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I know exactly what you're talking about... I've had only 10 exits but dozens of these "disappearing vibrations" you describe, often related to paralysis episodes and/or projection into the etheric body. They are never usually consciously induced...

The etheric body "expands" when you fall asleep. The deeper you go, the farther from the physical the consciousness is able to "stick out."

When you feel this sudden "deflation" (when the buzzing subsides), the etheric body is pretty much "sucked back into the body" from its expanded state. When you experience it often, it means you are finally gaining better awareness of these short periods of time before you fall asleep and when you are starting to wake up. The problem is we are extremely used to suddenly regaining consciousness and waking up, but we don't very often remember this trance phase right at the end of sleep. The truth is, every time we wake up, we have this small period of time where we are "in limbo" and could project if only we had our full senses.

When you suddenly wake up in this state, you are usually exiting trance, so you are not in a stable state. What you must do is mentally prepare yourself to remember how to act next time it happens, because the natural reflex is to break the trance and wake up. I recommend affirmations accompanied by visualization. Whenever you wake up, try to remember what this "half awake" state you experience right as you exit sleep feels like, try to remember to detect it as it happens.

Once you are aware in this state, make sure you remain immobile and do not look around with the physical eyes. Remain perfectly still and concentrate on your mind's eye (the "screen" where memory-images are displayed, not the third eye). Try to recognize patterns, but do not physically look. If you manage to do this, you will slowly pull out of the body and get closer to this "dream image." The result should be a lucid dream. Once you are there, feel for your energy body, and try to look around at "reality" -- the dream landscape should slowly transform into the room your physical body is located, and you'll be able to project from that point.


(This is how I do it, anyway )

I had to wait 8 hours at a bus terminal between the US and Canada border today. I was with the same two people for those 8 hours, we chatted a bit and then I tried to take a nap. The girl was on the phone with her relatives from Norway, so she was speaking norwegian.

Hypnogogic images started coming to me so I decided to try a little "I wish I had superpowers" experiment. I did not understand a word she was saying, but I tried to "tell" the hypnogogics to translate for me. Obviously, it didn't work, but what happened was quite surprising... The images that came to me were pictures of words she was saying that sounded like english words!

What was particularly surprising was that I wasn't really listening, only hearing, if that makes sense. The words were indeed "translated" ; rather they were interpreted to match words that I knew in a completely automated manner.

So I want to try a new experiment now -- I'll download audiobooks in languages I know nothing about and play them as I fall asleep.

My theory is that paying attention to a language you don't understand causes your brain to go into an altered state, a concept similar to the ganzfeld effect -- in the absence of knowns, the brain enters a "meditative" state by itself and tries to process an endless flow of seemingly random information, causing hallucinations and the like.

So if anyone feels like trying it out too, please post your results

Ah, good, now I know I'd better avoid "sleep paralysis" with more than 500% certainty

Oh, yeah, it's totally possible. Jesus did it, and so can you. (reading back, it looks like I'm joking, but I'm really not)

Synergy -- well, sleep paralysis in my experience is definitely not the same as the "scientific" definition ; it is a state of deep trance where the consciousness is able to control both the physical and etheric (energy) body. In that state you (usually) have full fledged astral vision and hearing, often much sharper hearing than in physical reality. It is possible to "sit up" in the etheric body while the physical is still sound asleep, but you can still feel and control the physical. Trying to move physical limbs tends to produce weird sounds, like crackling and theremin-like tones inside the non-physical head.

I noticed that I am in this state when I am dreaming, and my consciousness seems to be centered in an area above the navel. In order to exit the dream, I feel for my non-physical body and back out of this area to find myself in the room, not projected but not in the physical either, "trapped in my body" with limited movement capabilities. It's possible to remain in this state for as long as you do not move the physical body too much, if you make any sudden movements with the physical body, the trance is broken and you wake up. I don't think there's a physiological paralysis in this state because it happens during a phase of light sleep and all my limbs are operational, just slightly out of phase and difficult to command, but definitely not paralyzed.

There seem to be different "levels" of paralysis, depending on how focused you are in the etheric body. Sometimes it is a somewhat lighter state of trance where much of the consciousness is shifted in the physical, and any attempt to move the physical limbs immediately aborts the "projection," which produces strong pressure, as if you were sucked back into the body. In order to deepen the state and shift back into the etheric body, it can be useful to try and look around, to let the astral vision replace the darkness behind the eyelids. Once a deep enough state is attained (once you are properly focused/anchored in the non-physical), it becomes easy to project.

The symptoms of this "astral catalepsy" I experienced dozens of times are just so similar to the descriptions of sleep paralysis, I don't think they can be different... I do know that there are chemicals responsible for shutting down the muscles during sleep, supposedly so that we don't act out our dreams, but I don't see how people would report astral vision if they were really awake and 100% unable to move... It seems both "astral catalepsy" and legitimate chemical-related "sleep paralysis" have been put in the same bag ; if the latter really does exist, then there are two different types of sleep paralysis, and one of them is paranormal in nature, hence why I feel it's important to separate them.

The suggestion that the chemicals are meant to prevent us from acting out our dreams seems pretty weird to me, by the way... These are the same scientists who claim a dream happens over the course of a split second in the middle of REM sleep... How do you find the time to act out an instantaneous spurt of random garbage memory, Mr Scientist?


About the physical being part of the astral, it's pretty tough to explain, but it's what I gathered from reading Seth Speaks by Jane Roberts, the physics part in Adventures Beyond the Body by William Buhlman, Cosmic Journeys by Rosalind McKnight... Edgar Cayce researched this as well... I'll try to explain it...

Basically, the non-physical universe is a big blob of consciousness ("Thought-stuff", intelligent matter). The astral realm we live in was created by some entity in a very particular way: instead of creating a world like the other astral realms out of consciousness, it created a world out of the echos of consciousness.

Everything in the universe has to have an equal and opposite reaction. When a particle is created, an anomaly is created. Consciousness is considered "light matter," while physical matter is "dark matter." When a light matter particle is created in the astral, a dark matter counterpart comes into existence. Astral realms are made of this light matter, and are inhabited by light matter beings. These realms are as tangible as our physical reality, yet the degree of freedom experienced there is much greater. The difference between our physical plane and other realms is that we do not actually exist in the non-physical, we are made up of the anomalies created by the existence of "real" matter.

The etheric is the "real" world, while the physical is only an echo of it. The etheric is not separate from the Astral, it is actually right in the middle of it. I think it was in one of Monroe's books -- an entity described our realm as a spectrum going from 0 to 5, and we are at 2.5. The astral does extend both below and above the physical, so it would seem that we are right in the middle of the astral spectrum.

The idea is that the physical universe does not actually exist per se, it is more of an intentional by-product, which was designed specifically to prevent matter from traveling dimensionally by exploiting the properties of this "dark matter". So therefore, the physical and etheric are subsets of the astral, not actually separate dimensions.

I don't know if I explained it right, but that's the gist of it.

I'm writing a guide of my own and I've spent a good deal of time trying to sort out how I should name things... The terminology is so confusing, and the fact that occultists borrow words from science and put their own meaning on them doesn't help!

I've decided that "dream" and "lucid dream" are words that have a definition in the scientific community, and are therefore useless. I don't think there is such a thing as a lucid dream -- it's an oxymoron, dreams are never lucid! Instead, I decided to use the word "nightly experience" wherever possible instead of "dream" ; nobody can get confused because the expression isn't in the dictionary . I avoid the expression "lucid dream" entirely ; a lucid dream is a projection to a subjective astral realm in most cases...

Another thing that bothers me is "sleep paralysis." I decided to use Muldoon and Carrington's term, "Astral catalepsy" -- when the projector is stuck in an etheric projection and has difficulty moving -- to differentiate it from the "scientific" term.

I decided not to keep Robert Bruce's "Real Time Zone" because it is the exact same thing as the etheric plane. I did however mention the "projectable double."

I'm still undecided on whether to use the word etheric projection for RTZ projection... If that's an etheric projection, then what do you call it when you shift your consciousness into the etheric body and are "stuck to the physical?" I think both "sleep paralysis" and "RTZ projection" are types of etheric projections, yet they do not occur in the same subtle body.

As for calling the etheric projection an Astral Projection, I think it's fine -- what very few occultists mention is that the etheric and physical planes are actually part of the astral... I think when physics and occultism meet this will be clarified.

So basically... He thinks cars and objects are talking to him?

O.K. Back to the time and space thing.... I'd just like to start with Kiwibunga's opinions: You're right, the whole point of me writing my first post was to try not to limit myself to the whole linear time thinking but the idea of going back in time to rewrite history sounds a bit hollywood "quantum leap" (I know anything is possible) but it wouldn't explain the evil actions people take and we would all be living in a perfect world without any accidental deaths as people would just avoid getting into them situations.  ?

Well, we are on the plane of experience, not the plane of perfection -- it's pretty normal that we don't live in a perfect world. The idea is that when you choose to reincarnate and take on a new life, there is an initial decision about the type of life you will experience, the kinds of hardships you will face, etc. The hardships range from natural causes (natural disasters, famine, predators) to the unfortunate actions of other humans. At the root we are all innocent.

From the higher's self point of view, supposedly, life starts when you die and ends when you are born, you actually go through a selective process where you make the decisions one by one but going "backwards" in time rather than forward -- this does not mean that you actually know the future, though.

It can be confusing because there is always an infinity of possibilities the future holds, but the idea is that the closer you are to death, the smaller this infinite realm of possibilities is. It's a bit like going up a tree -- you start out at "death" which is the root of the tree, then you choose a branch (a possibility) to follow. Each branch splits into an infinity of other branches (possibilities), and you basically select a life path through this tree.

What was the name of the theory about lines? Someone mentioned it here once... Something about how each person's life is a "line" in reality and is completely variable. Each person gets to manipulate this line to their liking and then sees what happens. This affects the whole planet, and other people (other higher selves) take into account these modifications, and the final result (what we see as the past and present) is the sum of all modifications made by all the higher selves in response to each other's modifications.

It's pretty hard to make it concrete, but since we are our higher selves, we actually make these decisions on a subconscious level -- I'm not talking about the freudian subconscious that likes to play with poop, I'm talking about the unseen conscious mind that works behind the scenes. If you show strong intent to act upon this decision process while you are living, you will be in control of your "destiny."

All the world's problems and the hardships we face are the direct consequence of the initial situation -- we come into this world ignorant and innocent; perhaps it's for the best.

By conscious exit, I mean full-fledged OBE induction, i.e. you lie down, relax, visualize, and exit. It's likely that a small break in consciousness will occur while you are visualizing, but otherwise it is a continuous process.

An exit that isn't conscious would be for example when you wake up out of body in the middle of the night (this includes sleep paralysis and lucid dreams, where the etheric body is in a slightly expanded state and the consciousness is not focused in the physical), i.e. a spontaneous exit.

Though, there has been a debate on AD recently regarding people with this kind of problem (extremely advanced paranoia -- with or without an esoteric explanation).

OycheeKrapsoze should recognize that he has a problem with his perception of reality that is tormenting him greatly, as such he should start by treating the problem perhaps with the help of a psychologist, and then turn to more "out there" ways of resolving the problem if it persists and he has established that it was indeed a neg problem.

When you live with the same problem for many years, it has a tendency to echo, so a minor neg problem could have turned into something gigantic, but it could just as well be a lifestyle issue.

(If he is not trolling, he has a serious psychological problem that simple internet users are definitely not fit to diagnose or treat)

The idea is that, yes there is a possibility that you will sequentially reincarnate in the past. Where it gets tough is the famous "if you go back in time and kill your parents before you are born, will you cease to exist?" -- in other words, if today I decided to go back in time and change the course of history, would I come back to a different world?

My personal belief on this is that we are living in something that is "final," meaning that we are the result of the "natural" course of events, with the addition of every single time travel ever performed. As such, it's very possible that I went back in time during this life, warned myself of something subconsciously, and am now experiencing the result of the changes I have made, without actually knowing about the time travels that occured within my own consciousness.

If a certain course of events leads me in the future to tell myself "I should go back to [TIME X] and change this," I will not actually possess knowledge of the modification, since the whole sequence between [TIME X] and the moment I decided to go back in time will be rewritten.

As humans we limit ourselves to linear time-thinking, we are absolutely, 100% sure that the course of time cannot be altered, that time travel is crazy-talk, but everything about consciousness points to the contrary. I believe that manifesting and controlling your reality are entirely dependant on the nature of our consciousness -- not confined in time and space.

Now of course, I can't be sure that this is true, it's a bit of an outrageous claim, but the more I read, the more I am inclined to think that the aware human who is in control of his own destiny is in fact a time traveler, whether he retains memory of this or not.

Robert Monroe has had the chance to remember such an event, where he visited himself in the past and was able to solve the meaning of a mysterious OBE that had happened decades before. The reason he retained memory of it probably lies in the fact that he was aware and out of body both when he travelled back and when he was visited by himself.

So, basically, the idea that reincarnation happens timelessly and non-sequentially doesn't seem that mind boggling to me -- the bigger problem is that we lack solid data on what happens when our consciousness becomes capable of transcending space and time; anything's possible!

Interesting experiences! A lot of people have this "sixth sense" as kids but lose it over time...

I want to know, who are they? Can I ask them to help me? And how do I ask it? Do I use my physical body and talk with my voice, or do I use my mind and talk in my head?

You can try concentrating on them to see them better -- let yourself fall asleep, they probably know that you want their help, and if they are indeed here to help you, they will for sure.

A couple of days ago, I had this tinteling sensation over my whole body and I like really felt myself floating just above my body. But I only get to that... I'm having the troubles to get fully out of my body, How do I float higher in the air? And when will I know when it's the time to open my eyes?

You might want to try to go "deeper" (closer to sleep) ; if you are too awake, it won't be possible to project. You can float out by using simple willpower -- I recommend that you look around you and find a target (like a wall, or an imaginary object), grab it, and pull yourself out that way. As for the time you open your eyes, usually by the time you are out, you will see through your eyelids, so it shouldn't be a problem.

And I'll keep following this forum, maybe some of you have experienced something like I did with the accident, and maybe some of you could also give me some info what that 'feeling' is, and could I ever learn to control it??

It's called precognition, or clairsentience -- usually Astral Projection will enhance this ability automatically over time. You can also practice energy work to have better control over your subconscious mind and intuition.

Usually, people will feel impending danger whenever something bad is about to happen to them, but not everyone is sensitive to it. Since you seem to be sensitive to this, it should manifest itself in case of an emergency... If you are interested in predicting the future, look into: clairvoyant remote viewing, scientific remote viewing, and consulting the akashic records.

How do we do that in a timeless dimension though? I mean... The year 2156 is part of the now, just like the year 200 BC... We could attend that meeting tomorrow or in 150 years, it wouldn't make a difference :O

These products do truly work, but it's only because they are placebos... Most of the projection techniques you find in books are also very placebo-like -- auto-suggestion triggers the projection, the actual exit method is just there to occupy your conscious mind.

The question is -- should we keep on trying to find a "true" systematic projection method, or should we just keep on creating placebos, which have the highest success rate?

Yes, it is possible for etheric matter to cross over to the physical, but it is extremely rare and is very poorly documented (either it was judged that it could be misused, or it's very hard to achieve). It is also possible to "bilocate" ; meaning to be in two places at the same time, though I am not sure whether the nonphysical copy is a flesh-and-bone one or whether it has the properties of a hologram.

Look up: apports, ectoplasm, bilocation for more info

Guys, you'll never receive a response because they're just spamming some shady new age shop...

thenoob, what is your motive for suicide?

The trick with this is to play around with the dream images that pop up as you fall asleep -- it's very important to be in a rather drowsy state, otherwise the images will have trouble coming to you. After a couple days of using the program, you'll notice your ability to stay half-awake (in a state of light trance) will be greatly enhanced.

Continue to work on seeing things, work on making them vivid, learn to focus on the "imaginary image" rather than the darkness behind your eyelids.

Concentrating on the images seems to be the best way to deepen the state -- as you dwelve deeper into trance, the "dream landscape" will go from intangible flashes to full fledged lucid dreams. It will definitely not happen instantly, but if you stick to it, you are pretty much garanteed to have an unusual experience.

Once you are in a lucid dream, it's remarkably easy to have an OBE ; I've noticed that my dreams seem to occur a few feet above my bed, all I have to do is wish to see "reality" and I find myself in my room, in a state of sleep paralysis with heavy vibrations (that's how most of my ""spontaneous"" OBEs and that one conscious exit happened).

*bump*

I had a fun time doing this tonight as I fell asleep for a brief nap, I started seeing objects from my house randomly mixed with what I was seeing with my open eyes, I was in a pretty drowsy state with my eyes still half open, moving very slowly to avoid breaking the trance.

I saw this paper attached to my wall with thumbtacks and green writing on it, but as soon as I tried to focus harder into it, it disappeared... Instead of intensifying it, I tried to look with my physical eyes -- I'll have to get used to stop doing that

It's interesting, makes you wonder if these things are created on the spot or if there's stuff in the etheric counterpart of the room I can see, perhaps from previous or future tenants :O

Can you make a program for the pocket pc specifically for random awake times? I've been using a program called SPB which is good but I have to program the times.

Well unfortunately, I don't have a pocket PC... If I ever do get one, though, I'll be sure to make a program for it

- Though, I would take the approach of learning from the other dimensions through meditation and accessing that 'realm' from a meditative state, rather than an Astral State. Via this method, you would be more likely to remember what you have accessed and learned. Something along the lines of: Meditative State -> Access other Realm of Information \ Higher Self Knowledgebase -> Store directly and conciously into your memory. Maybe afterwards quickly write down as much as you can, and review post-meditation a few times to get it stuck in LTM. Though, i'm sure you're thinking "Yeah, but how to get into that state where you can access that knowledge?". Some people claim to be able to do it easily in deep meditation, some may not. I'd figure its all proportional to how spiritually aware and evolved you are, how much of your abilities you have unlocked, and most of all practice.

That's true -- the most detailed spirit communications are often those that come from seances, experiments where one person enters a state of trance and tells someone else what is happening as it happens. They let other entities talk through them, etc...

Though the problem of not remembering fades away with time, supposedly. After several years of conscious exits, there will be no breaks in consciousness throughout the experience, and memory as a whole will be much more efficient than that of an "unaware human."

The out of body experience is simply bringing awareness and control to otherwise normal processes that happen when we fall asleep. There's about a million topics about drugs here, so I do not feel it is necessary to provide a comprehensive explanation ; drugs artificially alter your mind and body and can produce unexpected effects. The practice of astral projection is generally viewed as safe, the use of drugs is not.

You know... Statistically speaking, getting one or two numbers is nothing exceptional... Try getting 3 in one shot!

Your kidding right?
Our beliefs have nearly gotten every one of us killed in history. we have been hunted and murdered and torched for so long thats why im surprised you would say that. They are not just dreams and theres a lot more to this than dreaming friend. Do you think over half the worlds religous beliefs being based on dreams (including parts of the christian bible) was just for show?

What I meant is that it never crossed my mind that we, specifically, could be in danger because of paranoid alien-phobia. Yes, I'm aware of what martyrs and crusades are, but this guy's motives would not be religion related. Rather, his paranoia is the product of all these dumb conspiracy theories about how the lizard people control the world. But don't worry, if your pinky bends you're probably safe.

As for dreams and visions... Isn't it a big mistake to blindly put faith in them? Being murdered or raped by a deranged stalker is probably the most common nightmare for females. I'm open for anything, but I don't see any evidence of a prophetic vision here... This is not to discredit Leyla, but rather to reassure her that she probably won't get murdered by an alien hunter...

That's kind of weird and scary at the same time... I never thought of that -- that our beliefs or practices could put us in danger...

Then again hmm... Remember they are just dreams -- not that prophetic dreams don't exist, but remember that they are also a manifestation of your worries, or they could be symbolic...