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Here's a link to some retrievals.

http://www.astralpulse.com/forums/welcome_to_astral_projection_experiences/souly_for_retrievals-t37273.0.html

Welcome.

I have never heard of your disorder but it does sound like it would be very difficult to cope with.

My first intro to all this was also spontaneously and it both scared the crap out of me and made me completely change the way I view reality.

Please listen to Tom C. and what he says about conquering fear. I wish that his work would have been available to me in the beginning.

Stick around and I'm sure we can learn much from you as well.

You did really good. Just gaining your awareness and not instantly losing it due to excitement is an important step. There is nothing instant about 10-15 seconds so be happy about that.

Like Szaxx said, we aren't used to walking through walls everyday so that takes some time. I can never see through walls and when I pass through them, I always lose my vision because I expect it to be dark inside of a wall. This is just because of my expectations as many people choose to just make the wall go away.

I do believe there is something far more incredible occurring than the simplest explanation that we are just controlling our dreams but if that's all that is happening, I'm fine with that as well. 

It seems I do not have what it takes to even become lucid...I have only reached lucidity about 2 times and have only traveled in my spiritual form once...my once and only astral travel was amazing, yet it seems no matter what I read or try I just cannot get it right.

I really want to travel in astral projection for numerous reasons. I wish to meet the alien I had meet when I first was traveling and to explore but unfortunately it seems it is harder then I have perceived it to be....any help would be amazing

I see nothing here that would make me think that you won't achieve your goal. Be grateful for the lucid moments that you do recall and use them as motivation.

Ultimately, you are wanting to have experiences that will most likely make you question your idea of reality. In the meantime, just make sure you understand what that really means. It can have life long implications.

I have to admit that you come up with some very interesting thread titles (and topics) that don't lie.

For instance, a thread titled "Fell off a cliff and had a good day" doesn't have much chance of delivering on both subjects but coming from you, I know it would. 

Welcome to the Pulse. I am a spiritual capitalist so this should be fun. My personal belief in regards to AP and OOBE is that it is more about expanding and experiencing different states of consciousness and not about actually leaving our bodies.

Please feel free to post your ideas about anything and always be respectful about the ideas and beliefs of others.

With such vague and the most minimal of details, I can only suggest buying a flashlight and some extra batteries.

Why do you feel this way.

Anyone who says that all OBE can be explained by a seizure in the brain is suffering from some other sort of disability.

 I do not understand what you are asking. Could you please restate the question?

I do agree that we always have a choice as to how we allow something to affect us but it is very hard to stop our initial responses from rising up within.

It can take many exposures to an event to become capable of stopping our automatic responses from kicking in and that isn't always a good thing unless your job demands it of you (police officer, fireman, soldier, etc.).

In regards to the astral, dealing with our emotions is one of the greatest benefits we can get out of it. This too, takes repeated exposure and it is always a good thing because the benefits are tangible and carry over into our waking lives.

People who deal with terrible nightmares or even night terror, may beg to differ but the key difference is that they aren't operating with their awareness and thus have no control or rational reasoning abilities.

I often read where some people are afraid to encounter their worst fears in the astral and I can't help but feel sorry for them. They just have no idea how much it will benefit them to do so.

So to answer your initial question, repeated exposure by direct confrontation will teach you how to handle your response to the emotions that you feel. I don't think the answer is to stop feeling emotions.

Congrats!

I'm really glad to hear this.

You're not doing anything wrong. It takes time getting accustomed to your "new" reality. If you're like most people in the beginning, you will still be feeling excitement, fear, and doubt even if just a little.

Any one of those three can end a projection but not necessarily.

To be honest, I'm a fan of the short projections in the beginning. It allows the person to both know that there is something really happening and it helps them to recall the little things that they did differently that allowed the success to occur.

Be happy right now.

A short while back, this too was happening to me. I was unable to make conscious exits and I did start to get concerned. I decided to stop consciously trying and waited to see If I would gain my awareness while dreaming. I did and this let me know that I could still project and the next time I tried, I had no problem.

I had to change my thinking because each "failure" was reinforcing the wrong attitude.

It may also help if you don't view it as a literal exit. This means you don't think of it as leaving your body so you have nothing to get stuck in.

You asked if this was all rubbish and I would have to say no. The power of suggestion is very real and well documented. People are willing to die and kill to uphold their belief structures so it is all important to us whether we like it or not.

If this demon was really waiting to snatch your soul while you were astral projecting, wouldn't it be better off convincing you that it wasn't real instead of scaring off your friends. Surely something that powerful could have another way of turning women against you and wouldn't always have to resort to fear tactics, something we humans are very good at by the way.

Whitewisps,

I'm sure you have heard the following expression or something similar to it.

We extinguish that which we hold onto for dear life.

It's obvious that this is important to you but 3 hours is a looooong time for one session. If you force someone to give you something, it is not a gift.

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I do not know any mediums personally and I have never sought one out but I do want to say one small thing.

Much of what this medium said probably does apply to most people. We are all human and are living in one world so this should not be a surprise. We all need to be reminded of certain universal "details" from time to time.

You say that you also received three details that were very personal to you. So another way to look at this is that this medium was right about everything.

The personal details might have been given to you so that they could verify the universal "details" and not the other way around.

Of course there are frauds as well.

You sought out the experience and now you have to reconcile it with what you believe is possible and no one else.

He is very colorful and entertaining, I'll give him that much.

If he really believes that he is saying the truth and he only wants to help the people that listen to him wise up to what he knows to be true, more power to him.

But if there really is a technology that can capture my soul/spirit/what-have-you, and I can't do anything about it, then I can't do anything about it. It can never be said that someone stressed out to little in life so I'm not looking for anymore.

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What is is with these NP tornadoes today, I almost don't want to sleep now.

In case you don't know phase, NP tornadoes are the only thing that I have encountered that I can't face down. There is some kind of carnal fear that rises in me and makes me lose my awareness and I react only out of fear.

I can be trying to sleep in a fearsome thunderstorm in the physical and I might be dreading a NP tornado and giving no thought to the physical one headed straight for me.

That was great how you realized you had prejudged the souls in the motel and then knew you had to save them. And thanks to the 're-loop' effect, you got your chance.

But me and tornadoes...we don't mix, there's no love lost. Sadly, I have never had the courage to really face one down in the NP with my full awareness. When I recognize that there is a tornado in the scenario, I either lose my awareness or do not gain it because fear sets in too deeply and I instinctively have to leave. It's not that I don't want to face one down (I use affirmations to build my confidence with them), I just can't. Ironically, I do not give them a single thought of fear in waking life.

Thanks for sharing these Lion, more comments to come.

firearms are principally a check to government totalitarianism. 
Without cohesiveness and organization, I don't see how this could be so. At best, you'd have isolated pockets of resistance that might amount to small guerrilla actions. Do you think there is any group large enough, organized and well armed that could could be a plausible threat at the state level?
Guns aren't banned in Canada and yet, culturally, we don't see guns as a mechanism of "freedom" or the instrument of a shaky detente between the government and citizenry. The Swiss citizenry have a lot of guns as do the Israelis, but for different reasons than you American folks. In those other instances, guns are actually in the service OF the government in the form of citizen participation in the armies.
Stillwater. You, no doubt, are versed in your nations' history. From the time your country became free of the British, there have been small scale tyrannies. Denying pay to revolutionary soldiers and putting down the insurrection. Labor riots. WW1 vets marching on Washington, put down by Ike and Patton no less. All these and more have not inspired the collective ire to rise up en mass and affect systemic change. And all the guns in all the citizens hands won't change it. Because y'all won't agree. One mans totalitarianism is anothers perfect market conditions... or something.

Most Americans don't view it as a shaky instrument but rather quite the opposite, a concrete foundation and the issue is only brought up from time to time as a healthy reminder.

But you are very wrong. Every one of the events you listed brought about systematic change the way it was intended, through democracy. We were never meant to settle every injustice from the government with a gun.

While I too agree that it is one world, I do enjoy the nifty illusion in place that keeps me from swerving off the road to avoid non physical beings that wouldn't be hurt if I smashed them with a tank but could easily ruin my day.

I never hear music. That sucks.

I have heard long stories that were said in a beautiful prose as if every word had honey dripping off of it. All I could do was listen in amazement.

But alas, no music.

Perhaps it's conscious effort time.

There is a bit of a cultural divide between the US and the UK on this issue for obvious reasons. I tend to agree with the US side of the issue; firearms are principally a check to government totalitarianism- the reasoning being that if the population has the means of resistance, then there is only so much injustice that they can be subjected to before a reaction is caused; disarming a population renders them the captives of their government. the Federalist Papers, which are a collection of writings prior to the writing of the US constitution make explicitly clear that such was the true and intended purpose of the US second constitutional amendment that so many people like to quote.

That is more or less my reason for supporting their proliferation here; I don't particularly like gun culture or glamorization of weapons, but I view them as socially necessary.

Many state circuit courts and a few federal courts have already ruled that it is not enough to just dissect the exact language of the constitution in order to derive it's exact meaning. Language changes over time but the intent does not.

Therefore they have ruled that since there are many documents such as the federalists papers and personal correspondence between the Founding Fathers that clearly state their intent and purpose behind the sec amnd, these documents must be referred to.

I grew up in the gun culture and until very recently, I was very involved in it. I have an uncle who tattooed the sec. amnd. on his forearm.

Today, guns play no part in my life whatsoever. I just don't need them.

I can honestly say that I am not willing to kill someone just because they are trying to kill me. However, in the defense of an innocent (at least to my knowledge at the time), I am capable of doing unmentionable things to stop it.

Just because you saw something incredible or "unbelievable" while under the influence of a drug doesn't automatically make it a figment of your imagination. However, in today's culture and modern society it will automatically discredit your account of what really happened.

Marijuana and other hallucinogens have been an important part of many cultures and are used to experience the wider reality and to speak with the "spirits" so I have a lot of respect for their cultural beliefs. But they don't use them for recreation and are often only used in ceremonies that are sacred to them.

Personally, I discount a drug induced AP/OOBE (even though they may be just as genuine as a sober experience) but it is only my personal standard and I do not promote drug use as a means to experience the wider reality.

Another thing to consider is that we are hardwired to recognize human faces and their expressions. Understanding facial expressions can be the difference between life and death so we often see facial patterns in inanimate objects.

Again, I am not not claiming that you aren't having genuine experiences. I just wouldn't personally accept them if I were to have one under the influence of any drug.