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The best search results happen when you do it the second time.

I was just teasing with a dash or seriousness thrown in there for good measure.

Anyhoo, things change, members come and go so there's nothing wrong with asking the same old question if you're interested in what the current members think and not the junior high kids that ruled this forum 8-9 years ago.

Personally, I would delete all those old threads that were talking about dragon ball z silliness. Utter nonsense.

Personally, I would discount the validity of any drug induced OOBE that I have but that's just my own standard.

My opinion is that hallucinogens just dim or turn off the part of our brain that "grounds" us in this physical reality. What that means is that I believe that drugs are not actually producing hallucinations so much as they are just allowing you to experience two realities at once which can scare the crap out of many or just confuse the heck out of most.

A great OOBE is when you have your complete awareness and have the ability to know what is happening as well as the control to end it when needed. Drugs put you in for the long ride and deny the user full control as well as ending the experience until the effects wear off.

If you're an adult, then I say do what you please. If your a youngster, then I must ask what the heck are you thinking.

I believe that some people can have an "eye opening" experience from certain drugs that make them aware of the wider reality but it would be far from positive if the person continues to rely on them for the experience.

There are certain herbs and supplements, which are just euphemisms for the word drug, that many people have reported to be extremely helpful.

I do not know the name of any of them offhand but a simple search on and offsite should reveal many of them.

Ayahausca is in a category that I put in there with peyote and a few other hallucinogens that have been very important to the religious practices of certain indigenous tribes around the world. I think the weirdest one that I have heard about is a tribe in the Amazon that lick the backs of a certain tree frog and get an intense trip. I would never demean these practices as I understand the importance of the role that these drugs have in their cultures. Of course, they are always taken under the supervision of a shaman or a  medicine man.

Ayahausca is actually becoming a big business for some tribes that cater to the loco gringos that want to have a trip of a lifetime. As far as I know, there have been a few reported deaths but these were all due to extreme dehydration that the constant puking caused and represented a very low risk statistically speaking.

It's on my bucket list. I think I can handle the journey very well as I have been having frequent OOBE for over 13 years now but I understand that the difference is still immense. I am only referring to the mental aspect as far as me being able to handle it and not the physical. I'm sure I would be a puker.

Everyone must make their own decisions but I fair comfortable in saying that drug use for any reason is discouraged as a general policy of the pulse but it is not looked down on.

I know the search results usually suck but did you even try on this?

Come on, one time, try it.

To be successful with AP, you must learn to "Trust". Some of the famous Authors on AP, tell their readers that you must have an attitude that if I don't return so be it.

That is showing the ultimate "Trust" and confidence in what you are doing.

Robert Peterson said it best in regards to conquering any fear. He says that you have to consider the worst consequences and decide if you can live (or die) with that. If you can handle that, then continue.

That was good and it certainly didn't seem outdated.

I feel for those people that just can't grasp the mechanism behind SP. I have been "attacked" by everything mentioned in the doc and some (except for the ghost raper).

The most terrifying episode I had actually made me repent and beg for Jesus to forgive me as a demon was laughing at me while slashing at me with it's claws. It was sitting on my chest and laughing at me for being such a fool.

When I realized that I wasn't feeling the slashes, I knew I was in SP and started laughing. I think it took about 30 seconds for me to relax and fall back asleep.

SP can be a real mofo.

The short answer is yes, anyone can AP. Not only that, I believe that most people have but just don't remember it or relegated it to the regular dream file.

There are several theories that explain why we can't remember our dreams or AP like we do physical memories. One theory involves evolution. If someone has a dream that they can be bitten by a cobra on a full moon and not die and they then recall that as an actual fact, chances are if they encounter a cobra on a full moon, they won't live to pass on their genes. It's a stretch, I know, but it's plausible.

Another theory is that we are purposely blocked from remembering some of these experiences because we are supposed to learn these lessons in the physical.

Sorry about the rambling there.

I would have to say that the best attribute that someone can have in order to AP is to have an open mind. That goes hand and hand with what Szaxx says about knowledge because the more knowledge one has, the more they know to keep an open mind.

Vogerle nailed it.

Instead of having someone tell you what they see, use a hypnotherapist and tell them what you see.

I can recall five of my supposed past lives during my OOBE and one was nonhuman. I'm not sure if a medium would even pick up on that.

There are too many lessons to learn and life is too short to learn them all in one go and through one perspective. There are several cases that involve young children that are well documented with proof. The only possibility of deception is with the parents but in the cases that I am referring to, they seem sincere enough.

If your experience was truly painful and not just extremely uncomfortable then I would keep trying. If it really was painful then I'm not sure If I personally would continue.

I believe that anybody can AP but I don't believe that it's for everyone for different reasons.

Good luck.

When we are attempting to phase or project we will here all sort of funny things like our own names, weird noises and names, bells ringing, and other auditory hallucinations.

If you hear these things while wide awake taking care of everyday business then that's the NPR just letting you know that they are aware of you too now.

Oh ok so she is present in her dream but her dream characters reflect her thoughts?

Yes but this is often the number one indicator that the characters in out experiences are just manifestations from us. Independent beings don't usually do this, Unless they are just playing with you.

So your saying that your dream consciousness is spread over your dream characters? Your not actually in the dream? Sorry I'm finding it hard make sense of what your saying

I think what astralee is saying is that when dreaming, her dream characters say what she is thinking, she/he then becomes aware in the dream.

Sounds interesting. I'll give it a listen later tonight.

So far as I can tell, there are some some people out there that are doing some pretty amazing things. This single common denominator for most is that they are able to explore different states of consciousness.

In my 13 plus years of AP, I have seen some amazing things myself. I just have never tried to do any thing intentionally as I don't personally have a desire to learn some of the skills. However, this doesn't prevent the occasional "power" from presenting itself to me from time to time.

To me, it is just one of those things that come with the territory. Anyone who takes the time to explore altered states of consciousness with have to deal with one of these phenomenon at some point.

Just to be clear, I do not make any such claim to have any supernatural ability, only that I have personally experienced several over the years and I can't deny they were indeed real, at least for me.

I've always wondered if it was possible to AP on command with out any preparation such as mediation. I will no doubt give this a listen when I have the time.

Well, I think the answer is yes, some people can. However they have spent many years meditating in order to develop this ability. So to say that they can do it without meditating is incorrect. They may not need to meditate at the specific time that they do project, but this ability would simply not be possible without first meditating for years.

I always say that everything is just a thought away in the astral but I think our intent behind the thought is more important. Otherwise, every experience would be a sliced and diced mosaic.

Instead of thinking "take me to the beach" think "I am at the beach" and know that it will happen. Don't expect it to happen, know that it will. Your results should be much better next time.

When you started wondering whether or not you were actually going to the beach, you lost control and awareness goes with it.

There are no guarantees but this should help.

Good luck.

Sounds like you got this. 

This gives two good hypothesis as to why we have these leg jerks.

http://indianapublicmedia.org/amomentofscience/hypnic-jerks/

The leg jerk is a very common occurrence for many people when they enter SP consciously aware. So I'm positive you were in SP.

I hate the leg jerk because it ruins about 20% of my attempts.

Hi there and welcome.

I'm not quite sure what you are asking?

Are you implying that by projecting, we are risking an uncontrolled change in our personality or identity of self?

Please explain a little further as I find this interesting but I don't really have enough to go by as to what you are specifically asking.

Anyways, glad to see you here and please introduce yourself in the members introduction's forum if you would like.

http://www.unlimitedboundaries.ca/2012/07/22/labeling-experiences-of-the-non-physical/ 

Why isn't this a sticky here?

I just can't wrap my head around the concept.

Can't you reach AP through LD?

Yes, you can project from a dream.

Let's just say that dreams take place in the astral. So if you become aware that you are dreaming, you are already in the astral and it's just a matter of where you want to go or what you want to do. That's why we say that everybody projects whether they realize it or not.

Most people don't like to think of AP or OOBE as a dream because they think it diminishes the spirituality or importance of the experience. I think most people just define what a dream is in the wrong way.

You still have to gain your full awareness or the experience will feel much like a normal dream and the "danger" that you will slip back into your regular dream state is always present as well.

Instead of using the word astral, I prefer non physical reality like Tom C. uses.

Keep exploring and keep asking.

Just curious... what is up with the poll with one option, lol?

On topic, how do you know you are under attack? Did others tell you they were attacking you? If not, how did you come to the conclusion that this is what must be happening?

You're clearly just dodging the poll question. Is it even a question?

I know it starts with "how" but it reads more like he's about to tell us how he is defending himself. I choose to believe that he accidentally started the poll because that would make me feel better.

Thanks guys  

I will search, but if unsatisfied I will ask  

Always ask. To be honest, I am usually disappointed with the search results on any forum.

To me, "AP" and "OOBE" describe indentical situations. "LD"  is probably the same situation too, but with a few small differences.

Lucid Dreams happen when you gain full or near full waking consciousness from a normal dream-state; the sorts of experiences people tend to have, myself included, are generally more "narritive" based in LD's; what I mean by this is that they tend to have a storyline, like a live-action film you are participating in. Ultimately, projections can get narritives too if you get really focused, but for me projections tend to be more "free-form", with a chance of narritive elements, and lucid dreams tend to be almost entirely narritive, with some chance of departure.

I agree, LD is different until one gains their full waking awareness and can stop the narrative, then it becomes the same.

Szaxx made an excellent point but I have some time so I will share my personal opinion.

AP, LD and OBE are the same exact experiences.

Different people are more comfortable using different terms.

I hope my lengthy description didn't muddy the waters too much.

BTW, I like your avatar too.

It was between this and the next would-be experience that I decided to return, because I could feel my dry, sore throat rasping with every breath. Plus, I think my eyelids open somewhat when this happens, because sometimes I can feel my eye getting dry in my body, even when I'm out doing stuff (dual location maybe?)

While you were "out of body", did you still feel sick?

Also, I just wanted to point out that this is yet another example of someone being sick and finding it so much easier to project.

I'm not sure why this would be so but my partial theory is that when someone feels crappy, they put a lot of intent behind their wish to be anywhere but where they actually are.

It's still a cool message and I'm sure granny could be exploited for worse things.

That's a good eye there Beedeekin, even for a guy who makes a living doing such things.

And in regards to Szaxx, he's been projecting for so long now that when he started, there was no physical reality.