thanks very much for sharing that with us  I certainly look forward to more of the same!

As for the Fae folk - I saw an absolutely amazing photo last year on the Internet of a Faery, that someone bought to my attention. I can't find it again now though unfortunately. It was a definite and distinct Faery image caught on a digital camera hovering in a passive sort of way, just above a small baby who was being photographed. It was extremely clear, and the fiery aura of the Faery was very pronounced as were her wings. I can't be absolutely sure it was a Faery of course not being that familiar with them, but it is difficult to see what else it could have been - it had the classic Faery appearance in every way.

Digital photography seems to pick up these Astral images whereas conventional film does not.

Best regards,

Adrian.

Greetings all!

Very interesting issues here

In terms of viewing something, somewhere in real-time, then clearly there are many possibilities, RV, OBE, Bi-Loc to name but a few. And then there is this interesting phenomena that we experience at the verge of sleep/projection (or hypnogogic/hypnopombic) of seeign through closed eyelids - there is surely the potential there, given sufficient presence of mind, to project that Astral vision to remote locations.

But Remote Viewing in the accepted sense has a time element - a seeming ability to "view" or more accurately "sense" or "perceive" into the past or future as well.

Now could someone *please* explain to me the coordinate aspect of RV (CRV.

RV'ers I undertand are prsented with two four digit codes as the only basis for their session - anything else would be considered as "front loading". The question is this:

How are these 8 digits derived? They must represent a time and place, but on what basis? Clearly it cannot be a man-made derivation, otherwise it would only be meaningful to the deriver and would not be universally applicable. Given all of the virtually unlimited permutations of time and space, the coordinates I assume must ne universal cosmic coordinates. If this was not the case, they would just be a series of 8 meaningless numbers. Clearly, these 8 digits are absolutely fundamental to RV - where do they come from? All of the info I have read mentions these codes - but not how they are derived.

Also - what is "ERV" (Extended Remote Viewing)?

Thanks again!

Best regards,

Adrian.

Greetings Donni!

I like your theory regarding the flouro lighting triggers and kids in Supermarkets

I am a single dad, with full time care of my three sons aged 11, 10 and nearly 9 years, and our trips to the Supermarket are just like yours! It is amazing just how much of a large Supermarket they can totally re-arrange along with many shoppers, with the aid of a Supermarket trolley A shelf of coca cola explodes wonderfully with a direct hit, and the resultant coke fountain is a wonder to behold

I just place myself into an altered state upon entering the car park, put up a psychic defense against all of the disapproving looks from old people and non-parents, and snap my fingers to bring myself back to my normal state upon arriving back home

Best regards,

Adrian.

Greetings Terri!

Thanks for all of your valuable insight (and outsight) into these issues.

Very interesting, and I would like to learn more. Alas, you would not believe the amount of reading I do anyway both on and off the 'net in pursuit of my objectives. RV is particularly difficult, because there are so many definitions as to what it actually is!

But I think we have acertained have we not, that given a definite target and time and task, RV'ing the future is a definite yes? Regardless of how the answer is divined.

The big question I have for now, and only respond if you have time and a mind to, is "tasking by coordinates". I understand how the tasker provided targets and objectives with coordinates, but how are the coordinates derived, and how are they applied?

Coordinates are a man made parameter surely - like those on a map? The coordinates I have seen as RV targets seem very random - although they must clearly mean something. If the coordinates were "cosmic" coordinates I could understand it better, but how are RV spatial coordinates as allocated by a tasker contrived and provided in order to enable the RV'er to follow the correct timeline and place?

Please don't ask me to read about it - I already have. The derivations of coordinates are never given, just the coordinates themselves without note of how they were derived.

Thanks for your indulgence in these questions.

Best regards to all,

Adrian.

Greetings everyone!

MoveMike: Yes indeed there are many paths to enlightenment  Wise words indeed, and I think the truth is that each and every persons path might be different, albeit subtly so, and being based upon life experiences (past, present and future) and spiritual accomplishments.

Terri: I would like to thank you for your comments in this and the other thread on Remote Viewing. I understand RV much better now, but at the same time it has opened up many more questions and possibilities related to RV directly, and variations on same. I do think that Remote Eye Viewing and Bi-Location have great possibilities, and definitely not as difficult as some people imagine - probably easier than OBE in fact. And then there is a skill that very few talk about, but perhaps has more potential than all of these things - Mental Wandering.

At the final analyis that is why we are here on these forums - to ask these questions of each other, and to share the answers, that we might all become that bit more enlightened  

Best regards to all,

Adrian.

Greeting Terri!

Thanks again for your information. I will be sure to visit those Internet references to find out more - all I want to get to is the truth behind RV.

There is no doubt from what you that the term "Remote Viewing" is a misnomer. It should more correctly be "Remote Perception" or perhaps "Remote Sensing" as it appears to be interpretaive rather than visual.

It also seems to me that "Remote Eye Vision" might be extremely useful as a seperate discipline. If it is possible to acquire the same information as for RV, but from a visual rather than interpretative feedback, that has to be a logical extension. Likewise with bi-location - no one can doubt the feedback obtained from actually being there.

The main question goes to the other threads I guess - whereas RV can be used to sample, sense, percieve etc. time as well as space - does the same apply to Remote Eye Vision, bi-location etc.?

Kind regards,

Adrian.

Greetings Terri!

Thanks very much for this personal insight into your work, I appreciate it

Don't get me wrong, I am no skeptic on RV or anything else metaphysical, Magic etc.., but RV is a very grey area in terms of the information available, claims and counter-claims, descriptions as to the experience etc.. e.g. whether it is visual or intuitive.

I don't doubt the historical accuracy of RV, especially after the accounts of your own experiences, but it still leaves the question of forward, or pre-cognitive RV, based on my scenarios of random number generators etc..

Thanks again

Kind regards,

Adrian.

Greetings Everyone!

Aside from the fact that it is a very interesting subject, I don't profess to know alot about RV as yet.

But many of the comments being made here surprise me. For starters, it seems to me to have an air of "cliqueness" surrounding it, probably from its military origins (from an application point of view), and its current highly scientific approach.

The "this is RV, it works, take it or leave it" syndrome, doesn't cut it IMO, not by a very long way.

For example, OBE works, Magic works, Clairvoyance works, Evocation of Spirits works, TK works, Energy works and so do a great many other metaphysically oriented things. But we don't just ring fence them and take them for granted. Robert and many other people are a non-stop mission to understand expand and improve on all of these areas and more, as well as break ground in new areas, and everyone benefits as a direct result.

I am not sure why RV is treated and perceived as it is, but I am certain that it can be improved upon, probably dramatically, just as Roberts NEW dramatically improved upon all existing Energy and Chakra systems, notwithstanding the ancient and revered origins of those. If Robert took Chakra stimulation by visualisation, and conventional energy raising for granted, he would not have developed NEW which is a great improvement. Same goes for his work on OBE.

There is much more to Remote Viewing than meets the eye - forgive the pun And who is to say that Robert's Remote Eye Perception isn't the same, related or superior even?

At the final analysis, Remote Viewing is the viewing (however you want to define it) of things that have happened, are happening or will happen, from an altered mind-state. Do we know whether real-time vision, as perceived through closed eyelids before an OBE is any different? Just asking the question. Do we know that RV is not much different to bi-location? Could it be a transient "inner projection" before a full OBE? Could it be alternatively be described as "Mental Wandering" - highly likely in my view. The only scientific aspect that needs investigating, in order to translate it into more cohesive and practical terms, is "acquisition of the target". But that could be just focus and will.

I think any or all of the above are very likely, and that scientific RV could be just a complicated way of targetting past/present/future images. One thing is for sure - RV is sufficiently interesting and useful to warrant much, much more investigation and refining.

And finally, as I understand it, Remote Viewing is exactly that - remote vision. The graphic on the http://www.farsight.org home page represents the following:

http://www.farsight.org/graphics/farsightindexmaingraphic2.jpg " border=0>

"The graphic artwork on our home page is designed to approximate the clarity and resolution of relatively optimal mental remote viewing images as they have been described by many advanced remote viewers. Notice that the images are a bit translucent and fuzzy. With remote viewing, image quality can range from good to bad, depending on a variety of factors. Even a single remote viewing session will typically involve a mix of mental images, all with varying qualities."

Terri: How does the above reconcile with your statement in the other thread:

"But keeping in mind there is no actual seeing with RV practice,no grand visual scene unfolds, RV is sensual, involves the senses, seeing like a blind man (feeling/knowing/describing descriptive) there is no labeling, identifying from the viewer, it's just a descriptive process)."

The above image and descriptions from Farsight seem highly visual, seeing to me.


It seems to me that this is very closely related to Mental Wandering or even Bi-Location.

Best regards,

Adrian.

Greetings Terri!

Interesting discussion, and thanks for your input.

I know very little about RV, and hence the questions, but I did see this program on TV, which was very scientifically approached, and with alot of film archives of actual RV operations, and their results, and all sorts of objective stuff.

As an aside, a VERY graphical demonstration on film, was an RV'er sitting in an office thousands of miles away in a different country, guiding a bomb disposal person through a very heavy concentration land mine field!

It was an amazing act of faith on the part of the person walking through the long land mine field from one side to the other, among hundreds of deadly land mines, to mark the path for everyone else to follow afterwards. He literally walked off into the field, while the RV'er, thousands of miles away, guided him by telling him to walk left, right, forward, stop etc.. The person did in fact successfully walk across the entire mine field safely!

But there were many spying examples. One RV'er "entered" a highly secure, fortified building in Russia, to see what was going on. He described arc welders, and a ship with a flat top and lots of people. It turned out, much later, to be the construction of the first in a new range of nuclear submarines.

That is why I don't understand the "not visual" comment. On this program, the RV'ers accurately "decribed" scenes and events, and wrote them down on paper symbolically as well as by means of sketches.

As for not "frontloading" the session  - I am baffled by this. I can understand, from a completely scientific perspective, why this might not be desirable, where the concept of RV itself was in question, but not from the point of view of using RV for practical purposes which is what we are talking about here. Not random or hypothetical situations.

What I am asking seems very definitive. Can an RV'er be given the details, coordinates, call it what you will, of a very specific item, at a very specific place and time, no more than 24 hours ahead, and say what has happened to that item 24 hours later? It would be extremely easy to verify it under controlled conditions. All it would require is a device, e.g. a random number generator, that is located in a sealed room. The RV'er views the value of the number generated 24 hours hence, after which, the randon number generator, exactly at the appointed time, exactly 24 hours after the RV'er views the number, randomly generates the number. If the numbers match, then the RV'er has been verified.

That is a very simplistic model. It is frontloaded to the extent that the location is known, the random number generator is known and the time is known. But the RV'er still has to view that number 24 hours in advance of it being generated. That, to me, if repeatable, is significant.

On a general level - this is the main problem as I see it with modern RV research as per Farsight.org and others. It appears to be an almost completely scientific, academic excercise, without any practical or spiritual objectives that I can determine. Also, RV'ing back in time is certainly not conclusive either. Who can say that what people saw when the Pyramids or Stonehenge were being constructed for example, is really accurate or not? The historical record is not that accurate, so it can neither be confirmed or denied.

RV'ing into the future is different though. Because 24 hours hence, the RV'er would either be proved to be 100% right or 100% wrong.

I hope that clarifies where I am coming from

Best regards,

Adrian.

Greetings Terri!

Thanks very much for the response regarding future RV!

I am not sure that verifiability is too much of an issue is it? After all, if an RV'er sees a specific future happening, in accordance and connected with a pre-defined target, and the happening subsequently comes to pass as previously viewed, then is is surely verifiable? Especially so if this is reproducable.

I am not talking about large scale global situations, over very long time spans or future projections for the planet or universe, but rather a very specific focus, on a very specific, symbollically identifiable factor, say a maximum of 24 hours into the future.

After all, isn't scientific RV just that for the most part? Being provided with symbolism, coordinates etc., and viewing the associations?

This would be simpler, the target and focus is known, the only factor to be viewed is the status of that definitive target 24 hours hence.

I would be most interested to hear your further views on that one

Best regards,

Adrian.

Greetings ZugZug:

Here is a direct copy and paste from Robert's Treatise on OBE which can be found on the main website:

"When you leave your body for the final time, at death, this is what I believe will happen:

You will be projecting, in real time, for the first few days, close to the physical world, until your supply of etheric matter runs out. Then you will go through the second death and enter the Astral dimension. There, you will purge yourself of all desire, by being able to have anything you have ever wanted, in abundance. This is done through having the full use of your subconscious mind's powerful creative ability. Here you can saturate your every need and desire, until you see these desires for the illusions they really are.

You will then shed your Astral (desire body) and enter the Mental dimension. There you will see your past life, examine and express every thought you have ever had and every action you have ever done. There, your thoughts, memories and experiences will be added to the Akashic Record. Which is the recorded experience of the entire human existence in the physical dimension.

Shedding your mental body you will then enter the Buddhic dimension. There you will stay for timeless healing, for rest, atonement, forgiveness and understanding of self. In this world your inner wounds will heal and your soul will be nurtured by divine love. Your spirit will become whole and perfect once more.

Then you will shed your Buddhic body and enter the Atmic dimension. There you will wait in the divine presence for those you love. Then, one day, you will go on to the next level of existence; where the last great mystery of life will be revealed to you...."

Best regards,

Adrian.