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Just ordinary planets, I'm sure. Maybe there's a lot of action going on out there, and groups only stop by the inner planets for resources or something. The outer solar system seemed active when I saw it.

If I am some kind of interstellar officer, it isn't doing me much good and I'm not all that gifted, but it would be nice to know.

There's another thing I wanted to find out. In a trance state once, I saw Earth in its very early days - lifeless - and then there was this female spirit who appeared over the atmosphere and did something to Earth's fields. It somehow made the planet inhabitable for plants. Like some kind of field adjustment can cause life to form on a planet over time - I guess the ambient modulations can create DNA. She seemed to act independently and on her own will - no accompanying crafts or anything. And something about her just blew my circuits. I couldn't pick up any impure intentions from her. Nothing at all. She wasn't one of those evil creators we read about in the religious texts.

Incidentally, the earliest records of gods or great spirits (drawn by cave dwellers) cited an independent female Earth spirit. No sign of our current male tyrant gods until later.

I figured, if anyone could solve Earth's crisis, surely it was this spirit

I tried to contact her, and I seemed to have gotten her, although she didn't act like the pure spirit I remembered. We were together in a dimly lit, blue room. All she did was look at a holograph of Earth and say "Looks like you've been causing trouble." When she said 'you' she meant humanity. So, this was either a nasty spirit posing as her, or perhaps I was right in assuming everything in the universe has a rotten side to it. The trance was very short and I didn't have any luck contacting her since

There was one brief trance where I think I heard her name. It was Duplana. I looked up the name and noticed it's also the name of a plant

It hit me that these apparently-fraudulent aliens asked who helped with your machine, so they can track him down and possibly get rid of him

might want to keep this information away from strangers from now on

I continue to see more and more of outer space. All sorts of 3d visuals and graphs, galaxy formations, up-close visuals of stars and the layers within them. I'm more convinced that I keep accessing a system with all this information

I figure, it only makes sense that there are planets and planetoids in the Solar System that are not commonly known. Probably a lot of Planet X's. It doesn't interest me as much anymore. Although it would be nice to know if I'm part of some space-army

I wasn't talking about what most people know

I used to do that over the internet, in fact. Some friends and I did a lot of experiments with telepathy and the like. The most successful experiments were the ones where I'd focus energy on a body part and they would (always) know which body part it was

I was thinking about those humanoids some more. It seemed pretty dang odd that beings throughout an entire galaxy would all decide to be cyborgs. And from what I understand, the smarter civilizations have no need for cybernetic body parts as they can simply adjust their genetics or transcend physical form altogether. I think these guys were bad liars

There's this thread which I think didn't received enough attention http://www.astralpulse.com/forums/welcome_to_psychic_and_paranormal/crop_circles-t28510.0.html;prev_next=next - it casts some light on the seemingly-innocent messages and prophecies we get

Oh and Kurt - I found someone who talks about memories kept in crystals http://almanegra.deviantart.com/art/Crystal-Backup-149721946 - he wrote something which appears to be fiction, but when I asked him, he said it's true

"They could not see me, but there were human bodies perfect naked, rubbing against each other in front of mirrors made of glass streaked like quartz or other crystal stone. When I looked at the glass started to see images flowing in, and shortly after, I could sense that something of me left in the object. I felt something behind me, like when a sixth sense tells you that someone is watching you from behind and I turned in alarm. Behind me was an elderly Native American who was smiling at me holding a huge quartz of several heads in one of his hands at his chest. He pointed to the mirror behind me with a nod of his head as if to say he understood what I had experienced and I told him what I had perceived. We talked a long time, but mainly he spoke. He explained that memories can be stored in objects, like mnemonic system, especially in the crystals, and showed me several simple ways to do it. I forgot the time while we talked until I was late and we had to go both hoping to meet again someday. In all that time none of the people in the group of naked bodies cavorting said to have perceived our presence. They probably never knew we were there."

I guess he didn't think anyone would believe it, but it struck a note with me. I asked him what the natives did to store memories in crystals, but he couldn't seem to explain it - at least not in English

Anyone here speak Spanish?

In a galaxy like ours, it's usually safer to say an object is there to destroy something than protect something

I also have to wonder about the motives behind these 'warnings'. Has anyone here tried the program Celestia? It will give you an idea of how incredibly small we are in this galaxy - how many stars and planets are all around us. Why someone in a neighboring galaxy would know or care that a little planet 1/3 the size of a hurricane on Jupiter is about to be 'changed' by a bigger stray planet, is very puzzling.

But I don't take Kurt for a liar (in fact we were talking in a PM about telepathic contacts), and I've seen an awful lot of these warnings being told to different people, always by condescending humanoids who don't show any emotions and seem totally unconcerned with the well-being of lowly humans, yet are willing to go out of their way to send a warning about some cosmic event which we have no control of. They take lots of different appearances and say they come from lots of different places, but all have the exact same personality. And of course that personality is similar to a Draconian or Zetan.

And of course the conversation is cut short before they can explain what the 'change' is

I get the feeling they're going to show up around 2012 and tell everyone "Quick! Get onto our ships before the disaster happens and we'll fly you to safety!" and off you go to an interstellar slave-trade

ahaha, inter-dimensional beings show up on Earth, get laughed at, leave

Life on a planet is part of the planet. Pretty simple

yep, I've seen two accounts of it happening

Guide? You can call your desk a guide if you wanted, but a ball of light?

When you turned on the light, it probably lowered your light sensitivity so you couldn't see the orb after that. It seems to me that the orb followed you home after your astral trip, and later did something to your mind that caused the psychedelic visuals. Seems pretty harmless. It's rare but I've seen a few instanced where entities have toyed with people's minds while they're awake

True and false does not regard whether someone has proven something to you

Doesn't seem that way to me - if she's blocking you from projecting. If when you say 'negative energy' you mean 'a bad feeling' - a predator can give you whatever feeling they want.

You can call anyone a guide. This new lady seems to be stopping you from projecting, which sounds like something a predator would do

[edit] that answers that

nifty, isn't it? Like a big petri dish

I just noticed what mcdwg said about Bruce Moen and the 'probes'. This is interesting because I once went into a trance and tried to find my origins as a spirit. I got this image of deep space, where some wand-like object was sending out some kind of orbs all over space. It lasted about half a second and didn't make much sense in visual form, but it seemed to imply that I (or at least someone) was sent from the cosmos for some purpose.

I've gotten some conflicted data about my origins, so I don't know what to think yet.

I think the appeal of sending spirits as 'probes' is speed. Where a physical probe could take hundreds to thousands of years to traverse star systems, a spirit can take the astral and get here in a short time (given they have a vortex set up), so a lot of factions will send low-rank spirits as probes. Emphasis on 'low-rank' - even if you're from a galactic culture, they still probably see you as a runt

It's important to note that this is also a conquest method. A faction sometimes studies prospective slave races by planting spirits among them, or gradually removes spirits from a civilization and inserts their own. Sometimes multiple factions fight over who can psychically inhabit a planet, as we see on Earth

[voluntarely]

It doesn't fit in with the rest of his books, which see Earth as a compressed-learning system - supposedly, one which you voluntarely chose to take part on and use as a school to help you on your path of evolution).

I've heard that our area of the galaxy is considered a 'nursery' for younger cultures that are planted here by more 'adult' cultures that live further away (more than 50,000 light-years or so). But it's clear that these 'parent' civilizations are very negligent (if not outright malevolent). Many are fighting each other right now, and most consider us either a burden or a resource, depending on their standpoint and our progress - but almost none consider us important. We're ants to them

They send out seeders that create new gene patterns in this nursery area, and place experimental species on planets here and there, then they leave. The new creature is left to fend for itself and evolve with no interference from above. Every few million years, the parent culture checks back (this is partly due to the relatively slow space crafts in our galaxy) and they take specimens and do tests to check the species' progress.

Different cultures do this differently, of course, but this is the standard method as far as I've seen. Some are more empathic and caring, but that's rare to come by. The Milky Way is a very conflicted place right now (I think because it's made of two galaxies that recently collided, and neither inhabitants seem to like each other)

Anyway the reason for planting cultures: Some do it because they like to see life spread throughout the stars, others do it for exploitative purposes. Guess which one we came from. The less empathic parent cultures plant new, younger cultures for reasons such as testing new gene patterns - where they put you in extreme conditions to see how well your genes hold up for millions of years, then they can adapt the working genes into their own gene pool. Other times, like Monroe points out, it's for farming purposes. If the child culture begins to want independence - or if they appear to be advancing too quickly to control - they're often wiped out. Just quick and easy genocide - it's not uncommon. Other times, smaller massacres are carried out, like a well-placed natural disaster that wipes out a defiant sect of the young culture, or governmental/religious restrictions can be placed on them.

In the case of 'loosh farming', I think Monroe says we were altered to produce more loosh, not created from scratch. (it would explain why moments of both joy and rage are quickly ended, leaving everyone in a stupor) A lot of galactic predators would rather alter an existing species for exploitation than make one from scratch.

As for humanity's actual origins, it's more complicated than a quick creation or just evolving out of apes. I could go into it but it's a bit of a tangent

I'm starting to see why Jesus got annoyed when people feared the government, thinking they needed - or deserved - to be saved from it.

Pardon the tangent, but I was reading a channeling the other day, in which someone spoke to a galactic entity who didn't identify himself. While talking about the state of Earth, he passingly mentioned that there are people on other planets who could control the weather around them. Not because they have any special technology, but because "they understand that it is their birthright to do so."

He said humanity is no different. "Was it your thinking that you are insignificant to the state of your world?"

It reminded me of Jesus calming the weather the way he did, simply commanding it. People asked him how he did it, and he seemed puzzled. Why couldn't they? Was it their thinking that they were insignificant to the state of their world? Did they believe they were victims of some uncontrollable force?

I personally find that when people want to be saved from a government or a purportedly invincible force, usually, it's just their way of affirming that the state of this world is not their fault - that they are sheep controlled by some abstract force that cannot be defeated, and are therefore blameless.


Anyway, dimensions:
Dimensions of perception don't have numbers (no 4th or 5th or 6th) like mathematical dimensions. The two are different concepts. The sort of dimensions you enter from the astral are something quite a bit more complex. They're a concept that is rather alien to us and I've spent a while trying to understand them. (and I'm still trying)

I should write an article but I'll try to sum this up real quick. Neurologists and psychologists are noticing how we create a virtual world in our minds. We take sensory data, compile it into a coherent model, then compare it with previous information, and pretty much deduce what our surroundings look like. So the room you believe you're inside is actually an interpretation inside your mind, not outside. Everything that appears external is actually internal.

Here's where I think dimensions come in. If the room is just an interpretation, then what is it interpreted from? It has to be based on something real. You assume it's actually made of atoms, and atoms are objective things, but physicists notice how an atom can teleport through another atom, it can appear in two places at once, a particle can be a wave one moment and an object the next, and time can be bent around. It's becoming clear that atoms and quarks and strings - space itself - is subjective. It's interpreted from deeper, spaceless data.

So what is interpreting the atoms?

Seems like an odd question, but why do we all see atoms equally, if their very existence is an interpretation? We have no system in our brains that interprets the existence of space out of spaceless data; we only have systems that interpret objects out of space. So why do we all see atoms equally?

It seems to me, there is some deeper system of awareness translating spaceless data into particles for us, and communicating it to our minds, placing us all in the same simulation.

My thinking is, the dimensions you see in the astral (and while asleep) are like 'programs' setup to interpret universal data into a form that you can understand. Waking life is just one program. This would mean the walls around you are a set of concepts translated into physical atoms, translated by your mind into objects. Once you lose touch with the program, the walls cease to exist in solid form

I say this all the time - if there was a short cut, it would have been found and we would all be using it. But the fact is, stoners are not in the majority of advanced AP'ers.

Usually when you say "if it were true, we would know it", someone knows it and you don't

I don't know what's more disturbing: That people are letting a movie dictate their feelings or that there are support groups for movies that depress.

Movies don't depress people on their own - they bring out already-present emotions. If you're unable to feel these things, that's something worse than depression.

Population control is a pretty common method because it's more efficient than trying to reason with a dumb animal. For comparison: If an infestation of roaches gets into your house, you don't sit down and try to reason with them. You get out the bug spray and wipe them out.

yep, it's done to humans too. If people make it okay to do it to animals, someone will make it okay to do it to them

you say we can solve certain problems by controlling genes.

I'll only repeat this one time, and if you still don't get it, I'll just stop arguing and make fun of you. You're already controlling genes and there's nothing you can do to prevent that because you're aware of what your breeding habits create, and right now it is an abomination. To harmonize under abominable behavior means more people will suffer until the problematic genes are wiped out.

And it doesn't concern me whether you want to change these habits. I'm just saying that people who act like animals will be treated like them

I guess 'bad' could mean anything. To disambiguate: I say 'bad' as in decrepit, wasteful, and abominable in respect to the species that's being created out of a once-respectable humanity. Your view of what's bad may be different.

You fear gene control because you're already controlling your genes, and doing a terrible job of it. You're perfectly aware of how your kids will turn out and the impact your breeding habits will have on future generations. So when you hear about a change in this system, you imagine it somehow getting worse than what you've already created, and that understandably scares the hell out of you

I think population control has always been in action, if not from humans then from off-world predators as ancient writings record.

From the killer's point of view, they're creating a new world through exclusion. One can control the way society thinks and functions by eliminating people who don't function the way they want.  For example, if 30% of the population approves of your agenda, but 70% disapproves, you can kill half the people who disapprove, and now suddenly you have an approval rating of 65%, and you didn't have to convince anyone.
Society is now leaning in your favor, being open to your authority, disliking your enemies more.

If 90% of the population thinks the world is round, you can kill that 90% and suddenly the entire population thinks the world is flat.

The great thing is, nobody has to know your agenda - they don't even have to know you exist. That's why interstellar organizations do things this way. They watch primitive civilizations, and if the civilization begins to behave in a way the organization dislikes, they induce a flood or a volcano in places where a high concentration of people thinks that way, and now that society is leaning in their favor.

Anyway anyway, my take on the population: People are simply breeding in malevolent ways, spreading bad genes, leading to massive disorder and disease. I actually think humanity can get out of this rut by paying attention to who is breeding, when, and whether we have the resources to accompany more people