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i would take a guess that the claim being made by mysticweb.org is a defamation of character one. If this is the case and according to the high court of austrailia where i believe both myticweb and astralpulse work out of,  the moderator or administrator of the forum can be sued for allowing the defamation of character to be viewed publically. If you do a search on a topic in the forums at astralpulse in google you will find that the forums are public.

Currently free speech isnt exactally freespeech but involves a legal balance between information that is exchanged for or against an individual's interest in protecting his/her reputation against slander. Slander is a report about someone that is not true and causes some kind of harm or damage to the person's reputation. I can see how mystiweb would be able to conjure up a prosecution showing damage to reputation based on what was said in the forums, but i do not see how they can prove that what was said is false. It takes more than just damage to reputation to win a defamation of character lawsuit, you have to be able to prove that the slander is not true otherwise it is not slander, and you end up getting a washed out case. This proving the truth of the slander part of the equation would be VERY hard for the prosecution(mysticweb) to take advantage of and VERY easy for the defence(astralpulse) to benefit from. On the flip side of the coin it would aslo be hard for astralpulse to prove that the slander is true.
So in the end we have a case in which the prosecutors cant prove the slander is false, and a defence that cant prove the slander is true.

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Originally posted by shadowatcher

It never mentions actuall OBEs or AP, just techniques to get to an enlightened position. It tells you should sit on the ground, and has some interesting theories on Chakra devolopement. It also has aura hiding techniques, and several ways of manipulating your energy for personul uses. Its very interesting.
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ive read all of morris's books. He does describe an astral experience he had once in which he didnt have a very good experience and kind of discourages ap because of it.

In his experience he described being blown by the wind(Wind has always gone through me in the RTZ), and then describes fighting off a neg that was trying to rush into his body while he was away(techniquly impossible since we are not really way from our bodies when we project).

Ive also known others who have taken his courses, the fire walk in particular and have gotten serious second degree burns on thier feet because of it. I dont think that is supposed to happen.

quote:Originally posted by Graupel

When the vibrations build, is it unusual to hear animal screams (a sugar glider from austrailia, to be specific)

Its pretty normal to hear some kind of strange noise when the vibrations build. I mostly hear a roaring jet engine noise, or some times a loud bang in the house, and more rarely an explosion.

As far as i know Lucid dreams and Real Time Zone(RTZ) projection are not the same, and physiologically cannot be the same. Lucid dreams mostly occur during REM. The first stage of REM happens 70-90 minutes after the onset of sleep. The fastest ive clocked myself having a RTZ projection from the moment i layed down in bed was within 10 minutes which shows that it could not have been a lucid dream. For me the split takes place sometime during the hypnogognic state.

There are other environmental differences as well. While lucid dreaming my body is exactally like my physical body, if i look at my hands they look solid and normal. In RTZ my body fades away after i look at it and my hands which are a vibrant blue color not skin color. Mind you, these are repeatable, consistant traits that are not effected by expectation. At no point did i expect my hands to be blue, or red or green or whatever, its just the color of my body.

With lucid dreams the dreamscape is different than with RTZ projection. Upon examining something like a wall while in RTZ you might see that it is made up of tiny little star like particles, while in a lucid dream the structure of a wall seems just as real as the physical. It maybe that lucid dreams are created by our imagination and the basis of what is created by our imagination is taken from what we already know via our physical experience of reality which is then copied in the lucid dream. Unlike lucid dream's environment, RTZ seems to be somewhat separate from this idea of being an imagined copy of our physical environment otherwise we would percieve it the same way the lucid dream environment.

quote:Originally posted by Klaus S

There is an ever on-going debate regarding the true nature of OBEs. Are they "only" special variants of lucid dreams and not what they seem to be? My own "OBEs" seem to be a lucid dream-variant anyway.
Lucid dreams obviously (?) are dependent upon brain functions, but are OBEs?
One thing that would be interesting to know is whether various psychotropic drugs given to the body during presumed OB-activity would affect the OBE.

If drugs were shown to affect OBEs in various ways, it would prove a link between the brain and the "entity" that supposedly leaves the body during an OBE. It would indicate that OBEs are lucid dreams.

BUT...There is one big problem here: Psychotropic drugs affecting the brain most likely would affect the brain's ability to store memories of OBEs. Any reports of OBEs in a laboratory would have to rely upon such memories, possibly distorted by drugs (one cannot speak in "real-time" during an OBE). Thus, any conclusions would be hard to make...

Anyway, it would be interesting with more research, biophysiological and otherwise, comparing lucid dreaming with OBEs.

Klaus S

quote:Originally posted by kibeginnersnightmare

if its real how do you do it somebody help.

The Earth other planets for sure are things i know of that can levitate. Maybe you can look thre for some answers. With technology it would probably take some kind of magnet.
Could be that it is just not possible inside of the Earths gravitational pull, otherwise we would see some other animals floating around. Is there anything in nature that can levitate?

quote:Originally posted by Birm

They all are living in a material world...

BTW: Michael_E are you talking about Hodja Nasreddin in your signature??? []

yes, i believe that hodja nasreddin and mulla nasrudin are the same, but i dont know why there is two different names for the same person. Myabe Hodja Nasreddin is the turkish equivalent?

quote:Originally posted by shadowatcher

It will never come...will it. Not until a group (us) of people who can travel in the astral plane get together a group of scientific types, and conduct an official-ish experiment. What Im suggesting is lasting proof of OBEs and their impact on society. When Ive asked this of people before, they explained what a mockery it would make of the entire point of Aping. I know this is many peoples opion, but when you say that to someone who has never APed, it sounds like an excuse not to prove the truth in APing. I think an expirement like this one is necessary for the OBE community. Any thoughts?

Hello shadowatcher,

The group of astral travelers getting together to prove astral experiences to scientists has been done already and is still being done as we speak.
The military sponsers things like this, i think it is a shame that the only time leaders take interest in such a thing is if they think that it will be of some military use. Maybe all of society isnt ready to learn to have astral experiences...?