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Ap Friends,


Here's something for us to talk about and debate...

http://www.medicalnewstoday.com/medicalnews.php?newsid=64578

Tvos

abu-usaama,

I welcome you to visit my web site based on my twenty year research from a scientific, religious, and spiritual overview of my experiences. I'm indeed fluent with projecting and have been since 1987.

Just recently, I finished up studying the NIV Bible as I've always wanted to understand. My next study will probably be Islam and to educate myself about Mohammad and Allah. But from my findings and experience is that "no religion" is any better than the one that person seeks, has faith, belief, loving, caring, along with 'helping' the world.

We can sit here all day in debate about religious, self truth, enlightment, but it won't get us anywhere. Where we need to start is coming together and finding the cure for the poisons of the world.

Anyways, I'm rambling... here's my web site for your review. You can also query my posts from the past to research my posts here and on the net.

Take care,

Tvos

www.invisiblelight.us

Stookie,

I know what you mean - I've was raised in United Methodist Church and I tapped the sermons back in the day on the primative cassette recorder. Although, the sound wasn't bad but it wasn't the greatist either.

Anyways, define satanic states.... Abu is way off on this one.

Tvos

abu-usaama,

I appreciate and respect your beliefs, but however first hand experience of thousands obe's, research, study of many beliefs/religions, nde's (personally) proven otherwise for me.

I feel the more you project, educate yourself to what I explained you will start to see a bigger and wider picture. Not that it will move you away from your beliefs, but to open you to others, share, and experience. Not just on a physical level either.

The one thing that I found with these recordings was the poor quality. It would have been nice to hear a cleaner recording. If it was actual angels singing, than I honestly doubt it was satanic.

Your thoughts are welcome'd.

Tvos

abu-usaama,


hmmm.. funny you should say that, especially when this occurred during a church service.. it seems that anything that is labeled paranormal is satanic.

can i ask you if you've ever read the NIV bible, or had a full wide awake obe?

tvos

Ap Friends,

Thought you might like this.

http://www.choicesforliving.com/spirit/angels/angels.htm

Tvos

Ap Friends,

Just thought of something that came across in a projection earlier this morning. Didn't really give it much thought but in the experience, I looked at the wall which I could see my shadow cast from my spiritual astral body. I looked back a couple of times to verify indeed this was my shadow and it was. Also, the shape, size remained static.

Anyone ever come across this?

Tvos

no.... not at all..

just this morning I projected three times and was at good ole mom/dads house..

normally, this is where my obe's start and then i adventure outward.

tvos

i always visit my childhood home.. it's a ritual for the last 20yrs.. normally, is my starting point.

tvos

Yes, I've seen the birth of christ..

http://www.astralpulse.com/forums/welcome_to_astral_experiences/the_birth_of_christ-t19859.0.html;msg170551#msg170551

tvos

hope they don't whind up on forenscic files..

tvos

Doug,

Here's the email I sent you - sorry I didn't see this..

It's a hit or miss with projecting and I've found out thru trial and error days, hours, month, year can affect the experience. If you've not visited my web site yet, I suggest you look at the stats tracking log I setup. Review this log and see how they compare with the months from each year. There are so many factor to projecting and I honestly don't see food as a issue. You need to be thinking about projecting 24/7 and passionately wanting it. Working extremely hard, having faith, along with patience is the key. Energy is a big factor as well – like finals, you will be thinking of studying and not focusing on projecting as much.

The alarm clock method is used to screw up your sleep pattern and fooling your body, awareness that you are up, but actuality asleep. I strongly suggest that you set the alarm clock and have it go off at random times throughout the night for the best results. You also probably want to do this on the weekends where you need not to be accountable for work, school, driving, etc..

When you dream and you can recognize that you are dreaming, you are actually out of the body already. Its breaking that dream bubble and holding your awareness and not allowing it to shift back to the dream.

Hope this helps and good luck!

Stookie,

I agree with you about most religions and that obe's are not being widely openly accepted. For the last 5 months now, I've been reading the bible from Gen to Acts, still have the last remaining OT chapters to finish. To my surprize, how dreams, trance, experiences of a spiritual nature are written in the book. It baffles me how that modern world won't accept "average people like you and I" as a possible "witness" to these past biblical events.

The biggest flaw that I see is that the world considers "back in day" that these experiences can only happen to the prophets, moses, jacob etc. If they were made of blood and flesh, they are just like ordinarly people like you and me.

I did vote for christianity because that is what I'm naturally comfortable with. But open and spirtually advanced through trial and error.

The one biblical verse I like is:

For though I am absent from you in body, I am present with you in spirit and delight to see how orderly you are and how firm your faith in Christ is.

Interesting verse - to be absent from the body is to be present with God and to follow Christ.


Tvos

[Date: 05-01-2007Time: 09:30 AM – 09:56 AMSubject: Because I Love YouAuthor: David A. Warner© Copyright 2007www.invisiblelight.us]

Date: 05-01-2007
Time: 09:30 AM – 09:56 AM
Subject: Because I Love You

Author:  David A. Warner
© Copyright 2007
www.invisiblelight.us


OBE Journal


Another validation for the records that I didn't realize what would occur after the obe. Later that day it all made sense and aligned.

In a nutshell, projected and found myself by my mom/dads neighborhood. I was communicating with this man who was a father to this boy. Both father and son I picked up in my arms, taking flight for a mile then landing them safely to the ground. During our flight, I explained to the father that your relationship with the x-wife has to be professional and emotions set aside. For this is affecting your child of the battle between emotions of mom & dad.

From my flight, I was using this as a catalyst to open the eyes of this father that I speak the truth. I also told the father that we can travel time, past, present, future, the universe and into the spiritual realms. I also said to the father that "I could completely destroy you, but I would never because I love you".

I left the father to think about what I had said and returned back to flight with two other people at my side. I expressed my joy in helping the father with the two people who were with me in flight. I lost my consciousness returning back to the body immediately narrating the journal.

Later in the evening, (12hrs later) a co-worker friend came up to me and showed me a text message from his x-gf stating "I don't want to be alone and want you back". My co-worker friend is now involved in a new relationship, but still lingers the old x-gf wanting him back. The sad thing about the whole is that both parties have one child each and they are one's who are being affected by the break.

Tvos

Ap Friends,

Been wondering for some time now about people who've projected and before having a near death experience or reverse. Any reports out there you can recommend reading?

Thank You,

Tvos

Injaneer,

The float tank for me was very relaxing and enjoyable to a degree. I don't think that it will bring success for an obe personally. For others, if it can help achieve that state of awareness, go for it and document the entire experience.

Don't give up and keep trying. Just remember, there's no short-cuts or fast food take outs with projecting. Your body will know when its ready to shift consciousness. Focus on one technique at a time for at least 3-4months. If it doesn't present result, move on to the next technique and apply the same 3-4 month period.

Good luck and thank you for sharing your float experience.

Tvos

Hey Injaneer,

Thanx for sharing the experience - I didn't use a head pillow during my float and wish I would have. I found it difficult in relaxing . Like you, the first time was tough with the heat in the tank and just floating but I managed to relax and get past it.

Interesting about the crown and heart chakra energy - how have your projections been afterward?

tvos

I will do a few more sessions in the future, but not anytime soon. I also included video on my site of the float tank.

tvos

Jub Jub,

It was a interesting experience. I wish that I could have projected but for me personally, it was difficult to become totally relaxed. I am sure over the time it would be possible but for now it was a long wait to experience this.

Tvos

[Date: 03.22.2007 Time: 5:30PM – 7:00PM Experiment #1Subject: Sensory Deprivation Float Tank Date: 04.09.2007 Time: 1:00PM – 2:30PMExperiment #2]

Date: 03.22.2007
Time: 5:30PM – 7:00PM
Experiment #1
Subject: Sensory Deprivation Float Tank

Date: 04.09.2007
Time: 1:00PM – 2:30PM
Experiment #2


Author:  David A. Warner
© Copyright 2007
www.invisiblelight.us


The first time that I became aware of the sensory deprivation float tank was in the movie 'Altered States' released in 1980. When I first started projecting in 1987 I was interested in exploring different various techniques-methods that would aid and produce the out of body experience.

A friend explained to me about the sensory deprivation isolation float tank from the movie 'Altered States' and how individuals have reported out of body experiences. This immediately grabbed my attention and peeked my interest of this being utilized as a tool for exploring consciousness. The only problem that I faced is where did these float tank's exist and what was the cost?

It wasn't until 2006 I did some internet web searching for the sensory deprivation float tanks and arrived at this web site: www.floatation.com. The locations that I referenced at the web site required some distance in travel and were out of state. The two closets sites were in Chicago, Illinois and Toledo, Ohio which would take some planning and a few days off of work.

Every so often, I would return to the web site and see if any float tanks were available for the state of Michigan and to my surprise a business owner of 'Just Relax Flotation' made his float tank available at the Oasis hot tub spa in my hometown of Grand Rapids. Now, how cool is that and what luck!

I contacted the business owner 'Lucas' and explained about my studies, research, and experience with the out of body consciousness. This experience I always wanted to do, float in pure isolation and see if this would be a tool for astral projection. I think Lucas probably thought I was weird, a space cadet and had some good drugs to offer.. But when I presented to Lucas my research, journal entries, stats, spiritual background, detail of my web site and sincere work he could tell that I was serious. So I made the appointment for 03.22.2007 to start floating at 5:30pm and end at 7:00pm at the Oasis located in Grand Rapids, MI. This was perfect timing because my wife and I just purchased a sony hard drive video recorder and what a perfect way to document this experiment.


When I first arrived at the Oasis I was greeted by Lucas and he went over a few guidelines of safety, entry and exit from the tank. Lucas asked if I wanted to have meditative music or the jacuzzi bubbles running while floating. I opted out just for pure silence, tranquility, and relaxation and hoping that I could shift consciousness into the astral body.

The first important step in preparing for floating is to recognize that any open wounds, cuts, scratches, shaving hours before would be discovered by the salt in the water and would hurt! I didn't think there would have been any issues but the cuts show even if you are not aware (OUCH!).

The second step is to make sure you shower before/after entry into the float tank.  Wash your hair and your body to remove oil, dirt, grim, and any bacteria. When exiting the tank, the salt is thick and it feels like your body has a crust of salt layered growing as a outside skin.

When relaxing in the tank and to have pure silence it's good to wear ear plugs so that it drowns out the noises along with preventing salt invading the ears.

The floor of the tank and sides is made up of a vinyl lining and is extremely slippery. I found myself at times when trying to exit the tank, I kept slipping and had a difficult time rising to my feet.

The most important thing to remember while in the tank, don't drink the water, lay on your back at all times and be extremely careful allowing no water from getting into your eyes.

When I first entered into the sensory deprivation tank and the door closed, it was pitch black and no light escaped. Laying back into the water I immediately started floating w/o any sinking or my body touching the bottom. The water depth is about 2-3 feet and dimensions of the tank roughly were 7' x 5' feet. While inside the tank, the water temperature was extremely warm, relaxing, calm, and immersed into complete solitude.

During the hour and thirty minutes of floating there were times that I did lose awareness and would catch myself in flight of thoughts, sometimes phasing in and out consciousness. To totally relax my body, I had to bring my arms upright and raise them above my head. If I let my arms rest to the side of my body, my neck muscles would tense and cause strain. I did find it difficult to totally let go, relax and leave the body. Not to say that it was a failure but it did make me aware of my resting positions of my physical body and having complete relaxation during the obe.

Both experiments were well worth the money and investment. Even though, I wasn't able to produce the out of body state, I was able to relax, enjoy the experience and finally float. I believe this to be a successful tool for other means of therapeutic relaxation, stress elimination, and peace of mind.


Tvos

[Date: 04-02-2007Time: 9:00 AM – 9:30 AMSubject: Guidance Author: David A. Warner© Copyright 2007www.invisiblelight.us]

Date: 04-02-2007
Time: 9:00 AM – 9:30 AM
Subject: Guidance

Author:  David A. Warner
© Copyright 2007
www.invisiblelight.us


OBE Journal

In my latest OBE, I found myself in a different location that appeared to be in a department store. The norm of starting point usually is at "Mom and Dads" home. I had the opportunity to communicate with a guide in this experience. The duration of the OBE did take its toll on memory recall when returning back to the physical body.

The following journal entry is a summarization from the mp3 audio narration:


Guidance

In the beginning of the experience, I recognized this man who materialized in front of me. I asked the following questions in which the guide responded:

•   What happens after physical death? Reply "Spiritual Rebirth"
•   Are Angels or Guides 24/7 around us in guidance and protection. Reply "Yes"

The guide explained to me that I should read the following books. The first book title given to me fell along the lines of "Self" and searching within. The other title of the book was sketchy and I couldn't make out the details. I asked the guide "How am I suppose to remember all this?" and to repeat the titles for memory recall. The guide repeated himself but still I had difficulty upon return with recollection.


Telekinesis

I gathered around a group of people in a department store and tried explaining to them that we are alive, but have transcended into another level of consciousness. For demonstration to convince the group I used telekinesis to lift merchandise from the store into the air. The group were amazed and bewildered of what I was able to accomplish.


Mind Reading

Towards the of the experience, I was communicating with a friend and questioning
his location in time and space. As my friend was expressing himself, I was able to read his thoughts and what he was going to say in the last couple of words in his sentence. As I verbally repeated the last word of his sentences, my friend was taken by this and looked to me in question.


Tvos

Ap Friends,

After a week's worth of video editing and still seems to be rough in some spots, I've now released for the public to view.

You can find the video in the video section of my site under 'Experiments' folder which is titled Sensory Deprivation (Float Tank) folder with video.

I'll be also be conducting another test this saturday at the float tank. We'll see what happens!

Enjoy,

Tvos

The video is almost complete - I'm just working on the rendering and making sure that it's not a huge download. I can't believe how video editing TAKES FOREVER to work on. Well, thats okay, I did a little editing so certain things wouldn't be too obvisous (my fat gut) ...

tvos

Stookie,

I really didn't know what to expect honestly from the tank. I didn't know if I'd be comfortable, relaxed, if I was able to project or not. It did take some time getting use to and feeling comfortable w/o strain from my neck. I had to reach outward and up with my arms to balence. I neck would sink into the water while floating which cause strain but when changing position with my arms up and outward I felt comfy.

You don't realize how nice a bed is and how you can position yourself for a nice sleep.

I've the video and will document so everyone can see what it looks like.

Tvos

Ap Friends,

Well, I was able to float today and it was relaxing, soothing and enjoyable experience. Although, I didn't project (boo-hoo) I was able to notice a few things about the tank, and in myself. I was in the sleep deprivation tank for 1hr and 30mins, wearing ear plugs and in pure darkness.

From what I notice is that during the obe, I'm really deep into the trance mind awake state. All physical consciousness is lost, not present and I'm completely relaxed. When I was in the tank it took some time to adjust and feel relaxed, at peace and comfortable. I did lose sense of time and drifted a bit from physical consciousness but would return. At first, I found my muscles tight then eventual would losen in time. I tried to relax in a laying position than found strain in my neck than positioned my arms upward and out as I'm reaching.

It was slippery fluid with a lot of salt in the tank which at the time I didn't realize that I had a few cuts which definitely amplified the sores.. I still have abother 1hr and 30 minutes credit which I will do in the next few weeks. I'm thinking of trying this in the morning while I've been up for a few hrs and hopefully yield a obe.

I've video with audio narration that I'll add to my web site www.invisiblelight.us of the experience for download in the next 4-5 days. So check it out when it becomes availabe.

Tvos