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Hey guys- (if you haven't seen the episode you probably wont know what I am talking about)

 I am not a big fan of TV, but last night I happened to catch Trading spouses where one mom was a Vegan and the other lived in the bayou on an alligator farm.  I thought this was a perfect demonstration of judgment and pushing ones values down an others throat in a very aggressive fashion.  I just could not believe the utter hypocrisy and feeling of superiority on the super liberal Vegans part.  

The vegan mom, and family, made me feel nauseous with the contempt they had for others way of life.  I laughed at the Vegan mom when she tried alligator meat, and beat the other families dog!   These type of people scare me, especially when they run for office.

I took one look at her husband and KNEW he wasn't happy, but he is probably too much of a wuss to do anything about it.  Their son had his first taste of hypocrisy when he said "I felt really bad that my mom ate meat, because she has never let me eat it before".  She wouldn't even give her husband any money.  I loved his quote "What is mine is hers, and what is hers is hers"

I know I am probably not going to get much support on these forums, but I HATE hypocrisy (probably why I hate politicians)

WHERE CAN I DOWNLOAD THIS EPISODE!

OMG! I just found a forum today where the Vegan Villian is speaking out, and people are giving her an ear full  http://www.centertao.org/viewtopic.php?t=172&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=0

*edit*  never mind, there are over 32000 replies at trading spouses forums.

Han

Jim-

 I think you are giving too much of your personal power to the CDs to "get you somewhere", and you also may not be getting the full benefit out of the system.  The Cds will probably never get you were you want to go, they are only a road map.  Pay special attention to Franks comments on the "run down"

See this post on how to use the cds more effectively

http://www.astralpulse.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=15371

also see this one

http://www.astralpulse.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=13644

Kevin-

Nice post.  A bunch of "real" quantum physicist are saying that this movie is full of Cr*p. CA$Hing in on New Agers seems to be in vogue these days.

I hate when people take agenda oriented "documentaries" like Micheal Moore, Alex Jones, etc as Gospel.  

however, there are always little pearls of wisdom underneath all the dung.  So, I would never tell someone not to see something, just have an open mind enough to look at the opposing evidence.  


Han

Ps. I do believe that our thoughts can create our reality.

I would make this a trigger to alert me that I am dreaming.  When this happens next time say "I am dreaming" and then your dreamy state will fall away and you will become lucid.

Lucid dreams are contained in Focus 2 of Franks model of consciousness.  I would also read about exiting lucid dreams and trying to enter focus 3.

Han

PS.  Sorry, I am not a dream interpreter.

Kaz-

 I will take the liberty of answering these questions based on my understanding of Frank's previous post.  I am doing this so Frank doesn't have to write 10 novels all at once and can finish Astral Projection Truth   However, I don't have the experience Frank has and can probably not totally wrap my head around these concepts to the level of his understanding.

So, when i spoke about the childs that could remember their past live stheir were just remembering other levels of focus tha they had

Your mistake here was when you said "other levels of focus THEY HAD".   These of focuses are focuses of our "primary essence", but distinct from us.  As Frank said "We are we, and they are they".  The reason people latch on to the other focuses during "past life regression" is because these other lives are separate focuses of our "primary essence"(i think Monroe called it our Oversoul).  You see, there is NO time in Focus 2-4 and so our liner view of time and concept of "PAST lives" falls apart in these higher focuses. Frank states that here:

"Again, within subjective reality there is NO time. There is no such thing as past and future. All is present. This aspect of subjective reality is one of the most misunderstood aspects and causes a LOT of confusion"

So, from the above what I gather is our primary essence, Focus 4, has MANY SIMULTANEOUS focuses going on AT THE SAME TIME.  Time only has bearing to us in the physical, but our primary essence is truly timeless.  Reincarnation imposes the limitation on time on something that is timeless, and therefore breaks down with subsequent knowledge of the wider reality (basically an inaccurate belief construct).

When we reach nirvana ego ceases to exist. What happens to focus when you reach nirvana (something about i can only theorize)? Do you stop being a focus or still being one, just observing and living the world in a different way

 Again this may be semantics but when you use the word "Nirvana" you are imposing Buddhist notions on Franks model of the wider reality.  The two models are mutually exclusive.  However, I too would like to know if one lives out the rest of their days in Focus 3, or do they move on to something else?  Do we keep our ego in focus 3?  Because, mine rather likes itself

It seems that your focus levels are different from Monroe levels. I searched on the faqs about that and i found nothing about the levels that you ise...only the typicals levels that goes about level 30 (level 1, level 2..that sounds like dungeons and dragons game or RPG Pc games to me, lol). Where can i get info about the levels you speak? And information about how to reach such states

KAZ?!!!-

 Don't tell me you haven't read the permanent astral topics!  You have over 1000 post under your belt!  Ahh, just giving you a hard time (that you deserve)

Best I could do at work,
Han

I put dangerous in quotes because I don't think it can be dangerous, but that seems to be the prevailing wisdom (which I think is garbage).

Wow! That must have been really frightening for you, I was empathizing with your gf, I bet she wished you didn't smoke so much grass and mess about with deep breathing.

Frightening?  I thought it was some killer weed!  No, it felt awesome.  Who said anything about deep breathing?

Han

like the kind of movies coming out

Yea, I just saw Batman and it was AWESOME!  Doesn't get any better than Patrick Bateman playing Batman.

Han

First off, congratulations!  This is very similar to my first experience and how I found the Astral Pulse forums.  I have read Astral Dynamics and have to be honest, it didn't help me that much.  I know that a lot of people liked this book, but then again most people here are starting to resonate more with Franks method of Phasing.  

Over the past few weeks Ive noticed an increase in the length of time Ive spent in the hypnogogic state. Ive always payed attention when I drift through this level of consiousness on the way to sleep - I find Ill have a lucid dream more often if I can 'maintain' some level of consious control through this state. Recently, Ive been 'snapping' myself awake from the hypnogogic state - usually when a movement I make in one of these 'brain' movies ends up translating to my physical body. Recently, its become more of a direct translation...for instance a few weeks ago I was envisioning myself at the gym, I went to do an exercise and my physical arms actually moved with my arms in this dream-state - snapping myself awake.

From your experience with altered states of consciousness I would say that you would progress quickly with Frank's, a moderator here, phasing approach to Astral projection.  To understand this technique read everything in the Permanent Astral topics, Astral FAQ's, and read as many on Frank's post as you can.  This approach has sort of its own language that takes a few days to comprehend.  Although, his book is coming out soon, so that will make it easier.  As you can see, I am partial to this method because of the increadible results and hope it has given me.

Then I started moving upward toward the ceiling...I felt an exhilaration unlike any other. This was FOR REAL. As the ceiling approached I kept thinking "go through! go through!' Trying to direct this new experience as best as I could. I stopped at the ceiling, and I heard footsteps from the hallway outside my bedroom. Then i got nervous. I listened again, and again I heard these footsteps. I looked down toward the doorway and I couldn't see anything, but then realized that my physical body and my girlfriend were back in the bed, and I didn't think it would be a good idea to leave them if I felt uncomfortable. With this thought, I quickly fell back to the bed, awash in intense tingling energy. I couldn't move, so I yelled in my mind "WAKE UP WAKE UP WAKE UP" And just like that, I was jolted back to reality - wide awake an hyper-aware. I sat up and looked toward the open doorway, and they're we rent any footsteps. What I was hearing must have been something to do with the state I was in. I lay back down and tried to induce this experience a second time, but it felt like my mind was out of 'fuel' for such a thing, so I rolled over and went to bed.

 This is dubbed the "real time zone" and is in Focus 1, of 4, in Franks model of phasing.  Kind of a boring place to be honest, but getting here is a BIG step.

BTW, don't let anyone tell you there is any danger to Astral Projection, because there is not.  There are no such things as negs (they are thought manifestations of Focus 2).  You'll understand soon.

Welcome to the club,
Han

Kaz-

 I don't think this is what he means because you are still thinking in linear terms.  

HAn

WHATEVER Frank , Shirley Maclaine WAS Cleopatra.  I saw it in her documentary "Out On A Limb".

Han

I would agree that phasing is superior to image streaming in it's complete submersion in the F2 thru F4 environments, but it appears to be more demanding in terms of when most of us can successfully engage that exercise, and it takes longer. In contrast, I can successfully have a 5 – 10 minute image streaming session, pretty much at the drop of a hat.

Very true.  Good point.

It is all in your mind!  Your thoughts create them in focus 2.  I thought the same as you guys at first until I read Franks posts.  Now, I understand how silly I was being, and choose not to create them or even think about them.  Instead I attempt to phase into Focus 3.

Han

Read Everything by Frank.  Read all the permanent topics regarding Franks Phasing approach.  Also, read the Astral FAQ's section.

Han

First, get a F*cking grip.  Read this topic http://www.astralpulse.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=11059 and pay special attention to a cool guy by the name of Hans Solo.  You need help my friend.  You scream wuss in the women department.  This book will help you soooo much www.doubleyourdating.com !!!!

The best thing you can do is GFTOW.  Once you understand what this acronym means you will no longer have these feelings and you will be on the path, and a part of the "community".

Use the force, feel the flow,

Han Solo

When i was young I use to kinda fear growing up ~ wish it didn't have to happen

If you believe strong enough it is possible to never grow up.  For instance, I know a boy/man that doesn't look older than 13 years old.  His name is Peter and he lives in a magical place called NeverLand Ranch.  Too bad Capt. Micheal  "Jacko" Hook is back again.

Han

Total Mystical crud.  Mystics love to make up all sorts of stupid little rules.  Don't pay attention to them or you will only be left able to project from an incline of 33 degrees, while facing magnetic north, surrounded by blessed white sage that only grows on the southern slopes of the Andes mountains.  Oh yea, and you will NEVER be able to project if you haven't given your guru dejour $3000 over the past year.

Obviously I am being flippant, but you get the point.  Try not to make too many rules, they become self fulfilling prophecies.

Han

Recently, when I have been trying to do a rundown and then switch back to looking at the back of my eyelids, I will see some textures that look like fingerprints as the backdrop to the blackness. Is this the same thing? If so, what should I do to bring on the 3D Blackness

This is the exact texture I get before FZ.  Kind of a translucent, silvery, swirly, fingerprint pattern.  Although, when I get there FZ could still be 20 minutes away due to the fact I am not that good at keeping my physical eyes from "latching on".  Most times I never even get to FZ after I see the patterns, but that is changing.  My biggest problem with FZ, besides getting there, is "stepping in" to the starry night so I can float around and concentrate on  winning the lottery.

han

By the way, is there anywhere on this forum where I can read about different techniques into having an OBE? I have tried getting to the vibrational state, but it felt more like rocking, almost dizzy. I want to read about any other ways in which to do it, I'm really interested.

Uhh..... you ARE kidding right?  Check out the faq's section, permanent topics section, and look for sticky post at the top of each area in the forum.  Read everything by Frank and other moderators.  That will keep you busy for the next 3 months.  

Han

I like them, but they do seem to be a little depressive IMO.  I did hear a techno remix of God put a smile.. that was sooo awesome, but it doesn't seem to be the one on the file sharing systems.  (oh, and you can't buy it in stores either)

I liked the Killers before the radio stations overplayed them.  Anyone ever heard of Interpol?  Still kinda downers but cool none the less.

Han

This topic is just ridiculous.  I have nothing further to say about this nonsense.

Han

Thanks Han, that helped a bit. I'll go read the FAQ's right now. But I'm afraid sometime's too, the last time I left my body, I appeared to be in an area that looked like hell, I felt dizzy, hard to breath, and I lost concentration, and the air was burning, not saying that it might've been hell, thats when I woke up, I was back in my body. Yeah, and since then, I did'nt leave my body for awhile. Then the day's became a year, and once i tried re-leaving my body, I was stomped. I felt as though there was a tough bubble surrounding my body, unabbleing me to leave, and then I would return to my body... So I just thought I'd speak of my situation.

Once, you understand that you were in a Focus 2 environment everything will make sense.  In Focus 2 you will realize that thoughts=reality, so if you are scared that you will see a "devil" then you will see this "devil". Your mind can literally create any scenario it wants to in this environment.  This is why Sapphire is always being called a god, because his ego is "manifesting before his eyes". I was scared too for a while because a similar experience as your, and this really stunted my progress.  However, reading Frank's post will REALLY be beneficial to your progress.  He lays the "reality" of Foucus 2 out so it is very understandable, and pretty soon you will laugh at all the previous beliefs of Negs and the such in this environment.

For instance, a while back I phased into the RTZ and walked through walls and stuff, and said "I now move inward" (Bulhman style), and indeed I felt movement.  When I felt this movement I thought "I hope my subconscious doesn't think I meant inward into the Earth".  Very quickly I though "I wonder if there are caverns below me".  Sure enough I Phased into a Focus 2 "cavern" environment with a lava river covering most of the floor.  Then, I saw reptilian creatures in the cavern.  I tried to remain cool and unemotional about the whole thing and Phase into Focus 3.  However, one of the Reptilian creatures saw me and was going to attack!  I was amused at this and decided to try something.  So, instead of a light saber I pulled out and empty 5 gallon water tank and started belting him with this thing!  He eventually fell into the lava and died.  Then his lava splash came up and crashed over me.  

I woke up and thought how funny this episode was, because just the other day I was listening to a radio program at work.  On this program some nut was talking about reptilian aliens living in the earth and stealing human babies to make as slaves!  So, I can see how my mind put this whole scenario together. Rather silly huh? Believe me, I will phase in to a nicer focus 2 environment next time so I can Phase to Focus 3 with out any annoying distractions.


Han solo

OK, now, I dont really remember, but this one time, I kinda remember leaving my body, and roaming around this unknown place about 5 years ago (I was 9). Since that one time, I was capable of leaving my body on own free will. But recently, I have'nt been able to do so, as if I'm not able to anymore.. Might you know whats wrong

Nothings wrong, you just need to practice.  Read all the post in the FAQ's section and Permanent Astral topics, then read posts by Frank, and other moderators.  They will really help you with this SKILL.  I want to make sure you realize that it is a skill and not an ability doled out to a few "gods" like Sapphire would want you to think.  I have also projected "naturally" before, but what circumstances caused this is up for debate. Stick around and learn the techniques that will develop this skill.

Notice how Sapphire hasn't given any information on "Projecting with ease", just the same old "I am a high rank god" type stuff.  I suspect he would say something along the lines of "I am a high rank god, so therefore I can project with ease". Nice.

Sapphire, once you learn more about the liquid (thoughts=reality) characteristic of focus 2 I believe you will come to understand the misinterpretations of your experiences.  At face value, it looks as if you indeed have an ability to project, so I would recommend you read some of Frank's post on how to phase into Focus 3 from Focus 2.  It is there you will find your answers. Sorry for comming down on you so hard, but I felt your theories (so called facts) concerning Negs trying to trap people were detrimental to the development of many of the newer members here.  

Best of luck,

Han

http://www.astralpulse.com/forums/viewforum.php?f=46

Han

hello-

 To get started read the FAQ's, Permanent Astral Topics, and everything by Frank, Major Tom, Gandolf, and other moderators.  They will help you immensely.  Oh, and Frank has a book coming out, so be on the look out.

Han Solo

you youngsters will be professional astral projectors by the time your my age,25, if you keep it up.  Man, to be that young again.....well, actually that would suck ( I like the bars and girls too much).  J/K.  Keep it up, there is NOTHING to be scared of in the "Astral".

Han