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The more we look for it, the more we see it.  Eventually we learn to live with it and understand the intelligence 'behind' it.
  then we even understand it was always there quietly working with us - like melding dimensional coherent partners...you me us them it...

how come you don't use the quote button?

You see where I'm going with this? Everything is defined by everything else. So what's the purpose of our existence? I have an idea, a postulation. Our purpose is to give meaning to the existential data. This data is like a matrix of many zeros and ones inside a computer. We sort out the combinations and decide what they represent according to whatever system of living we have devised. The data is very REAL. The concepts are ILLUSIONS which are made real in our minds because we make them matter. Just like Frank Kepple devised his focus model to make sense of the data he was receiving. From this, we can infer that even Focus 4 oC is merely a concept in his mind. The human mind tends to categorise everything. It feels the need to do this due to its simplistic nature compared to the whole.

What do you think, Wi11iam?

The data is real yes. 

The way the data is filtered depends on the purpose of the individual receiving the data.

As to F4, it exists summerlander, as a real data filtering system of 'minds' which have combined into 'mind' and connected to F5 – it is our whole species repository for all the information we individually experience, even as we collectively experience.

Too often the ILLUSION comes about from the individual unable to comprehend or recognise even the possibility of such a living system of information storage, collectively gathering and categorising and filtering and retrieving and reflecting back from where it derived....in 'all directions' including 'outside' of the whole system of information gather 'inside' the experience of the whole consciousness that is 'ours'.

F4, you are free to believe, only exist(ed) in Franks Model, devised so he could make sense of his experiences, and truly you can only go as far as your own creations allow you to, because that is your choice.

Have you done any experiments to find out once and for all one way or the other if F4 exists, or have you had no particular interest in pursuing the answer?  I don't really know a great deal about your experiences in F3, if you are occupied with helping, retrieving, making things, exploring, slaying dragons, or whatever.

I sense you don't have any particular purpose in relation to experiencing the things which 'astral projection' allow you to experience, so your experiences will reflect this back to you (the consciousness experiencing) through the actual experiences you have.
No thing more and no thing less.

Wi11iam,

Here's one opinion on what evolving spiritually means: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tDVtxvvRGQI

Later....

Wi11iam, did you happen to watch that video link I posted?
I'm wondering your thoughts on the content... since it's directly related to one perceived notion of Spiritual Evolution.

  Okay I got through most of that video you linked and the content is interesting and I understand its relevance in relation to spiritual evolution of individuals and specie.

This is a piece I created ten years ago - it is still one of my favorites. 

[Entertainment – Attainment.]

Entertainment – Attainment.
F4 is not 'beyond human comprehension' summerlander  Do you get that from Frank's description?  Would you go there "if there was such a thing"?
Part of the aspect of F4 has to do with it being a zone where your sense of self merges with other senses of selves in order to.....do...what....?
Franks reports offer us some clues – and yes you are 'free' to argue that it was all in Franks 'mind' – but I can assure you that it is also in mine, (and I get the 'feel' that I am not alone in this) and yes, from the 'outside' (F3) of this zone (F4) from individual perspective of those who do indeed know of it and its existence, there will be differing labels and ideas on what it might be (including "invisible" and "incomprehensible") but I am convinced that the zone of F3 is where the purposeless 'ideas' that you mentioned are being brainstormed.  F4 is more the area where the 'results' are examined.
Those "inside" F4, will know and comprehend
No doubt you are correct that F4 has common ground with 'quantum logic', but in no way is it 'rather than' – it is a bridging device between the two 'logics'.
You are exactly correct ( as in closer to the mark) in understanding that in order to have purpose, 'we' as One "Make it up as 'we' go along" and this is the purpose of F4 – in relation to the connection it has with Itself, with its 'parts' (F3 - F1), and with its Wholeness (F Or Ever.) 

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A lot of the things that surrounds us, which we consider to have purpose, depend on many other separate elements in order to sustain this sense of purpose in our minds.



Only One Being Existing
On the contrary – "things" are "things" and what WE are OF, is Only One Thing, and that Thing is Conscious and Intelligent = With Purpose.
That Thing is where the sustained 'sense of purpose' 'dwells' like the dominant reality that It Is.
That which you refer to as 'our minds' is a small factor – part of The One, except for the small fact that 'our minds' might not necessarily be aware of this.
It is not The One whom rejects 'our minds' but 'tother way 'round...for now...
This is why F3 exists.  F4 in comparison is hardly occupied, and exists, as I understand, as a connection to a vaster Reality With Purpose...and in a small way, part of that Purpose has to do with F1 F2 F3 F4 and the Purpose is communicated through F4.
An aspect of F3 acts as a distractive noise to that Purpose F4 is transmitting to F1, in which F1 finds very hard to hear through.
F4 has 'ways and means' to circumnavigate the F3 'noise'.
An aspect of F3 has agencies to stop up those 'ways and means' but F4 is always one step ahead.


Back on the School Bus...

F4 = "The Driver"

F3 & F1 = "Passengers"

F's 1,2,3 & 4 = "The Vehicle (Bus = Be Us) built with the Purpose of carrying Passengers"

F Or Ever/F5 = "The Fuel"

Fulfilling the Purpose = "The Profit"

F's 1,2,3 & 4  = "The Schools"

Take away the Schools (F's 1 2 3 & 4) from existence and 'we' would have to find  another use for the F's 1,2,3 & 4 is to understand "we" and "F Or Ever/F5" are One and The Same.

We are 'The Fuel'

A prehistoric relic! = Consciousness Without Form (F's 1 2 3 & 4 non anything's)



Now on a more sober note, the thing is, yes everyone can and does create a real place for them to dwell in what is erroneously sometimes seen as 'the after life' – and herein as all of the experiencee's will verify, is where 'things happen' and these things seem real and vibrant and even seem eternal, but there is still doubt as to the 'reality' of these places – this is a good clue.  If we doubt the reality of our experiences in F1 & F3, then it is likely they don't really exist.
Fortunately we share a reality in F1 which is verifiable, thus extremely hard to doubt.  Its 'purpose' might not be shared as one 'thing', and that is another aspect worth focusing on, as to 'why' this is so.

Do you see where I have gone with this?

So, these 'after life existences,' – If they are not real, then why are so many experiencing them?
And in the content of their experiences shared, why are most appearing to doubt the validity of them?  Could it be that the areas of experience are not destined to be permanent and thus, are not really real.?  Those who created them do not seriously want them to be permanent ...perhaps...

Truth is, yes we are experiencing a creation of our own making.  Truth is, within this we have our own individual creations to tend to.

F3 is NOT "forever"... it appears to be, but it is a place of 'hold and examine content and activity until further notice".

...but that is an ongoing story...

Planet Talks btw summerlander, but not in a language easily understood, I admit.  The easiest way to 'listen' is to examine while observing.  I am sure someone or more have created 'talking moons made of cheese' in F3 somewhere – would be fascinating to look for and find, but also a distraction.

[We Are One Are We One We One Are One We Are ʘ]

We Are One Are We One We One Are One We Are ʘ

Firstly I would like to say that I understand we are in factually, ONE.
There is no 'zero'.

Since I am this way, I need to express myself through whatever medium made available, in a tone that reflects my understanding of the concept "We Are One".

The reality of this "We Are One" statement is that it is pretty oxymoron, due to the common understanding of the meaning of each word.

We = individuals who are separated in their conscious awareness, from 'others' = 'many' rather than 'one'
Are = consciousness through individual and collective realities.
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Nature tends to agree with the concept of ONE and from our collective experience we do verify and agree that each of us appears to be on a planet 'drifting' through a galaxy, which itself is 'drifting' through a universe.

I have to say that when I first connected with The Frank Keppel Resource
I reacted as I felt necessary and in introducing myself to This Board
I explained my own journey and purpose.
See Here For More Detail.

Before I decided to join The Astral Pulse, I did some investigating.  Firstly I searched for recent posts to see if Franks Model was being discussed anywhere.
I also checked out the forum Moderators posts , past and present to get some insight into where they were 'coming from' – as I have shared, often one comes to a forum based on the welcome sign and group description, only to find that the original has being infiltrated and hijacked.

I also searched the internet "Frank Kepple" and discovered that there was a shady past and Frank had detractors who were accusing him of some untoward practices.

I also saw complaints about Adrian – something to the effect that he had double-crossed Frank and owned the control and direction of Astral Pulse.

I emailed Douglas Eckhart (Gandalf) because I saw that he had not contributed to Astral Pulse for some years, and asked him if he might point me to somewhere more appropriate.

I read many of the older posts and then went back to reading the new posts and in general I felt that I would give it a go and start posting and see what unfolded...thinking maybe that adaptation from all aspects might be achievable.

I was aware, for example, that Moderator Xanth has a strong opinion about 'ouija' and since part of my story involved the use of the ouija principle (spiritual evolution) would Xanth gag me?

Xanth didn't gag me.

So then I have an influx of replies – not so much because of My Journey thread in the members intro section – but on other matters relating.

I sensee there is a strong affiliation with the Monroe Institute coming from those who are replying to my shared perspective. (as in – the perspective I share)  

I also sense/see a strong reaction regarding The Frank Kepple model, most certainly from member Pauli, and I understand that there is some 'battle' going on there within and who the favourite is to 'win', but I don't buy into that, or any other 'battle' as I know these to be distractions.

Aye, so regardless of what labels and languages I 'should' be speaking in, I came here on account of Frank Kepple's Model Pauli, and I trust that the Monroeians can respect that and not act as some religious owners of anything to do with the Art of Astral Projection, what you need to 'do' in order to achieve the desired state, and the rights to say 'how it is' to the point where anyone who disagrees need to 'find their own place'

Of course, if that is how it is here at Astral Pulse guys and gals, just let me know and I will One Off and play 'elsewhere.'  

In the Now...We Are One.  To the story of The School Bus (Member Summerlander)...

Wi11iam, did you happen to watch that video link I posted?
I'm wondering your thoughts on the content... since it's directly related to one perceived notion of Spiritual Evolution.

It's on my list of things to do Xanth - do you have thoughts on it?

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Specifically, Pauli, what do you have to add to the subject of "Spiritual Evolution"?

Your answers won't come from the mind of someone else


Essentially - there IS no 'someone else' and that is part of what Frank speaks of realizing.
Sure, you don't have to agree - it is not an expectation, but perhaps you could use your own experiences to 'ask the guides' or some such other thing - investigate.
I am not saying that they will know any different or would be able to enlighten you further, for they may not realize themselves the full extent and may be distracted/preoccupied with whatever it is they are doing which keeps them that way...

I highly suggest you spend your time journeying to the non-physical yourself and *DIRECTLY* find your own answers.

I will - but tell me if you can...with your 'answers' and my 'answers', and everyone's 'answers' what will be the final answer?  That there is no answer because there is no question because there is no purpose?  Hey I will get back to you about what it is I think summerlander....later

  be specific

Specifically, Pauli, what do you have to add to the subject of "Spiritual Evolution"?

After reading The Frank Kepple Resource I was in a 2nd hand store and brought a DVD.  It was about a guy who was stung by box jellyfish.
He describes his NDE and while I am watching I recall what Frank said about what he calls the four differing 'focuses' of consciousness, and F1 was where the man was at the time he was stung by these box jellyfish (apparently they are the second deadliest poisonous thing known to exist on earth) he then entered another state as he was losing his battle to stay in F1 (he was dying) and in this state he was at first confronted by darkness, and then some kind of evil presence which manifested itself and was telling him that he had to go to hell and then another manifested image appeared to him – radiant and good.
This presence seemed to dissipate the first manifestation and this presence had some questions for the guy.
Then the guy reports that the being moved to one side and revealed a beautiful land which the guy saw as Heaven.
The guy was then given a choice – he could enter this land or he could go back to his life on Earth.

Now this kind of story is not unique at all – in fact they are quite common although there is still much debate (distraction) as to weather these experiences are 'real' or 'illusion'

What I saw in watching this DVD was a process – one in which Frank describes and ascribes more detail to.

Now the guy chose to return to his earth life and predictable became a preacher for Jesus.
(this is because he understood his experience to categorically support the Christian belief system) and when he does inevitably die, he will return to this Heaven and for him, all things will be lovely.

Indeed, there are far worse areas within the F3 reality, as the stories go and far better ones by all accounts, and this is in most cases to do with personal, individual preference.

Illusion is real, tricks are real, and cons are real.  Illusion is 'smoke and mirrors' (as the saying goes) and it appears a bulk of individuals experiencing 'other states of awareness' are at a loss as to categorically state that what they experience is indeed 'real' rather than 'illusion'.

Illusion is real, and is often used for the purpose of concealment and is a popular source of entertainment.
If there is some concern as to the true nature of that which is being experienced, there is no 'thing' to stop the individual, or group of individuals from examining the 'thing' more closely.

There may be an underlying concern that in doing so, the entertainment value is lost.  Like knowing how a trick/illusion is done – spoils the illusion.
There may be a fear of exposing something behind the illusion that might force the individual/group to let go of precious beliefs which go a long way in making that individual/group what they 'see' themselves as being, and all that such 'identification' may imply.

It is all part of 'Spiritual Evolution' – to understand the real illusion and why it is an illusion.

Even the language and labels are part of the illusion – and assist in keeping the illusion real.

But we work with what we have, and by all accounts there is a vast amount of uncovering to do, and a myriad of potentially distractive elements which could be authorised to hamper that investigation.

If we so chose to let them.



I read this a few years back, and rediscovered it more recently.  It is an interesting opinion regarding the nature of – what I call 'the Invisible Realm' in relation to we, the earth bound,  in F1 and focuses on the suppression of  a reality hidden behind the illusions of the so-called 'paranormal' – such as 'Astral'.
I quote a particular part of the document, but the document as a whole is a very interesting read.




It is well past the hour that humans wake up to what they are participating in and learn how they can stop it – one individual at a time. We are the key to our dilemma and we must learn how to deactivate the suppression matrix so we can awaken to the Sovereign Integral consciousness, live within its behavioural intelligence, and release ourselves from the grip of the mind and human instrument.

Those who extol hope and light, I can only say that you will be disappointed if your hope is contingent on anyone, save yourself, to facilitate change in this world. It is truly as Gandhi explained; we must become the change we want to see in the world, but the key is to define what change.

Have you ever considered the definition of your Self? What is it that defines you? If you look in the mirror and peel away the masks, the pretentions, the deceptions, the fears, the thoughts, the feelings; what remains? For most they would answer their soul or spirit. And if I told you that the soul – as most define it – does not truly exist apart from the mind, what would you say?

The change I want to see in the world is that people begin to see themselves as multidimensional beings whose core is the Sovereign Integral that is the distillation of First Source in a singular, human expression. If people were only in tune with this frequency, they would understand that all is united in oneness, equality, and truth. This is the definition of the Grand Portal as it has been disclosed by the WingMakers mythology for the past ten years.
Each individual is a portal unto themselves, and this portal is the access point to the interdimensional worlds of the Sovereign Integral, where the human instrument, like a space suit, is finally removed and the individual realizes their true, infinite nature. And in this realization, understands that everyone –
EVERYONE – is equal in this state, and in this equality we are ONE. The Grand Portal is when humanity stands-up as ONE BEING to this all-encompassing realization and then we transcend the suppression framework and express as Sovereigns.

2012 is a single page in the "book" called the Era of Transparency and Expansion. The life of deception – the era of veils over veils over veils – is dissipating, provided enough people rise up within themselves and honor the Sovereign Integral within by expressing its truth.

But to do this, people must become attuned to its consciousness apart from the HMS, and this is the course of action that people must engage in. The seeking of information is over. The seeking of a master, guru, religion, spiritual path, or way-shower is over. The seeking of objects of blame is over.

The seeking of hidden information behind the dark forces is over. It is the expression of the Sovereign Integral consciousness and the deactivation of the suppression framework that becomes the focus of each individual in this new era.




click here to access the whole document

It was a rhetorical question, Pauli. 
Just as rhetorical as "everything exists?".

Everything Exists.  This is a statement, not a question.    Nothing also exists, but in the case of both, it is Conscious Intelligence which makes the call.
"Nothing" is an aspect of Everything....it is a 'thing' in itself. 

What Focus do you mean with "F1"?

Do you mean Focus 10, Focus 3 or C1?

And, yes, I ask from the point of Frank's model of Monroe Focuses.

See:
3) In depth: Focus 1
at this link

Everything Exists

I used to watch that! As a matter of fact I have been thinking (when I watched it) that we could be shifting into paralel universes all the time, without noticing it, everytime we make a choice/decision. And that that is how creating our lives works. 

And to me the astral also looks like physical world mostly, and sometimes with some pleasant extra's. And one time it was like a fairytale, with so many bright colours. 

Yes - who knows...we might go to sleep in one and wake up in the other - the differences might be so subtle as to appear that nothing has changed and yet....

[The One Consciousness]

 
As to the One Intelligent Consciousness... 

...What I understand about this is that it is also an individualised fragment of a much vaster Consciousness and is the instrument of that vaster aspect which is used to explore.
It may then seem erroneous to call this fragmented Consciousness as being The One Consciousness, however, my understanding is that fragmented or not, it derives and is connected to the Source, and everything which is conscious is also connected to this Source.

The experience of being an individual naturally induces the belief that we are not connected in any way.  This is part and parcel of the human experience but of course, as many will verify, there is a vaster reality we are not ordinarily able to see or interact with, and even when we do, we are not at all positive as to what it is, or if it is 'real'.

Exploration is the motivating ingredient, and often the discovery process is accompanied by realisation which points to other discoveries.

Ultimately it is The Source of Consciousness that is doing the discovering, experiencing, and collecting of data.

In order to explore the Universe of F1 –Matter, Energy, Space and Time, there must have been a process of 'dummying down' so that each aspect from Consciousness outside F1 moving into F1, had its part to play in creating the next until eventually creating forms of matter in which to experience through and collect the data of experience – the details of such an undertaking would be pretty much incomprehensible to human thinking.

What does it take for a vast intelligent consciousness to enter the parameters of this universe?

The result is evident – at least on the surface.  Personally I understand that the reason this universe being what it is has everything to do with this One Conscious Intelligence initially interacting with the Quantum Particles, and this interaction is what created Galaxies and everything else.

My understanding is that such an awesomely powerful reaction of creative expression cannot be contained within human form – it has to go through a mind-bendingly complex and time consuming process (from the pov of intelligence within this universe).

Inevitably this process produced forms of matter which were – if not ideal, then certainly usable for Conscious Intelligence to experience through and to collect the data of experience.

Each aspect of fragmentation brought the Conscious Intelligence a step closer to being able to experience F1 as a specie life-form which could live on a planet suitable for such a thing.

Reverse engineer the process and we have a better understanding of what the Invisible Realm is, and why it is, as it is.

Throughout this whole process, with each 'dummying down' some prior knowledge of where it 'came from' would not have been retained within the experience of the particular new instrument of experience. 

The Source would have understood the likely outcome of such processes, and would have placed 'failsafe' measures in which to make sure that this 'forgetting oneself' (as The Source) would not be permanent....each creative aspect would act as a mentor for each following aspect of this creative process.

Eventually this consciousness incarnated into the form it created for the purpose of exploring a planetary existence, and in doing so, the reflection of this experience wrought through the belief systems of the individuals experiencing, pinged back to the Invisible Realm and became 'real' – this process made possible by the experience of F1, through the influence of F2 (where individual imagination/belief system becomes real/alive) and through there into the aspect of F3, where it situates itself as a real vibrant and expanding system of a collective shared reality.
F3 is a problematic situation in that it is not an ideal, or indeed a desired state for intelligent consciousness to dwell indefinitely within.  This is due to the instability of opposing forces which were created by the human experience and its belief in duality...

Or maybe my mind manifested it all. Perhaps OOBEs are brain-concocted illusions. Have you ever thought of that, Wi11iam? After all, DMT is produced endogenously and, as you know, it is a hallucinogenic substance.



Sure have thought about it.  It is the base reason for the belief system of the aspect of humanity called 'scepticism'.
You are welcome to belief this is what is taking place when you have your experiences, and perhaps one day science will be able to prove irrevocably that this is in fact the case.
As a belief I imagine that the believer would need to 'see' things that way in order to stay somewhat detached from being a part of a possible collective intelligent consciousness and the implications which may derive from this awareness.

On a more 'conspiratal' note, their may well be an aspect of the Invisible Realm which has enjoyed the illusion of 'owning' and controlling to some degree the way that realm functions and in order to keep that illusion 'alive' things need to go the way they have been in relation to the earth-bound – certainly there does seem to be some kind of battle going on among some very powerful entities here on earth, so it will have its counterpart in the Invisible Realm.

It all gets down to belief, and who was it that mentioned earlier in this thread that "Imagination is Limitless" or words to that effect.
Imagination is the first building block in the creation of belief systems and the energy focused.

Personally I don't think the human brain is a stand alone entity tricking the thing that it lives in.  It is a tool for consciousness and an intelligent consciousness would be able to 'work it out'...especially if it had the backing of its collective self..

I would suggest that the main reason humans think in terms of invasion has to do with our own history, and often science fiction portrays us as behaving aggressively toward any civilisation we come across, as well as act defensively to the unknown.  Under the circumstances this would be quiet natural.

In order for a successful interaction, humans would have to be convinced that there is no ulterior motive, but I suspect that the issue won't arise unless for a reason that the 'aliens' themselves might find necessary.
In that case they might be able to cripple any potential threat humans might pose to them, but in any event, due to human media, there will be a portion of humanity that will panic, and harm themselves and others in the process.

[The problem]

The problem is the problem.  "people" don't have to be the problem - they are potentially capable of being the solution

One thing that creates more upheaval, wars, deaths than anything in human existence is religion.


I think the truth is, religion is part of the one thing which creates upheaval, wars, deaths, misery etc.
Politics, culture and science are the other aspects of that thing which we humans administer to each other as if quiet naturally, causing all the horror.

Yes – I remember seeing this pic in the art thread of this site.

For me, everything is real.  I view the whole human situation as being one thing – one entity.
I realise that this is not ordinary, as we are taught and accept quiet readily the truth that we are separate and individual.
Historical evidence supports this belief system and makes it look real by acting it out.
It is this acting out which creates history.
I have learned to view the whole thing as one thing, notwithstanding that in doing so I am not 'seeing' what is as I 'should' be seeing it, as a fair chunk of individuals 'see' things.

I add the data to itself.  Now I have had enough experience with OOBE – state – and in reading what others say about their own experiences I accumulate more data regarding that whole thing.

I understand that the whole thing is Consciousness, and from that point, all 'things' become.
I further understand that this Consciousness is obviously intelligent and purposeful, and that it is expanding through the accumulation of experience, not only earthbound experience but 'other' dimensional experience, such as you yourself are also aware of.

I do not differentiate as to what is real and what is not.  Anything Conscious awareness experiences, is indeed real. 
I have learned to expand.  I have learned to 'see' that it is possible to gather the experiences into a cohesive 'picture' and enjoy the intimacy of experience as a result.

On the subject of the 'blank' areas – we all know of these,  I 'see' them as being 'walls' between differing realities.
Some of these blank areas can cause the aspect of intelligence moving through them to literally forget all prior experience, of where it 'came from' in order to 'get to' where it goes..
Some suggest that this has to do with the density – especially to do with F1 – our shared reality matrix of common ground – literally, earthbound - and thus 'normally' we each believe we have had no prior 'anything' – we come from nothing and this gives us each an understanding of 'beginning'.

The different realities are also of Conscious Intelligence.  As ONE 'thing', the Conscious Intelligence is the primary ingredient of ALL experience.

I realise that in today's climate of collective human thought, such a concept points to 'God' and that this tends to leave a 'bad taste in the mouth' as the saying goes.  On the subject of 'God', history shows us a collective truth that religion – that collective human representative of 'what god is', is more a hindrance (to spiritual evolution) than a help.

This is great individuals are moving on from such god-concepts, apart from the fact that it tends to get individuals agreeing that thinking in terms of "all consciousness derives from the One" equates to their being a 'God' and therefore, "no thanks".

Ah, but when understood from a differing view point, one begins to realise that IF this were in fact the truth, THEN we each are part of that same thing, and it is possible to realign the thinking processes to reflect that fact.

Easier said than done of course. 

The ramifications themselves become a source of interest and focus.

I have no doubts whatsoever in the fact that individuals who OOBE are in fact doing so, and that the experiences they have are real, even if they themselves doubt the validly as to the reality of what it is they experience.

I also understand that 'dreams' too, are real.  Reality has everything to do with consciousness, in that consciousness itself is real – and is the singular aspect responsible for giving/making anything and everything, real.

True – the experiencee can doubt the validity, or in analysing the data of experience, can deduce an incorrect assessment.  Indeed, there is no doubt in my understanding that the personality experiencing OOBE does so based largely on how they perceive their dominant reality F1 – Life on Earth – and these concepts remain with the persona – whatever the situation being experienced.

Even if one assumes the role of observer, in any experience, what is being observed will also be interpreted according to how that persona thinks when in their 'normal', dominant reality.

If you are eager to have Kepple's model verified...I'm sorry to tell you that it can't have that.

This is great!  I did wonder about that Astral Pulse Island – where the thought seemed to be for practitioners can meet and verify the experience.
So it would appear that the process is very similar, but the experiences are totaliy different.

F1  Similar and different – however as a shared reality the effects of what happens on this planet always have an effect on everyone, just different degrees, unless it was something major.

F2 – ah yes the area (whatever) where the individuals thoughts/beliefs become real
F3 – Where those thoughts have created 'lands' (again – whatever) and these lands are collectively a vast and seemingly endless shared reality and within the boarders of these lands are real individuals sharing similar belief systems, and there are 'guides' and such to help the traveller and there is also the practice of retrieval.

It sounds like you have not been to that actual area, and likely wouldn't if you believe that everything doesn't actually exist.

Also it doesn't really matter what these areas are called – even if they are called areas – and the only subjective I am most interested in is the collective subjective – so thanks for your subjective explanation – I like reading your posts summer but I tend to distrust any entity who tells me to "melt into the nothing" ( and other such phrasing) and such like advice - because I suspect such entities have been telling me that for a long time and I have been stupid enough to listen...and unobservant in noticing that they stick around waiting for me to re-emerge anew so they can tell me 'how it is' and use my beliefs to lord it over me while they live off my suffering.

(Their counterparts here in F1 are the 20% of the worlds population living off the backs of the 80% whom believe that this is the way it must be...now I wonder who told them that?)

Relax I say, there is a plan (yes – from the heart of intelligence and reason) to make it all better, and distracting oneself in the un actuality of this meta realm is vainglorious nonsense if it has no practical purpose relating to the totality and the real concerns and issues that need to be sorted...fortunately there is a place in the vastness of the Invisible Realm (metaphysical as you call it) which is aware of the issues and is doing a great deal about it – but the bottom line is the BEING that we all are and the birthing of that into something which isn't an illusion, delusion, figment of imagination...and this process could do with everyone's help, but ah...folk seem to get themselves so distracted.

What do you want with your waffle?

Gosh Pauli!

Ah – well we each come from the direction we do, and at least we can respect that yes?
Okay – 'sorry' for the mistake in spelling 'Monroe' – Fortunately no one can own the Invisible Realm, although the concepts/interpretations might be owned by institutions, the Invisible Realm existed before anyone 'discovered' it.

Simplification is best.  Sure, we all have our preferred way of learning etc...but the labels in the different models pretty much point to the same thing.

I am not here to judge Frank K's model in comparison to Monroe's – that would be wasteful.

F1 F2 F3 F4 are suitable enough labels and it would be 'splitting hairs' to carry on in complaint by not being 'proper' – a distraction even.
YOU know what I am saying when I refer to – for example – F1. 

  Aw geez...and in reading the comments further in the thread Pauli created, Ryan you say something which actually tells the reader that you DO acknowledge  the 'areas' Frank speaks of...okay so I wont 'bug' you anymore, asking for clarification...I am starting to look like I am stalking you in my persistence – so will leave things as they are...the words you say tell me the answer is "yes" you do, although you seem to lean more towards Munroe's model/labels than Keppel's, that is not here nor there...

As for the labeling... 
Personally speaking, I absolutely love the labeling!  It works great for me!  Although, I do recognize that it might not work for everyone, but I feel it helps me immensely to know exactly what I've experienced and exactly how far along I believe I am. - Ryan

Okay Ryan  in reading the link Pauli pointed me towards, I see this comment from you in reply to another:

Killa Rican: I always enjoyed reading franks posts as theres alot i can relate to in it, but i never really agreed nor liked his accusation that all being/entitys we encounter are fabrications of the mind.

You:  Because he never said that.
Focus 2 oC entities are created of your mind.
Focus 3 oC "people" are real beings.

So I ask, does this description of these 'areas' align with your own experiences or are they constructs of Franks own mind/belief systems?
I think my question is okay to ask those who claim to AP, and there is a lot of talk about the comparisons of Munroe's models and Franks - the models may be different and I get that Frank simplified things into 4 (or perhaps 5) 'areas of the One Consciousness' so of course I am curious as to what others who experience AP have to say, for or against the models - certainly there is alignment in them both, (Munroe's and Kepple's) and from my own perspective and journey (experience) information I have, aligns with what Frank has to say.