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So are you supposed to look at your finger infront of the screen, kind of like a magic eye type exercise? Or are you supposed to look at the screen... in focus or out of focus?

Tish, can you provide us with some info on how you got into RV and the tehcniques used? Or websites perhaps.... book reccomendations?

Thanks,


Ashfo

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For every 1 person, for example, who can conservatively and safely smoke marijuana and maintain a healthy social life and career, there are 10,000 people who blow all of their money smoking weed and end up abusing dangerous, physically addictive drugs.  

That's such an outrageous exaggeration it's not funny. Most marijuana smokers will try it once or twice, find it average and stop. It is only consistent smokers, and then only a small percentage of them, that take harder drugs. And simply from your own personal experiences you cannot say that they lead to a dead end. Psychiatrists have used LSD in an extremely positive way in helping people deal with cancers and other mental illnesses. Harder drugs help people open their minds... I would say many people who consider themselves "spiritual" were affected largely in their choice by drugs. Making a blanket statement like that is unfair to those who you might be discouraging from drug use.

As for Salvia, there is no way that it wont effect you if you take enough of it. It is an extremely powerful drug... and the difference between APing and using it I would say is the fact of intoxication. Most drugs intoxicate, whereas when you AP consciously your mind is in a clear state.


Ashfo

The fact is until (at most) a millenia or so ago almost every human and their descendent relied on meat as their prime form of food. Because of this human bodies have grown to require the iron and supplements that meat provides. Only on a very, very careful vegeterian diet can you replicate what meat provides.

In almost all scientific studies conducted vegetarians are more likely to die younger, contract more diseases/cancers, age quicker and generally be less healthy than their meat eating counterparts. I am not saying that you can be a healthy vegetarian - you can be - it's just very difficuilt and expensive, making it a choice very few take up.

The animals conditions, at least in New Zealand, are very very good. Farmers recognise that you need happy animals to provide good meat and so many steps are being taken to increase the happiness of the animals. A recent development in some of the NZ slaughterhouses sees all animals put in blackout rooms before theyre slaughtered as it calms them after their road journey.

The other fact is if we didn't eat the animals we wouldn't breed them. Isn't it better to have life than no life? You might argue that breeding them for only our own satisfaction is selfish. Is their life not satisfying? If you were able to communicate with the animals and ask them "would you rather exist or not?" what do you suggest they would say? The answer, I suggest, is obvious.


Ashfo

This kind of theory sounds just like someone who tried to tell me that marijuana kills the soul. Many recreational drugs, especially dissociatives like dex and pcp, only enhance your chance of projecting as they do the very thing your attempting without them - dissociate your body from mind. At very high levels of dissociation it is almost certain you will have an OBE on one of these drugs.

I dont know the half-life of PCP, but the half-life of dex is 4-8hours (assuming no saturation), which means in a maximum of 48-72 hours the drug will no longer be in sufficient quantity to continue affecting you. If you are enzyme deficient this can take much longer, and usually after very high doses of dissociatives the after effects can be felt up to a week maximum.

As for foods like chocolate and cola I simply cant see how it could harm your chances of projecting. More and more research shows that chocolate is actually good for you in mediocre doses and why would you abstain from a substance which is not only very nice but also good for you? I can understand how caffeine could effect you if taken anywhere 24hours (at the max) before attempting to project, but how could a coffee a week, or even two days ago, harm your chances of projecting?

As for tobacco... Well, perhaps this could have an effect but I fail to see how anything that doesn't affect the brain significantly could in any way an affect on your chances of APing...

Sounds kinda puritan to me.


Ashfo

["You are First Cause. You are a portion of the great energy. And you, yourselves are thought manifestations of what you think you are."]

I've done alot of experimenting with the two, and I think it pretty much boils down to this:

Drugs remove physical buffers but because of their effect on your mind what you see will be really really strange and bizarre.

- Ashfo

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["You are First Cause. You are a portion of the great energy. And you, yourselves are thought manifestations of what you think you are."]

Heh, same here.

I have to say my favourite a MMORPGS - Massive Multiplayer Online Role Playing Games - and dont let that term confuse you.

Your in a world where magic is real, bards and warriors also exist.. you can choose what to be.
What do you fight? The computer? Hell no. You fight other people, not so-called "AI", but "I". Real intelligence. Real skill. To be good you dont just need quake like reflexes but strategy and a view into the enemies mind..

They're fantastic... I can't play any other game these days.

Oh, and only 1% of players actually "role play" and talk in bad Shakespearen

Asfho

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["You are First Cause. You are a portion of the great energy. And you, yourselves are thought manifestations of what you think you are."]

I've had the same experience with TOOL

Its pretty cool huh?


- Ashfo

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["You are First Cause. You are a portion of the great energy. And you, yourselves are thought manifestations of what you think you are."]

Just as a one up, you might like to try Omega-3 as a supplement. There are a few good books on the subject and myself and a few others in my family have begun taking daily Omega-3 and you can visibly see the difference. I reccomend it to anyone.



As for wine, I personally favor a good pinot noir, and I reccomend any wine lovers check out some NZ wines, there are some fantastic ones, though I dont doubt theyre much more expensive overseas.

I'm not into white afraid :p

- Ashfo

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["You are First Cause. You are a portion of the great energy. And you, yourselves are thought manifestations of what you think you are."]

Mat Cauthon is my favorite also ^_^

- Ashfo

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["You are First Cause. You are a portion of the great energy. And you, yourselves are thought manifestations of what you think you are."]

I've thought about this question myself but came to the conclusion that, basically, so what?

Isn't it just as likely that part of our "physical world puporse" (if there is one) is to understand and explore the Astral? Perhaps we we're put on Earth in some round-about way to expand our minds and perform some other sort of task?

Perhaps this explains why so many arent interested - it isn't part of their "purpose" so fate (if it exists) strays them from this path.

How do we even know we go to the Astral when we die? How can we even be sure there are sould there?

I like this analogy: In the "Astral" we are like ants on Earth. We simply can't comprehend or understand the full picture. Or perhaps that's not right... perhaps we can understand everything.

Or perhaps we should just do what we feel like as that could just be our purpose

- Ashfo

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["You are First Cause. You are a portion of the great energy. And you, yourselves are thought manifestations of what you think you are."]

I have been in a very similar situation.

My parents split, my mum had a partner about 800k odd away and had lived in Dunedin for 2 years after the marriage broke so we could see both parents lots and keep our old friends etc. She was working in an average job but could do much better with her partner.

About 3 years ago she moved, I came with her, my oldest brother was leaving to go to university and my middle brother stayed for the last 2 years of his schooling in Dunedin.

It was the right thing to do. I am glad I did it, I couldn't imagine how I would feel if simply because of me my mum had stayed in Dunedin, broken up with her partner and continued with her average job just for my sake.

I actually think it would be good for your daughter if she moved.. it actually helps her social skills and she would most likely look back favorably on your choice in the long run (because of having more money when shes older etc).

I moved the year going into high school and this helped alot... lots of people didnt know many others and it was easier to make friends, but at age 10 I think she wont find it a big problem.

I might not have much old wisdom, but I think you should do it

- Ashfo

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["You are First Cause. You are a portion of the great energy. And you, yourselves are thought manifestations of what you think you are."]

I've thought about this alot and thought about posting it as well....

Funny you thought the same thing.

So many things fit in... Like how thought becomes true, the techniques they use to access the dream world, etc etc

I wonder if we could do what Egwene did and take your whole physical there and actually travel.....

- Ashfo

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["You are First Cause. You are a portion of the great energy. And you, yourselves are thought manifestations of what you think you are."]

Agh... I really want those CDs but cant afford them.

I hate to say it, but Frank do you have the ability to copy them? When Im older Ill buy them from Monroe and pay him back

- Ashfo

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["You are First Cause. You are a portion of the great energy. And you, yourselves are thought manifestations of what you think you are."]

I'm confident we didn't.

Some basic pieces of information....

a) The flag fluttering: There was nobody near the flag, it was waving, not turning around like someone was screwing it in

b) There is no stars: There is no stars in much of the footage

c) There is no blast crater or any sign of rock movement on the moon even though a jet engine just stopped igniting right above it.

d) Footprints are made on dust which should have been blown away by the rocket

e) Double the speed and they are bouncing along and the moon buggy is acting under normal gravity conditions.

f) There is so much radiation out there its estimated you would need 6feet of concrete or 2feet of lead to just stay safe (this is why the Russians gave up - they realised it was undoable.)

g) The camera position of neil armstrong walking out of the lander is impossible - there is no way a camera could have been in that position.

h) Neil armstrong is lit up in some form of lighting even though he should be in the shade from the lander (the lander around him is black)

i) In many of the shots some rocks, people and objects have two shadows. Obviously this is from fake lighting.

j) They are seen running over the same piece of land twice in supposedly two different landings 30km apart.

k) There is a piece of desert in the Nevada that looks identical to an area on "the moon". This doesn't sound substantial, but you haven't seen the likeness.

l) Something like seven of the programs 15-odd prime astronauts were killed in suspicous circumstances because they commented before their death on speaking out and hating hiding things to their family etc.

m) I forget the name of the event, but the rocket that ignited on the ground was very suspicous. I cant remember exact details, but it took the rescue teams way too long to get there and no investigation was ever carried out (the module is in a bunker in one of the top secert air force base areas.)


That's just what I remember off the top of my head.

- Ashfo

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["You are First Cause. You are a portion of the great energy. And you, yourselves are thought manifestations of what you think you are."]

I've actually recently had the same experience....

Over the last two weeks its started, but ive been here for about 3 years.



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["You are First Cause. You are a portion of the great energy. And you, yourselves are thought manifestations of what you think you are."]

Thanks for the explanation... sounds much easier now


- Ashfo

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["You are First Cause. You are a portion of the great energy. And you, yourselves are thought manifestations of what you think you are."]

Tom, could you explain in more detail the method?

when you say in 2, do you mean take in two seperate half-breaths? Or breath in, out, in, out?

Just a little confused...

Thanks very much for posting technique

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["You are First Cause. You are a portion of the great energy. And you, yourselves are thought manifestations of what you think you are."]

heh... I got the Introspective one as well.

There's something bout that purple twirly thing huh?


- Ashfo

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["You are First Cause. You are a portion of the great energy. And you, yourselves are thought manifestations of what you think you are."]

Gee....

Where are all you guys from?

It seems to me Americans do have a trend of spending money they dont have and worrying about it later... e.g buying a $15,000 car when a $5000 model would suffice.

In NZ most people use cashflow/cashpoint cards for day-to-day bussiness - it directly debits the money from your account and will decline you if you go over. Most people get them when they're about 12... perhaps this builds a sort of responsibility with plastic.

The only reason I would ever get a CC is to buy things over the net, I've heard too many horror stories about CC debt.

I guess I cant really comment though... I'm only 15 and really fortunate to have a large sum behind me from deceased grandparents etc to pay for lifes earliest debts (uni etc)

- Ashfo

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["You are First Cause. You are a portion of the great energy. And you, yourselves are thought manifestations of what you think you are."]

Can anything on the physical hurt the etheric in a "physical" way?

Like I understand emotions/depression could hurt, but is there even a way to affect another dimension without entering it?

- Ashfo

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["You are First Cause. You are a portion of the great energy. And you, yourselves are thought manifestations of what you think you are."]

Hey, if you have the CD take out the slip and have a look! The picture is actually seperated onto 6 different clear plastic "slides". For those without the CD I'll go through them here... then perhaps we can discuss what they symbolise etc.

1st layer (back layer) :A symetrical cross (not sacrificial cross) in which it looks like layers of energy with beads between them are eminating from the 4 points.

2nd layer: The very basic human body with organs etc visible, head is infront of cross on first layer and slight blue light surrounds person.

3rd layer: Brain and body more detailed, looks like an older more developed person than previous image (but same size), stronger blue light around person and a pentagram behind their jaw (makes me think of the area Frank says he "splits" from his body to project)

4th layer: Again looks more devloped, ribcage is there, stronger blue light, circle pentagram-like object behind head. Circle of fire surrounding person goes from shoulder to shoulder.

5th layer: Muscular body more evident, obviously coming closer to skin, nothing else new.

6th layer: various chakras represented by eyes in flame, funnel of light surrounded by spiral of flame comes from above and into heart chakra.


Wow.... incredible that theres so many diff. layers. My thoughts are this... Through the layers the human body "grows" or the pictures move from the inside out...

Any thoughts?

- Ashfo

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["You are First Cause. You are a portion of the great energy. And you, yourselves are thought manifestations of what you think you are."]

ralphm can you post that link? ^_^

- Ashfo

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["You are First Cause. You are a portion of the great energy. And you, yourselves are thought manifestations of what you think you are."]

Funny you mention parabola!

tool is one of my favorite bands and I've had my closest near-OBE experience by just sitting down and relaxing to their music. But everytime I sit down and relax to tool the relaxation/vibrations peak on parabola! It's incredible... If I start at song 1, 2 or 3 its always parabola....

And your right, I never looked at the lateralas case before, but I know tool are a very "enlightened" band. Did you notice the pentagram-like object behind his head? I wonder what that is symbolic of....


- Ashfo

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["You are First Cause. You are a portion of the great energy. And you, yourselves are thought manifestations of what you think you are."]

Hey DG that link doesnt work... is the site down?

- Ashfo

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