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quote:Originally posted by volcomstone


"dragon ball z is a gateway drug"

LMAO[]

quote:Originally posted by Aries

I havent met mine yet, but from what I have heard. If you AstralProject then just start yelling for one, he/she will come.
I have also asked but not many of the more expierenced people read these because they have already helped alot of others on the subject, so its kind of hard to find alot of help in this particular area.
Hope this helps...
-Aries

ive tried the calling method too and sometimes it worked sometimes it didnt. the times it did work was when i was when i asked for help with something. when i just called for her for calling sake just to see if she would answer she never would come. but as soon as i added some purpose to her presance whe would come. so if you do call perhaps try to ask for something specific maybe like: "guide, please show yourself to me, it is very important to me that i verify your existance face to face." and of course it must be an honset call, if you say that it is important to see her/him face to face and it really is just to satisfy your ego so you can say to others "HA! i met my guide last night and you cant do that, losers!" she probably wont come.

quote:Originally posted by Yafey

Hi everyone!
These days i had an extraordinary experience, but i'm not sure what exactly hapenned.
Please, if someone had experienced the opening of the third eye chakra to explain the process.  [B)]

when my third eye opens i usually become rather dizzy in the begining, my physical eyes become crossed and unfocused, then i will feel a  warm spiraling sensation in my brain which gets focused into the center of my forehead. along with the spiraling i feel comforted and loved  and loving.

quote:Originally posted by Rex

how do you meditate?






Rex

my favorite meditation is to smile to my whole body and mind, to feel a smile flow down from my face through my bones and organs and muscles like a gentle stream. then to smile to the sub-navel area and feel gentle openness there, being aware of the universe surrounding me and its immensity in front in back above below me and feeling the universe charge my navel area till it spirals around like a galaxy.

[If you disagree I have nothing against you.]

quote:Originally posted by mustard

If you disagree I have nothing against you.
Just something we can ask those who deny our beliefs and think were idiots.We believe that Jesus healed all those people, then why don't rest of us believe in spiritual energy, chi , ki.... that exists in all living things. I know he's the son of God and he could do all those miraculous things , but do you
think God healed all those people or Jesus, when he touched them,
healing them of any illnesses they had?
You can call it whatever you want, I believe it exists.
If they (people who think you'r a fool) still respond otherwise, it will only prove they believe in what they were taught to believe and
can't think for themselves!

I dont think it takes knowledge of a chi or energy in its esoteric sense for there to be healing. i dont think jesus really healed those people with some kind of incredibly powerful mystical chi force. i dont even know if it is safe to say he healed anyone at all. he just inspired people to have faith that certain things they couldnt think would be done could be done with a thought and action.

quote:Originally posted by Aries

Whats SOHO?
-Aries

SOHO is the Solar and Heliospheric Observatory. They watch solar activity, flares, sun spots, radiation levels and take some nice pictures of the sun http://sohowww.nascom.nasa.gov/


I guess inguma is making some connection between solar activity and human behavior. Maybe there is a connection, id like to think the stars can effect our behavior only if we let it.

the little blue squiggly specks are your blood vessels in your eyes. they are most easily seen while looking up at the sky during the day time although if you really look you can see them against other backgrounds.

i went to a science fair a while back and there was an exhibit that allowed you to see the little blue specks when you looked into some kind of scope. it had something to do with ultraviolet light i cant remember the scientific explaination for how we are able to see the blood vessels.

quote:Originally posted by Tolvor

Reading through a lot of the recent posts, especially posts that deal with *when* you should start trying to exit, something that always gets mentioned is having waking paralysis.  The question is that RB states quite clearly (p87)
"Most paralysis edisodes, in my opinion, happen *after* the projection exit has occurred.  Full waking paralysis cannot occur before the projection exit." (RB-AD)

and p90
"I have experienced waking-paralysis episodes literally hundreds of times, but have never managed to convert one into an OBE." (RB-AD)

This is the only book I own (so far), so I'm unable to cross reference for other experts opinions on this.  Nor have I had any AP/OBE myself so I can't work off of experience.  Is sleep paralysis something to be worked towards or avoided?  Or is the effect secondary to the mental (astral/etheric) disassociation (if that is the case, how would anyone notice paralysis, as it's directly counter to disassociation)?  Or is it a personal thing, and for RB it simply doesn't work, but for others it could?

Thanks

You can project from the paralysis state, but i belive there are some conditions to projecting from it. if your having a full-blown sleep paralysis episode you are literally awake but cant move because the brain hasnt turned on the motor synapses yet. But you can also be having a more lucid sleep paralysis episode  which you can project from. with the lucid sleep paralysis episode you are not completely awake but still awake enough to try to move in which you may find you cant and then upon further attempts to move you may stimulate tha rtz body enough to project or choose to do some other method.

i believe albert taylor who wrote soul traveler mentions his ability to project from the paralysis state.

quote:Originally posted by math

Thanks for your comments.

I'm usually not completely conscious when this happens kind of asleep but awake at the same time - its difficult to describe. In order to remember to do something other than try to get outside I think I might need to work on re-programming my intention. I think this might be a good idea.

Your post implies that I am getting stuck because my vibrationary rate is  not high enough, is this right? I was under the impression that I should be able to pass through physical matter in the RTZ?

yea the rtz  sluggishness can be a bugger. its the rtz or astral equivalent of being woken up physically during sleep and being all physically groggy. Combat the sluggishness by situating yourself in the rtz better. you can do it the same way you get situated in the physical after being woken up. What ive tried that works for me is to focus on your surroundings for a moment. just look at the stuff around you or your hands and arm and kinda realize to yourself "oh, ok here i am".

another thing you can try which might be a little harder is to have what you want to do in mind and just go do it. dont think about the fact you cant move or that things are a little groggy, keep in mind what it is you want to go do and do it without a doubt in your mind that you cant.

These little physical spoilers seep into the rtz but i think are a matter of realizing that physical boundries are transcended in the rtz.for example gravity, initially and often in the begining, can effect ones ability to fly in the rtz. a way to transcend the fact that there is no gravity(at least i don think) is to realize that there isnt and then use enthusiasm from that fact to just do it. You can do this if it effects you once you do get out of your house by leaping in to the air in a great burst of enthusiasm yelling something like "FLY FLY FLY"

quote:Originally posted by math

In the last month or so I've managed a few projections from dreams into my bedroom in the RTZ (although twice I've noticed some dream imagery inteferring with a view of what I know is really my bedroom).

Anyway, on each occassion I've tried to leave my room by travelling through the wall but always get stuck in it. It feels like I'm trying to swim through treacle and everything gets darker/fuzzier and then I end up back in my body [].

Has anyone else experienced anything similar or have any idea what I can do to get out of my house? I'd really like to be able to get outside and fly around.

Cheers

Math

something like that has happened to me before. i tried to fly up through the roof and got all disorientated. i just closed my astral eyes and kept on going in the direction of what i thought was up for a little while and then opened them back up and i was on the other side. windows are a lot easier to go through maybe try to go through a window at first?

From what i know mantras act like a device to get the mind lulled into a state that is conductive to an oobe. If a mantra is getting you into that state which it sounds like to me that it is then it seems reasonable to keep using what is working. From my experience once you are in that state of changed awareness as a result of the mantra you can stop saying the mantra and start focusing on activating other sensations that can start a oobe if the mantra is distracting you from getting out.

quote:One thing that i found is that if i start talking to myself during the sinking or vibrations using self-narrative meaning actually saying the words in my head, it brings me out of the state of awareness

the reason why i think this happens to me is that once i get to some strong sinking or vibrational stage a good bulk of consciousness is in or going into the astral copy and by saying something in my head it brings the consciousness back to the physical. athough when im at the point of no return i could be reciting the alphabet and the exit will still happen. but i havnt had much success reciting a mantra or repeating anything subvocally to get me out once the initial sinking or vibes come about. If anyhting i stop saying the mantra once the sinking and vibes come and focus on intensing the sensations, if the sesation die down for whatever reason i use one or two words or a phrase like "more" to help refocus my intent and will, but saying it anymore than once or twice to try to refocus or intensify brings me totally out of the "conductive to getting out" state of awareness.

quote:Originally posted by jc84corvette

[quote One thing that i found is that if i start talking to myself during the sinking or vibrations using self-narrative meaning actually saying the words in my head, it brings me out of the state of awareness. Maybe saying something once  during the process is ok, but if you do it too much i think it might stop things from happening. perhaps try to project by accentuating feelings and sensations instead.

Oh really? Thanks for the for-warning.
[/quote]

anytime, let me know how it goes.

quote:Originally posted by Astpro

I've recently been attempting to see auras. I have been practicing on colours to begin with but I'm having my doubts. I tried at first on a red piece of card stuck to a piece of furniture across the room. At first I could see nothing, but then I tried to use the brow centre opening exercise combined with trance meditation. As soon as I felt a level of trance (quite light) I began to see what I thought must be the aura of the colour (green). Although the need for trance meditation seems to suggest that I really did see the aura around the object, I also began to see green in other parts of the room. I did not see other colours from other objects, only green. This suggests that my eyes merely saw an after image of a colour and not an aura at all. I also felt like I was looking at the colour in a different way to the normal way I look at things. I'm not sure whether this is because I was seeing it with my brow centre as well as with normal vision. Has anyone else experimented with auric vision here that could help?

it can be a bit tricky, kind of like bird watching actually. you kinda have to take in the whole picture and look for subtle movement that seems to not fit in with the surroundings. maybe try some bird watching to get the feeling of it.

quote:Originally posted by crazy_colombiang

when im meditating i get this feelings that my hands are flotaing is like they are not on my lap anymore. whats happening?

In my experience the arms and legs are loose, so if they felt like they were floating then it was probably your astral consciousness in the arms.

quote:Originally posted by jc84corvette

So just focus on the sinking feeling? When I had them I told my self "Im sinking Im sinking". But after a wile it just stops but I still feel heavy.

i think its more than just focusing on it with your awareness. go with the sensations and feeling of falling and sinking, feel the sensations intensify, after intensifying to a certain degree which may vary from person to person your consciousness will reach a point where the exit process happens by itself. Described in words it feels like "a point of no return", you can fight it all you want with all your will but it will be very difficult to stop, the best thing is to just go along for the ride. One thing that i found is that if i start talking to myself during the sinking or vibrations using self-narrative meaning actually saying the words in my head, it brings me out of the state of awareness. Maybe saying something once  during the process is ok, but if you do it too much i think it might stop things from happening. perhaps try to project by accentuating feelings and sensations instead.

quote:Originally posted by jc84corvette


I then started to feel my arms and body get HEAVY. Next it felt like my arms and body were falling in my bed! I told my self this was happening and I fell deeper.

So this is where your input is needed. I get these feelings many times and its almost second nature to me. But why do my body parts feel heavy and then sink into my bed? Am I closer to OBE/AP? What is left to do?

Hi jc,
the heaviness and sinking are very good signs that you are getting close to having a conscious obe. What you can try to do which has worked for me quite a few times is to go with the sinking feeling completely. I found that sometimes the sinking feeling can make one feel a bit uneasy and because of that we set up a limit on how much we let ourselves go with it. For me the limit is not in the form of a conscious thought like: "oh no im sinking i better hold back" but more like the feeling/intent behind those words that acts as a boundry.

If you can just go completely with the sinking feeling it can automatically start the exit and you can shoot out in a matter of seconds. I think the sinking sensation creates some kind of momentum, maybe like our consciousness sinks into the fabrique of space and space pushes back by shooting you out of body like a trampoline. and like a trampoline the further you go down into it the more push iy gives you back up.

quote:Originally posted by beavis

I have always been against lying to kids. Common lies or witholding of truth:

santa clause
easter bunny
sex
faith-based (instead of observation and experience) religion

Ive have a hard time lying to kids too. kids are so fun to play with in thier imaginative world. I was asked if santa was real and said "no, but we can pretend!"  Kids can know the truth and still enjoy thier vivid imaginations if people around them are willing to play along with the fun.

I think a lot of their unconscious fears and such are processed in the form of fantasy adventures since they cant really analyze them intellectually yet. Fear of the dark or unknown manifest in the imagination of a child as a monster under the bed or something lurking in the corner. Some people are still afraid of the dark in the older years cuz they never were able to deal with the way they conditioned themselves as a child. Maybe chalko is saying there is some kind of unconscious conditioning going on in that short time that we actually think there is a fat guy in a red suit giving us presents. Seems harmless to me though[^] i dont see anything wrong with giving people you care about a little gift as a token of your affection.

quote:Originally posted by jc84corvette

Hey you nenver know, you could forget it. Its variable for you if your a novice at it like me.

I wont forget them they are too profound to forget. maybe ill forget if it starts getting boring.

quote:Originally posted by Rob H

I would like to know if there are any good neg protection prayers in the Bible.

The bible itself is good neg protection. Its heavy and big, just give em a good pop in the head!

YAAAA!!

quote:Originally posted by jc84corvette

You forgott remembering the experience.

I wont forget something im enthusiastically doing.

quote:Originally posted by Steel Hawk

THIS THREAD HAS BEEN SET UP TO CHANNEL SATAN


QUESTIONS MAY BE SUBMITTED BUT DONT PUSH HIM AROUND AND DEMAND STUF.....AFTER ALL HE IS ...SATAN


This is SH
This is SATAN
Hello, are you listening?
I'm kinda busy right now.
Wow.. I can hear you, the [edit] medication [edit]'s doctor gave me is working! The voices are wonderful!
Yeah, what do you want? I need to get back to the game.
The game? Ah yes torching believers and virgins and all that fight against the light!
Um, what are you smoking? The GAME, you know Sunday?
Huh?
Never mind. What do you want?
Well.. I was wondering.. Can you manifest objects on the physical realm?
Yes. I manifested your girlfriend didn't I? What did you actually believe that she wasn't from hell?
Um.. Right. I don't even have a girlfriend, but anyway. I was wondering can you manifest a pound of herion in Mustardseeds trunk? I think it would be funny!
Ugh I suppose, hold on a sec.
(A few seconds past)
WHAT TYPE OF SICK FREAK ARE YOU? Theres no room for that! His trunk is already filled with a couple of [edit] bodies! Theres really not any room left, plus if I did that it would get all wet from [edit] and thats expensive [edit]!
Woha, chill out. Maybe that was a bad idea. How about...

Then I lost the presence...

its really hillarious sh keep it coming. oh yea, tell the devil he can kiss my butt.

quote:Originally posted by beavis

Question: Who in the USA government are aliens? (I suspect king George Bush II)

i doubt it, hes too stupid to be an alien. maybe some of power behind the thrown is though.

quote:Originally posted by alpine9

I would like to here what kind of effects does it have on you long term. I hear people say they've had hundreds of obe's but are still the same old person.

Do you feel psychic abilities kicking in?

More creative

more free spirited

more spiritual, mind power, instincts, intuition, less stress

I would love to read some post.

i guess i would say i feel like i have a more magnetic attraction to things that i desire, maybe thoughts materialize quicker?

quote:Originally posted by Amber

Yes, perhaps it is easier for men to open up anonymously over the internet as opposed to in person where they might be judged by society and their peers for being interested in what is usually a woman's realm: dreams and occult phenomenon.

I think its more like the guys are here looking for answers to questions from people who know more than they do or to share experiences and perspectives with like minded, probably the same reason why the ladies are here too. Internet is great for information exchange especially esoteric info since most people's peers and society dont much about it.

quote:I do have to say that from a physiological standpoint, women have a slight advantage for cultivating these experiences. I know personally OOBE's happen very easily during certain cycles of the month for women, our dreams start to get heavy, vivid and extended right before we menstruate, just naturally. Makes it ideal for slipping out of your body or into a lucid dream ect.

Eh, you can have all the periods you want but if you dont put some effort into it you probably wont get anywhere.[] any kind of cyclical advantage or hinderance at that whether it do with the stars or biological can be trancended with some good effort.

quote:But it seems that the most famous speakers or writers on this subject are usually men. Go figure...

thats true id like to see some sistas sharing thier wealth in the mainstream, whats up wit dat![]