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lol, you think to much.

you wouldn't prject into a tv.  but you can project into the reality of the tv show.

though i imagine it would be a creation of your imagination.

i suppose it could be an astral environment that exists independently of you.

no.

try it instead of asking about it.

i know right.

it's like the matrix meets the terminator.

ahh regolith.

have you ever seen the pictures of the robot head or whatever on the moon mushroom man?



see it?  lol.

i think it's hilarious that the person who posted this image on their website named it "DatasHead.jpg"

lol.

well considering that was only 4 short years ago.......

actually yea i think so.  i'm honest now.  i'm sober now.  i care about people now.

i think i was always a very compassionate and just plain nice person.

but when i started getting high i didn't care anymore about others.  i just cared about getting my fix.  you know.

ryan did you make this sticky?

I've discovered that the key word in all of this is dissociation.  If you are still aware of your body at all then you've not gone far enough.

It sounds like you're having the same problem I had in the beginning.  I was keeping my mind too active because I didn't wanna miss that moment of shifting awareness.  When I learned to become actively passive, it was all downhill.

ryan you're right.

lucid dreaming can't be christian, but a lucid dreamer can be a christian.

the question is ludicrous though.

lol.

I've been waiting all day for you to respond.

I'm not arguing that those "afflicted" don't suffer.  Also, I don't like the word disease, but that's besides the point.

But I believe you are missing my point.  You actually illustrated my point perfectly.  The stigma associated does nothing but exacerbate the dissonance in the person's mind.  I am proposing that if the paradigm of psychology/psychiatry were more open to the possibilities of the non-physical and those who can see it without having to go to the measures people like you and i do, then a person diagnosed with schizophrenia would have a very different life from the one you have laid out.  For you and I, this thing we call astral projection can certainly be disorienting if we haven't developed some semblance of control.

First, if these people weren't treated as hopeless wastes of flesh and blood I do believe their "condition" wouldn't become as extreme as the scenario you put forth.  In the mind of a person who sees between worlds, people condemning them to institutionalization or simply not accepting them will certainly make the little bit of identity they have left fracture and fade away.  The one thing a person like this needs is to feel safe, secure and accepted in spite of everything.  You might say, "Well their families feel that way" and they truly may, but in the eyes of the "afflicted", they day their family takes them to a psychiatric hospital is they day they lose faith in the possibility of existing as themselves.  Again, my point is illustrated.  The family doesn't know what else to do and so they stress, they worry and in the end they don't know what else to do and so they feel that giving their loved one to the medical community is all they can do.  Perhaps if the family's perception weren't so poisoned by what we call "modern society in the free world" they could see their loved one for what they are, a miracle of human evolution.  Just imagine what effect that simple difference in the way they are treated could have on the psyche of the "schizophrenic".

Second, think about what we have to do to explore these non-physical realities.  How many times a day does someone post on this forum, scared as hell because they are hearing voices and having visions (auditory and visual hypnogogic hallucinations) upon drifting to sleep or waking up?  How many people come here, confused and scared, because their perception of reality includes "superstitions" that are creating horrible monsters in their astral journeys?  It takes mental discipline and practice to control one's focus and apply the skills we've learned in these non-physical realms.  Why is a "schizophrenic" any different?  They are thrown into a world that scares the crap out of the rest of us until we've acclimated to it, but they aren't given a chance to learn control and focus.

Now, allow me to make this clear.  I'm not arguing at all the scenario you've laid out.  I'm not arguing that in the "real world" we live in now the scenario that i have laid out doesn't seem to exist.  I'm not condemning any kind of treatment you've ever participated in.  My argument stems from my utter disgust with the modern medical system.  I'm not talking about the financial side of it.  Of course that is a problem, treatment is dictated by money these days and there isn't much money in more 'holistic' treatments.  My problem is that the current medical system is flawed because it operates from a purely materialistic (as in only acknowledging the physical and empirically testable side of reality) perspective.  Half, if not more, of a person's being is neglected in modern medical treatment.  And scientists struggle over this daily.  What is mind?  Even if it is a happy coincidence spawned from all the neural activity in the brain, it's still a ghost in the machine that they can't explain and they still refuse to consider the possibility.  It's the few rogue scientists like Monroe or this Bentov character who are considering the possibility that there is more to the human psyche than just neural firing and emotional programming.  While I do feel passionately about the issue of schizophrenia, the topic only serves to illustrate my global argument which is modern medicine of the mind (psychology/psychiatry, and for the record i whole-heartedly disagree with psychiatry, i don't think pharmaceuticals are ever the answer when dealing with the mind, they do nothing but mask the cause) is sorely lacking when it comes to the bigger picture that is the human psyche.

I feel passionately about this because I almost feel mislead and let down.  I began to pursue a "career" in what modern medicine laughably calls psychology because I felt that the truth in reality existed in the mystery we call mind.  Much to my surprise, modern psychology doesn't seem to give a excrement about the nature of the human psyche as much as they care about just making sure people are functional relative to what the rest of society deems normal.  Well, you know as well as I do that normal is non-existent.  What does exist is an infinite spectrum of uniqueness and divinity that can only be truly experience on an individual basis.  So doesn't it seem more beneficial to teach everyone how to learn from and navigate their own reality rather than drug them enough to stifle the soul and make them seem just like everyone else?  This field of scientific research (if you can even call it that) is turning us all into robots and I won't volunteer my brilliance and creativity to that end.  (and i'm not being cocky in describing myself in that way, we are all brilliant and infinitely creative) 

I was never a disturbed teen.

I was a little piece of excrement though.

I was agreeing with you.  I think he was hot for the borg chick.

Alpha state is a light to medium trance/meditative state.  Alpha is ideal for many of the less focused non-physical excursions like shamanic journeying, where you haven't shifted completely enough to experience the non-physical as your primary focus (ie F2 or F3).  You can use low alpha to get to F2 or F3 with proper experience.  But for most people you need at least high theta to get to F2 or F3.

you people watch to many sci-fi shows.

my point podini is that it could have easily been energy flowing through one of these points that caused the sensation.  like one of the optic nerve ones or even the pituitary gland.  you may have some pituitary action happening if this whole process has been emotionally intense. 

how long have you been paralyzed?  how did it happen?  (if you don't mind me asking of course)

but then that wouldn't mean the end of the world as we know it!!!!

i mean, come on, 2012 has to be fun for something.

lol

by the way, this is what a mayan shaman told me.  don't blame me.

did you see first contact?

the grim reaper is just a representation of death, so anything else the represents death can be associated with the grim reaper.

you guys are a bunch of lame girls.



boo hoo

BAH at you xanth.

alpha is too high.

the mind is tooooooo active.

once again you rapier wit has sliced through my feeble comprehension ability with the speed and accuracy of an arrow. 

please sir, no more.  i do not know if my puny brain can withstand another of your clever tongue lashings.

(though you don't type with your tongue, your typed words originate from verbal language meant for the tongue.)

you must not be familiar with energy center work.

it's not exclusive to the trance state or OBE work.  

energy center work is an independent practice that just happens to help facilitate OBE.

but nearly anything can activate an energy center and you have a lot more than just the seven primary centers.



This is a diagram of nadi in the head.  Nāḍi are the channels through which, in traditional Indian medicine and spiritual science, the energies of the subtle body are said to flow. They connect at special points of intensity called chakras.

These are constantly flowing, but especially during times of personal growth and development (which is occurring if you are doing any kind of AP practice) you can have surges which can feel like chakra activation in many different places in your body.

if using psychic abilities for betting and lotto and all that jazz were practical then you wouldn't ever see a psychic doing readings.  they would all be rich.....yet you see lots of psychics and the like all over the place......wonder why

You're expressing exactly what i think is BS.  And i didn't say anything about passivity.

It's hard not to do it, but I really don't equate masculine and feminine with men and women.  I equate it with energies, archetypes, natural forces.  Gender can embody either.  I'm just saying that this "age" is dominated by what traditionally is considered masculine or yang energy.  And my rant was trying to separate women from the term feminine and point out that presently women are much more aligned with masculinity.  And my point is that both men and women need more of the feminine energy to balance us out.  But this is an old issue.  For example, according to the Maya, the 5th age that we're entering now is one of neutral energy, where the first was yin, the second was yang, the 3rd was yin and this, the fourth is yang.  This coming age is to be not a unification of the two, but rather an absence of either.  Don't ask me how to explain that one, it's a concept I feel but can't logically explain. 

your wit and ingenuity astounds me.

my brain seems to have lost it's ability to comprehend reality anymore because of the god like power you possess in your tongue sir!

you must be a demon.

What is often called madness by "normal" society is really transformation.

Itzhak Bentov, a Czech born scientist, inventor, mystic  and author and early exponent of what has come to be referred to as consciousness studies has this to say on the subject:

"It is ironic that persons in whom the evolutionary processes of Nature have begun to operate more rapidly, and who can be considered as advanced mutants of the human race, are institutionalized as subnormal by their 'normal' peers.  I dare to guess, on the basis of discussion with my psychiatrist-friends, that this process is not as exotic and rare as one would like us to believe, and possibly 25 to 30 per cent of all institutionalized schizophrenics belong to this category - a tremendous waste of human potential."

One of Bentov's findings is that the diagnosis of schizophrenia stems from the kundalini activation of other levels of awareness:

"The reason for this is that they have been catapulted suddenly into a situation in which they are functioning in more than one reality. [like i said before, indigenous people who would be considered schizophrenic by modern medicine standards are seen as gifted beings who live between worlds]  They can see and hear things occurring in our neighboring realities, that is the astral or other higher realities, because their 'frequency response' has been broadened...The onslaught of information may be overwhelming, and they begin to mix and confuse two or three realities."


The italics are my words.
Thought I would share this Psilibus as a continuation of our previous discussion.  I just came across this guy and he articulates the point much more clearly than I do.  So that's what I was trying to say months ago when we talked about this.  I don't see schizophrenia as being a disease, no matter how bad you've seen it.  Were these "schizophrenics" to be given training instead of medication perhaps we would have a much different view of what they are.  Who knows.