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#26
Robert Peterson calls this "earth-sickness"

Your physical reflexes and expectations are clouding your experiences... The lack of sight is usually caused by the fact that you're looking through your physical eyes, where there is nothing but darkness since they are closed... Not being able to go through things is also caused by your expectations, this thing in your mind that says "there's just no way you can go through there."

I don't think it would indicate that it was "just a dream" -- the reason is simple: if it were a dream, why wouldn't you have been able to go through the wall? :p

Anyway, my advice would be to issue voice commands. When you have difficulty doing something, state out loud what it is you want to do. In the physical, we usually have two parts to us, one that thinks, and one that does. No matter how hard you think "move" at a ball, it probably won't move until you transfer the thought into movement and kick it away. When you issue the voice command in an OBE, it kind of throws your intention out there, and it empowers you to do the things you want, rather than merely thinking about them. After a while of doing this, you'll realize that you don't need to say it for it to happen anymore...

It's all a matter of realizing your infinite potential, the fact that the only thing that is preventing you from doing the things you want is yourself.

And for the vision part, you can try to do an exercise in the physical, when you're about to fall asleep and see images as you described; simply try to stay and look at the pictures without letting your physical sight call you back into the darkness of your eyelids. This skill is actually important for more than just sight; to have a full out of body experience with all human senses, it's important to be able to fully "forget" about physical senses and detach from all of them (touch is actually the most important).
#27
Energy work seems to be most effective in the physical... In fact, the energy body is pretty much (at least from the way I understand it) the part of the total self that is closest to the physical. And it is what you use to manifest psychic powers...

Development in the astral is extremely fast if you can manage to befriend advanced beings who will agree to grant you this kind of privilege. Robert Monroe's books and Rosalind McKnight's (a direct "student" of Monroe) speak of instantaneous healing, energy attunements and the like... All brought on by interactions with these beings that are aliens or advanced entities...

The overall idea, though, is that you need to cross a certain treshold in terms of the relationship between the energy body and physical consciousness. When you're out of body, you're projected outside of the physical, so the detachment might not be that beneficial to manifest psychic powers in the physical...

And of course, ultimately, there's no "quick and easy way" to acquire psychic powers... It's one of those "those who can do it, do it, those who can't, teach it" things.. :p
#28
It's no use replying seriously, this is most likely just a spam bot...
#29
QuoteImagine Having the Power to...
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#30
It's probably just blood flow causing a tickling sensation.
#31
At some point in yesterday's dream, I was in a schoolyard/parking lot and there were several cars trying to leave, but there were too many kids there for them to exit... One guy in a small black car got angry and started banging into another car, going back and forth... Eventually he backed up into me, but I flew up a little and avoided it...

Tonight we were outside, and a couple of yards from me, a car lightly rear ended another one... Then there were three more hits.. I didn't see it, because it was behind me, but my sister told me the guy got angry and accelerated several more times to hit the guy who had stopped in front of him.. When I turned around to look, I saw the car... It was a small black car, just like the one in my dream... He turned and sped away from the scene after his little road rage episode...

COINCIDENCE!?
#32
What happened during the MRI by the way? Doesn't seem that you had an OBE, but did you fall asleep or meditate or do anything in particular?
#33
Quote from: Synergy on October 20, 2007, 16:29:06
As for OBEs.... there is some evidence to suggest that they are not just memories conjurred by the mind.  There have been numerous accounts of OBEs during surgeries where the person is under general anesthesia.  It is a known medical fact that being under general anesthesia supresses REM sleep, and the person is unconscious.  Why then, do these people fully recall their OBEs, seeing the surgical room, the tools, the doctos working on them etc while their eyes are closed and they are supposed to be unconscious?  These OBEs can not be a dream, or a memory, or imagination, because these things are supressed by the anesthesia, yet these people have been a\ble to decribe in great detail what they witnessed/heard.
People very commonly report hearing everything that goes on while in surgery and being conscious throughout the process... General anesthesia may suppress REM sleep, it does not suppress brain activity...

QuoteMore evidence comes in the form of reports of 'ghosts' of living people being seen by others.  There are reports of people seeing the ghosts of people who are sick, in comas, and even of people who were just 'asleep' at the time and have nothing wrong with them.  There are even cases where these ghosts were witnessed by several people at once. 
Those are subjective experiences... Unless the ghost tells the person something that is physically verifiable and couldn't have been known otherwise, the report doesn't really count as evidence...

QuoteAnother example are shared dreams, and also shared OBEs, where more than one person have the same experience and all those involved remember the event exactly the same.  The only way I can see that this could occurr is if 'something' leaves the body and interacts with the same essense from the others involved.
It happened to me, and I agree there is a possibility that the mystical explanation is right, but as subjective experiencers, I don't see how we can instantly say "I left my body in spirit"; we'd be rushing to conclusions just like people from the middle ages who thought all planets and the Sun revolved around the Earth...

QuoteOne last thing... you seem pretty sure that the mind IS a bunch of electrical signals jumping from neuron to neuron... that means that you acknowledge that the neurons themselves are not 'us' but only the mechanism with which we control our physical body and ineract with the physical world.  Who is to say that this electrical field (or I would say more electromagnetic field) that is US can not survive outside of the physical body as well, by jumping through other machanisms unknown to us (yet) by physical science?... Possibly while we are out of body, we are jumping through electrons in the air, or going even deeper... maybe travelling using zero point energy itself.
That is precisely what I am saying.. OBEs and psychic dreams could be nothing but "interference" of an unknown kind with extra sugar coating created by our brains... That would make OBEs somewhat less real, and it would mean that perhaps there is no afterlife and there are no ghosts or spirits as we like to think of them, only echoes of physical beings that may or may not be self-aware...

OBEs are like the gateway drug of occult beliefs... We read all these things that seem crazy but would be so great if they were true... Then we have an OBE, and automatically go "if those are real, then there's a big chance that the rest is all real too!"

Maybe I'm just still bitter from the day I learned that Santa didn't exist, but well... I have access to the same information, the same studies as you do and I just think it's way, way too soon to assume anything.
#34
Quote from: Synergy on October 17, 2007, 14:05:37
Yes I can...  even if I only consider my own dreams! Dreams exist in a very real place to the person experiencing them; a whole infinate realm that really exists to the experiencer, and they are nonphysical! ;)

Dreams exist only as memories... The main reason we can recollect them is probably because they are recorded physically into our brains alongside memories of past events. You can't rule out the possibility that the mind is nothing but a bunch of electrical signals jumping around from neuron to neuron..
#35
Well, in their defense, there's infinitely more theories coming from mystics... Personally I would say I don't find either side's understanding of OBEs to be flawless...

The more I experience and read, the more I feel that perhaps OBEs really aren't as "magical" as we'd like them to be... I do believe it's possible to communicate remotely by thought... What if it's just that our brains are like big radios and we're able to "plug into" this big network of vibrating signals... Like our blood's metal vibrates at certain frequencies and the brain is somehow able to interpret the information that goes through there? What if dreams and OBEs are just brain farts and the ones with psychic elements are basically brain farts influenced by an outside signal? You can't deny that anything that cannot be verified concretely will never be anything more than a subjective experience, and could absolutely be the sole product of an overactive imagination, or the brain's ability to convert signals into something that makes sense...

You can't really rule out the possibility that there's nothing beyond the physical...
#36
Welcome to Astral Chat! / Re: James Randi
September 30, 2007, 16:56:19
Hmm... What about the original poster? It's a bit worrisome...

If he's not a teenager trying to act cool by making up stories, he's clearly suffering from acute paranoia...

I feel bad that there's nothing we can do to help him.
#37
Bananas are known for their high magnesium content... No need to buy pills, just eat bananas...
#38
You know, sleep problems usually have daytime implications.. About how you handle stress for instance... Perhaps it could be a good motivator to try and manage your stress better, so you can have a rested mind that doesn't constantly worry. For instance, do not keep a computer or other things that catch your attention within the room you sleep in -- if you take ambien, I think the booklet has something about that, like "the bedroom is only for sleep and sex" ; it's extremely good advice.

If it's a physical problem, think about what you could do that would make it easier to sleep. Invest in a softer mattress, quit smoking, stay away from caffeine and high sugar foods after 6 p.m., etc...

You might even want to go as far as changing careers, or seeing a therapist on a weekly basis.

There's just no words to express how important it is to sleep correctly for one's overall well-being... Over our lives, we often learn a lot of bad sleep habits; the most common being that we place no importance in sleep and focus solely on how time slept is time lost, which is actually very far from the truth.

One of the keys to projection is just that; learning proper sleep methods.
#39
Projection is about entering the trance state, in between sleep and wakefulness, wherehas sleep medication is about knocking yourself unconscious so you can't keep yourself awake. They're not compatible...
#40
Quote1. i dont know why, but the "clearing the mind thing" doesn't work and just puts me to sleep. my mind was absolutely racing on overdrive when the "vibrations" came. i feel like its more of just not moving your body and not thinking about it and staying relaxed.
Yeah, you'll usually have more success at the beginning from simply following your mind into trance, as it unfocuses from the physical and you get sucked into an alternate reality. The only problem is you might not end up out of body but in a subjective dream, in which case you'll have to go through an extra step to destroy the dream and "see reality"; to project "for real."

Quote5.i tried to fly several times. i was able to jump pretty high, but unable to sustain flight. i leaped onto my roof to try to get a running start and fell flat on my face, although it didn't hurt :). i did remember thinking a few times "if i'm awake this is going to hurt". im serious....thats how real the whole thing felt.
Try issuing voice commands, like "float up... float up... float up..."; when we're awake, we're used to having our minds inside us that nobody outside can hear, and our bodies outside which are the only way we can act in and upon our surroundings. In OBEs, we have a tendency to "close" our minds in the same manner as the physical, so even if you know what you want to do, it's really important to push that intention out so that it is carried out and is not just thrown away like a physical thought. Saying it gives it a lot more weight, and somehow it just happens.

Quote6.there was a pain in my back, but yet not when i fall off my roof? it was weird.
Could be pain from your sleeping position... I once had an OBE where a full side of my astral body was paralyzed; when I woke up, I realized I had been cutting blood circulation to my arm, it felt completely dead!

Quote8.i tried to visit someone, since i couldn't fly i ran down the street and thought of them. it didn't work out, anybody have any tips for this?
Voice commands again... You could try walking up to a door and saying "when I walk through this door, I will find myself in [place you want to be]" and the transportation will be done instantaneously
#41
Welcome to Out of Body Experiences! / Re: question...
September 09, 2007, 02:35:16
Well, unfortunately, not that close... But we can give you some advice..

What's important with visualization techniques is to get so caught up in your visualization that you actually enter it. That's something we usually do when we sleep normally, so you'll want to add some sleep training that'll allow you to stay aware when your body shuts down. The best way is to keep going in and out of sleep; play music, keep the TV on, use alarms; anything that'll cause you to wake up periodically is good. It'll strengthen your ability a lot over time.

Twitching eyes: try "reverse blinking"; you keep your eyes closed, and every 5 seconds or so (with each breath basically), you open them for a split second. It'll relax the eyes a lot and cause your eyelids to go heavy; that usually supresses twitching.
#42
I usually "feel for" a fuzzy feeling around my body. It's very subtle, it feels like very soft cotton... Some kind of energy that is always around you but that you won't notice unless you look for it... The first time I saw it, it was colored; now it's transparent, but I can feel it there.

Whenever you direct your attention to something by looking at it, a part of this energy flows to the object and wraps itself around it.
I don't know if there's actual energy or if it's just a feature of the mind, but it's a great tool to stay in the experience... I call it "anchoring" -- you push strings of this cloud-like energy stuff out of you and wrap it around objects, like to a shelf, a book, a desk lamp... And somehow, just like dropping an anchor will prevent the waves from pulling your boat away, this awareness action makes you stay in the experience longer. The more you anchor, the clearer everything becomes...

I also noticed that we have a lot of this "fuzzy stuff" around us when we're still in-body but in sleep paralysis... Pushing it away makes it very easy to just step out of body, really feels like you're opening the lid of a box that traps you.

If you try it, let me know what happens -- I'd be intereted to know if it works for others too.
#43
Quote from: Milkdrops on September 04, 2007, 19:28:58
- A friend decided to try while in etheric projection once, to pass his etheric hand through his computer... bad idea... but when he woke he turned on his computer to find that there were errors and data to the tune of 10 gb was missing from the hard drive, as if a magnet had been passed over it.

Haha thats cool as hell!

I am in awe.
#44
QuoteWhat I am saying, is that you are trying to use physical terms to explain the operations of something that is not physical.  That is a completely illogical association.

Don't be ridiculous...

You are the one making the association between touching your monitor in an OBE, and your hard drive having a very common non-magical problem -- Thinking that anything remotely unnatural happened is already illogical enough...

Answer this question: do you honestly think that an unknown force actually mimicked data misallocation on the hard drive by deliberately corrupting areas of the disk along a circular path that is a few nanometers wide, in a completely controlled manner that was harmless to all vital system and user files?

If that was plausible, then perhaps I would support your argument... But that's like arguing that it may not have been your fingerprints on a murder weapon, because it's possible that another person somewhere on this planet has the exact same prints you do.
#45
QuoteSynergie has the best intentions, so I hope her readers will learn to trust her, even if she misquotes or misinterprets a friend tells her.  She's not an impulsive person, so there is usually a lot of thought placed into the things she writes.

Right, I don't think it's fair for her credibility to be hurt by another person's mistake.

I also have nothing to gain from arguing about this or discrediting the story...

It's just that what happened is so typical of a common computing mishap and bears no resemblance to electromagnetic damage... It changes everything..

Right now, what you're saying is that some unseen force tried to damage your computer by writing random bits in specific areas of the hard drive, but did it in a careful way that would not damage any known used data or important system files. It worked very stealthily to accomplish this feat and mask it as the single most common disk error, ever. I believe the expression used in this kind of context is "hanging on to a thread."

Quoteit would be best to look at the general theme

As in, it would be best to omit facts?


Believe me, I understand the value you see in the story, and I know what it feels like to wake up to uncanny coincidences, I project too... But I'm afraid listening only to what you want to hear is not the best way to go about investigating these matters. This is your cue to move this story from your "maybe" list to your "highly improbable" list. I'm glad I could help you with interpreting your experience, you're welcome.
#46
There's two "parts" to a hard drive when it stores data... One is the master file table, the other is data... It basically writes data to the data part, and then writes filenames, sizes and references to the file table. Sometimes, several parts of the same data are allocated to different files, or file entries are corrupted... Errors in allocation can happen in a variety of situations, the most common being when a program suddenly halts (or crashes) or the computer is turned off while it is writing to the disk. This does not prevent the computer from functioning properly, usually, because no data (or "memory") is lost, it's just misallocated; i.e., it's garbage, and wouldn't even need to be accessed. Running a check after not running one for a long time usually reveals misallocated data, because the OS does not typically check the entries for integrity -- it'll just let garbage data take up useless space. I'm surprised that your brother checked the hard drive for integrity two days in a row; it would probably mean that this type of error happened to your computer often, or that he really really enjoys running system tools.

Now, I'm sorry that I have no professional credentials besides being a Computer Science dropout who was once the "neighborhood computer repair kid", but even with this latest message, you don't come across as a person who has the ability to properly assess what happened... It's not something to be ashamed of, and it's not a personal attack on your internet reputation; I think if you had extensive experience in troubleshooting computer problems, you would not even consider this occurrence to be more than a banal coincidence...

I don't think your side of the story can be supported by the A++ guy's theory either, just because of the probability of it happening that way... Randomly writing to the hard drive and hitting only the file tables without preventing the computer from booting is really an amazing feat... Data is recorded in a circular manner... You'll have one platter with the master file tables on it taking up a fraction of a millimeter... Followed directly by the system files from when you installed the OS... It would mean you hit it just right there in that sweet spot, and did not knock out a single file that was actually important to either windows or you... There's just no chance, it's not even pessimism... Even if you were trying to achieve this on purpose with an electron microscope and high tech miniaturized equipment, you would probably fail.

This story:
QuoteA friend decided to try while in etheric projection once, to pass his etheric hand through his computer... bad idea... but when he woke he turned on his computer to find that there were errors and data to the tune of 10 gb was missing from the hard drive, as if a magnet had been passed over it.

Is extremely misleading, and is only helping to create rumors...

I'm sorry for singling it out specifically.. But Synergy is trying to investigate something of a highly scientific nature... I feel it's important for her to know that the chance of the story having any weight is remarkably low, for the reasons outlined above.

You went through your computer monitor in an OBE, and the next day your brother ran a scan and found some errors.. On a personal level, yes, it's an interesting-ish coincidence... But on OBE message boards, it's become somewhat of an urban legend that people routinely mention and give actual weight to, because it was in the ebook and presented almost as solid fact.
#47
Quote from: Synergy on September 01, 2007, 11:14:37
- A friend decided to try while in etheric projection once, to pass his etheric hand through his computer... bad idea... but when he woke he turned on his computer to find that there were errors and data to the tune of 10 gb was missing from the hard drive, as if a magnet had been passed over it.

You know... That story keeps being tossed around... But I really don't think it should be regarded as having any value whatsoever... I talked to the guy on astral society (solstice, I think)... What happened to his hard drive beared no resemblance to what putting a magnet near a hard drive would actually do...

First of all, he passed his hand through the computer monitor, not the actual computer...
Second of all... When he woke up and turned the computer on, scandisk reported invalid file entries... No data was actually lost... This is something that routinely happens when windows crashes, or if there's a power outage while you're downloading something. Not something that happens when you put a magnet near a hard drive. (and he said "something like 100mb" -- not 10gb)
And finally... The way he talked about it really proved to me that the story was bogus (not a lie, just a misinterpretation)... He was being overly vague about what exactly had happened... When pressed for more details, he started babbling, using wrong technical terms...

The story is just coincidence and lack of technical knowledge... Trust me...

EDIT: Oh... And I forgot to actually explain what happens when you put a magnet near a hard drive... Take out your hard drive, rub a magnet on it, and put it back into your computer. It'll work just fine, as if nothing happened. It's a hard drive... Not a VHS tape. If it did cause damage, the hard drive would be completely dead...
#48
Don't be so confident that what you experienced is all "real" and that you know what's happening, that you know what "plane" you're in, etc... Your experiences are as subjective as everyone else's... There is a point in your development where you turned a suspicion into a full blown belief, and now you're letting it take over your life.

Have you ever considered that perhaps the experiences are not the cause but the product of your lack of physical energy? Depression causes you to feel tired, and it does bring on nightmares...

For example, you say that it's much easier to "possess" someone who is unaware... Yet, you've had hundreds of OBEs, and "they" have you pretty convinced and terrorized... Shouldn't it be the other way around?
#49
Woke up in the middle of the night to vibrations... I found this weird bird walking around on the floor of my room wearing half of an egg shell on its head as a helmet... Its body was all gooey, it looked like it was made out of jello. It got upset and let out this amazing volume of feces all over my clothes and the floor... so I walk out of my room to get something to clean and I notice that my sister's sitting on the living room couch with her bed covers... So I show her the bird, she tells me it's a "cotton bird" and these things like to make their nests in people's houses...

Anyway, this morning, I wake up, and my sister's in the living room, sleeping on the couch, just like in the OBE... First time I've seen this happen since we moved in here two years ago... Maybe she made noise and I subconsciously guessed that she was there, but I was surprised to see someone asleep there when I came out of my room this morning!
#50
The experiment has nothing to do with out of body experiences... They're moving the point of self awareness while the subject is wide awake... Interesting... But not an OBE! Call it short-range remote viewing, perhaps...

I saw another article a few weeks ago about a scientist who uses magnets to trigger "OBEs" in people... His "proof" that OBEs are all in the mind is the fact that putting a strong magnet near a certain area of the brain causes you to feel a presence in the room.. His subjects don't even have an actual OBE!

Here, it's not even clear that the scientist himself was trying to "disprove" OBEs... It looks like the people writing the news somehow decided to not only claim proof where there is none, but they've got their OBE facts wrong too!