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  unfortunately it seems like you need a prescription to get galantamine in australia, and they are expensive! but, in all honesty, i'm sure people occasionally indulge in some alcohol, or purchase a fatty treat from the store.. everything is okay in moderation. safe dosage is 3 times a week or less, and i'm sure that is too regular for most people to wish to endure. excess consumption results in dizziness, nauseousness, and potentially, lack of sleep. of course, no one should accept anything like this blindly
  i am jealous though! i am familiar with having consecutive projections, but that sounds like it would be pretty crazy!

Hi Predatoo, I live in the United Arab Emirates and could not find it here at all!  I bought online from the USA - its crazy cheap there!

Astralbeginnings, have you learned how to fly yet in OBES? I know this is a little off topic but just curious!

I flew on my 1st attempt (which wasnt my first OBE btw).  Before I did it I had no pre-conceptions of NOT being able to do it so I just assumed (i.e. knew) that I could, and I did.  I guess its just a matter of belief. 

Plus, I used to have OBE's all the time when I was a kid, and I used to fly all the time - I just didnt know they were OBEs at the time!  Sorry for the overuse of the word time - this will be the last time

Hi Greytraveller,

I dont mean "phase" as the way the Michael Raduga means, I was referring to the technique of phasing as per Frank Kepple

I know I used a supplement to aid this but throughout all of the projections I honestly felt I learned sooo much.  Like I said I will not be replacing my current practices, I mean I love meditation and I love the feeling of achievement when I succeed and ultimately I am doing this because I want to learn and I fully agree that supplements arent the end goal, but this was a very interesting experiment.  Ive said this in other posts recently but I REALLY feel like learning to project is like riding a bike - people can tell you how to do it, but you need to find the mental understanding for the techniques to work.  I have projected without aid many times and I feel like I am getting the knack, however when I projected so much (albeit aided) this morning I honestly kind of clicked into the understanding part of it more than ever.  Things like (and I know I may not be verbalising these feelings well) focusing on the blackness and sinking into it, like learning to separate the physical environment from the non-physical when phasing and being able to remain passive whilst also being aware of both physical and non and knowledgeably moving from one to the other.  Also that sleep paralysis is not required to project and that I fricken hated it!  Not sure if you can relate to these descriptions but i'm trying to convey that these multiple projections helped me take a crash course.  Normally I project.  Then its a few days or a week (or more!) til I do it again.  I feel like I learn something every time but the gap in between experiences seems to lessen the impact of the learning I made previously.  Today I had at least 20 separate experiences all grouped together and the lessons I learned are much more deeply embedded and I am 100% sure that this experience will aid my natural projections.  

I completely agree with Xanths (sorry the _Ryan is new to me as ive been away ) post creating a disclaimer and I do not encourage anyone to do this, especially for someone trying to do this for the first time and to be honest, even I was a bit blown away by this so its definitely not something I would suggest for a first timer.  But for me, personally I am glad I did it.  I honestly dont know if I will do it again any time soon or maybe even again using supplements but I am glad I did it this once.

About the distance from my physical body thing - ive never experienced this before.  The only possible reason I can suggest is that when I project naturally, my energy levels are correct for projection.  When I did this using supplements, I did it (in a way) artificially.  Yes the lessons were good but maybe I wasnt energetically "topped up" for it.

EDIT TO ADD: I know they arent a substance you ingest and therefore not physically harmful, but people regularly "supplement" their projection efforts with Binaurals. 

I'm just telling you to be wary of what you put in your body in the effort to do something you can fully do yourself

I CAN do it myself and have done so many times in the past and also recently.  I tried this simply to see what it did, not to replace my current practices.  I would NEVER recommend artificial means to someone to get their first experience, however I have already had mine and many more so this is not something that will be my only way to experience the non-physical and therefore will never NEED to have it.  I wanted to try it, and I did. 

I'm pretty sure its not specifically good for you, but the quantities taken are tiny so I really doubt the occasional Galantamine cap is anything to worry about.  I do know alcohol takes longer to be filtered through the liver though. 

Anyway, I didnt intend this to be a question of health or anything else - I am someone who already can project and who decided to see what happened with this - people have experimented with worse!  I just wanted to relay my experience.  I would always recommend people research fully the effect of ANY kind of supplement and decide for themselves (which I did  )

So until a couple of weeks ago I had never heard of Galantamine.  In fact I never knew supplements such as this existed.  Since I first heard of it, it kept appearing randomly to me.  So, taking this as a sign I bought some along with some Choline.  It arrived yesterday but I have a massive 13 hour photoshoot today (starting in like 2 hours time!) so I wasn't going to try it.  Anyway, I woke at 3am and felt that I was ready to phase so I decided I would see what the supplements would do.  I took them and lay in bed for probably 30 mins until I fell asleep.  During this time I wasn't attempting to phase.  Almost immediately I started dreaming and I became lucid within seconds.  What followed is what I can only describe as an orgy of projections which had me questioning reality on many occasions.  I had countless RTZ projections - every time I "woke up" (although most of them were false awakenings) all I had to do was focus on blackness and remaining still and I would literally SLIP into the RTZ.  I couldn't remain "in" my body, I would just flop out onto the floor.  One thing about the RTZ projections was that they were very dark and I had trouble moving, which never happened to me before.  On one occasion I was crawling around trying to stand up and someone grabbed my arm.  I said "get the f*** off" and I woke up immediately.  Then I heard a voice which sounded like the Sugar Puffs Honey Monster saying "fingers fingers gimme fingers" haha. 

I wont go into details about all the experience as I would be here all day.  After that I heard countless voices, babies crying, popping and fizzing noises every single time my consciousness shifted even the tiniest bit and experienced phasing into my hypnogics many times.  Also many times heard my sleeping wife talking. For the first time ever I experienced sleep paralysis.  During it I was merged between physical and RTZ and honestly, why people try to get it I will never know. Its a pain in the arse.  You don't need SP to project and to me experiencing it was akin to being stuck in a traffic jam when you need to pee.  I felt like I was stuck in slow motion!  During one of the SPs I kept drifting between physical reality, SP and RTZ.  I was trying to talk to my wife in one coherent sentence and she literally only heard the parts when I was drifting into the physical.  It was a complete sentence to me, but she only got the parts when I was physical.
 
Towards the end of the experience (which was about 30 mins ago!) I was freely and at will phasing into any locale I envisioned and when I was there it was 100% real but for some reason the reality kept fading after about 20 seconds, however I would immediately wake up and go right back.  Often times I was false awakening (I know because it wasn't my room for example) and then phasing straight from a false awakening.  It was truly bizarre.

I read alot about these supplements before I tried them.  Basically all they do is stimulate the creation of the chemical which is naturally produced during REM, essentially giving you more REM which means more chance for projection.  They are both perfectly legal supplements bought over the counter.  Good info can be found here if anyone is interested http://lucidallnight.wordpress.com/2008/01/03/galantamine-and-choline-a-guide/

I will say it isnt for the faint of heart as it was pretty intense, but I will also say that it does work!

Yup!  REM time is the ideal time to lucid dream or phase into a dream/projection.

Congrats man!

I will try to though.

I think you would be better off focusing your attention on the overall goal of projection rather than just on SP. 

Ive personally never tried for, or experienced sleep paralysis.  Its like the Vibrations.  People set them as a goal.  I see posts such as "how do I get sleep paralysis" and "how do I get vibrations" when they really should be focussing on the end result of projecting.  Things such as SP and vibrations are simply signals along the way to projecting and some people get neither but can project just fine.

Non-Physical perception is non-physical - meaning we dont use our physical eyes.  The only reason we perceive things visually is because thats what we are used to.  So yes, blind people can project.

I considered going skydiving to get a good reference for a falling sensation but I was too scared. Glad I didnt now lol.

You KNOW you're falling, and at a certain height you get "ground rush" where you can notice the ground rapidly getting closer (it appears similar in distance until you get to about 7000ft at which point it rushes at you) but as far as the usual falling sensations you get when falling from a static object caused by the movement of your internal bits (I think thats what causes it anyway!) you dont get that

I can kind of manage the skydiving feeling now. Just keep at it. I find visualizing helps. Jump off the edge of a cliff and see it fly away. Try and feel the wind resistance pushing against you. Hear the wind racing past your ears. I find if you get the little details right the falling sensation comes easier.

Hmm, Skydiving has been my hobby for 9 years - not sure if you have done it but there is no falling feeling whatsoever as far as physical senses go!!  The momentum of the plane means you are already moving when you exit.  You kind of fall in a curved L shape as you slowly decelerate but as you are already moving horizontally as you exit, you dont feel a falling sensation at all.  If you skydive from a static object such as a balloon or Heli or BASE jumping then yes, you feel a falling sensation but not from a plane   Off topic but I would suggest finding another falling sensation over skydiving because if its from a plane, it doesnt exist

Here you go - scroll down to the part about Franks Model of the  Wider Reality

http://www.astralpulse.com/frankkepple.html

The fact that you were doing Reiki opened you up to you own consciousness.

Yes that really sounds right.  Its happened before through Reiki (opening up myself) but I have never even considered using it as a step in my projections.  Now I will

Lucid dreams are different from OBES though right?

Thanks man.

Are lucid dreams different to OBEs?  Well its funny because this is strangely the 3'rd time I have talked about this today!  I posted this on another thread:

"I think that the term OBE is misleading.  When the early pioneers of this art coined the term, I think it was likely because they felt they WERE their body, and therefore when they experienced a conscious shift, they felt that because their body was lying in bed they must have been "out of body".  In reality, as others have mentioned, we are consciousness and while in normal physical reality, our consciousness is focused "in" our physical body "WE" are really everywhere, just our focus is different."

Basically I think the terminology, is just that - terminology.  Words to describe how people feel in a certain state, however its my belief that all states are just different "areas" of consciousness - including physical reality.  I have no proof of course, but it stands to reason - what are we doing when we OBE?  Projecting our consciousness "out" of our body.  What are we doing when we astral project?  Projecting our consciousness to what is termed as The Astral.  What are we doing when we LD?  For these I think we are projecting our consciousness also, however we just wake up when we are already there!  Likewise with Phasing, its just the same except you're along for the journey  

Many (x many!) people are way more experienced than me who may know different, however this is based on my personal experience and what I would say is a logical conclusion.  If we are projecting our consciousness elsewhere in each different case, surely they are the same?

Do OBE's resemble this, or was this perhaps a lucid dream? I'm still not sure of the difference.

Yes to me it resembles and OBE - but so do Lucid Dreams   I personally think the definitions given are irrelevant.  I actually just posted this on another thread earlier...

"I think that the term OBE is misleading.  When the early pioneers of this art coined the term, I think it was likely because they felt they WERE their body, and therefore when they experienced a conscious shift, they felt that because their body was lying in bed they must have been "out of body".  In reality, as others have mentioned, we are consciousness and while in normal physical reality, our consciousness is focused "in" our physical body "WE" are really everywhere, just our focus is different."

You can see the thread http://www.astralpulse.com/forums/welcome_to_out_of_body_experiences/astral_projection_and_obe-t35241.0.html

Basically, traditionally there were 3 main terms used to describe different states of consciousness (there are more, but I am limiting them - I am not including various states obtained through meditation for example)

1-OBE - I think this term refers to experiences where you feel you are out of your body, maybe when you are floating around earth
2-Astral Projection (AP) - when you project your consciousness to other realms or planes
3-Lucid Dreams - where you become lucid in a dream

My view is that all are one and the same.  When you think (or IF you think) that we are simply consciousness then all of the above can be grouped together as various points along the continuum of consciousness.  I would certainly group together AP's and LD's - I think these take place in the same "place" (although physical spatial rules dont apply).  By "place" I mean the areas of consciousness.  With OBE's I am still not 100% sure because I have verified things whilst having an OBE from physical reality - maybe its like a less physical copy of the physical we reside in normally?

There is a great post somewhere from a guy called Frank Kepple (trust me, if you hang around long enough, like a few hours, you will hear his name!) which goes into a great description of the areas of consciousness.  So I think when you have what is traditionally called an OBE, you are just on a certain point in consciousness, one thats maybe close to the physical.  Likewise with LDs and APs - just different areas of the same continuum of consciousness.

Ill try to find the link to Franks post and post it here.

Affirmations are basically positive statements said in the present tense, for example "I will remember my OBE tonight" - normally repeated over a few times.  But you really have to believe it. 

Hi Linaeve, welcome.

First of all you will get many varying opinions (some very strong!) regarding negative entities (negs) on this board.  Some believe they truly exist as actual conscious beings, while others (including myself) believe they are simply manifestations of your inner fear.  Bear in mind that up until this point, no harm has ever come to you.  Yes you are terrified, but other than that has any harm come to you?  Hopefully this fact can ease your fear.  When you ease your fear, be open to the experience.  Ok so this thing is trying to pull you from your body and you are scared, understandable.  But nothing has happened to harm you.  

Alot of people come to astral projection because they WANT to first.  Others (like you) have had experiences first.  In my experience, those who have experiences before first knowing about astral projection often get scared because they dont know what is happening.  Those who know about it first and WANT it, arent scared because this is what they are trying to experience.  The difference between those who are scared and those who arent is that (again, in my view) the manifestation of negative entities is more present in those with fear that those without fear.

I would speculate that the negative experiences you have had are because you were scared of what was happening because you didnt know what it was.  This fear snowballed and manifested itself as a neg.  Now every time you experience it the fear is always present which again manifests itself as a negative entity.  The positive experience you had came about when you were ill, which (again speculation) could point to the fact you were ill and wanted to get better - this desire manifested itself as a positive entity who did as you desired.

Overall I think that what you (and everyone else) feels (be that fear or desire for something good) manifests itself to you when in an altered state of consciousness (and indeed in normal daily life, but thats another topic).

You've heard the term "face your demons" or similar.  My advice to you would be to do just that.  If something feels like its pulling you and you dont want it to, tell it to stop.  If it doesnt stop, kick it in the nuts!

Im sure other people will have other views, but this is mine.  Good luck!

I think that the term OBE is misleading.  When the early pioneers of this art coined the term, I think it was likely because they felt they WERE their body, and therefore when they experienced a conscious shift, they felt that because their body was lying in bed they must have been "out of body".  In reality, as others have mentioned, we are consciousness and while in normal physical reality, our consciousness is focused "in" our physical body "WE" are really everywhere, just our focus is different.

Thanks.
I had picked up a book on astral project in the library, which the author who also thought he had sleep paralysis or a mental disorder was also "pulled from his body. I had felt this before I ever tried to project (and it freaked me out)- anyway he say's it is your higher self or spirit guide pulling/assisting you out. I dont think I was nervous or afraid before, but I will not to be now.
wheather or not you actually leave the body or shift consciouness I am eager to find out, if thats possible.

Hi Idontknow, out of interest, what is the book?

Elenin is supposed to pass earth at its closest something like 21 MILLION miles away.  Its size is 100 billionth the size of the moon, which (according to http://www.elenincomet.org) means "its tidal pull on Earth will be equal to about one hundred trillionth of the Moon" - I wouldnt say this is cause for concern.  Of course unless its really a big spaceship hell bent on destroying us..

Hey All,

I just want to share a really great experience I had last night and this morning.  

Ok so about 6 months ago I completed a Reiki course up to Level 3 in Usui Reiki (Master Level).  Ive been using it on and off since then with mixed results (bear with me, this is not just about Reiki!).  Lately I have had pretty bad eye strain likely caused by excessive computer use.  Anyway, i've found that performing self healing when I go to bed has massively helped to the point of the pain completely disappearing within minutes.  Last night I was listening to TMI Out of Body Condition B as I lay in bed whilst also performing Self Healing Reiki.  I entered a pretty deep trance while doing this.  When I came back to normal consciousness after about 30 minutes my hands (which were still performing Reiki) were literally buzzing - I could hear and feel it, it was the most intense energetic reaction ive ever had doing Reiki.  During the trance I was absorbed in extremely detailed hypnogic imagery.  When I regained full normal consciousness and my hands were buzzing I decided to do it again.  This time I fell asleep.  

During the night I kept waking, tossing and turning unable to sleep.  On one occasion I put ear plugs in because I could hear the A/C which was keeping me awake.  At this point I kept slipping into dreams.  In one dream I was at my previous place of work as an IT Service Desk Manager and I had forgotten my laptop.  I was a bit pee'd off but then I realised "wait there, I dont do IT anymore im a photographer!  Why am I pee'd off?"  Then I became lucid.  It was the most real lucid experience ever.  I shifted location to a hotel.  I was walking around the hotel in real time and every step was 100% real.  During this time my lucidity, or should I say the solidness of my lucidity kept slipping (I was still 100% lucid but the reality of it kept getting less).  I woke up physically a few times but then kept phasing back into my dream.  I did this probably around 10 times and by the 10th time I was getting the knack of waking up and managing to phase back into my hypnogic imagery back into my "dream".  It was truly amazing.  Every time the world around me was slipping, I learned how to bring it back to a solid reality.  I have never had this skill before - lucid dreams usually lasted a few seconds and when ever I have phased into hypnogic imagery I have almost immediately popped back to physical reality, however this time I nailed it.  I was conversing with my "dream" characters in a very real way.  I was even telling them "listen, my reality keeps slipping, what can I do to regain it?" - and they helped me do so.  They told me to rub my hands, focus on objects and keep talking. It worked!!  The individuality of the characters personalities in my dream was unbelievable - they seemed to be fully conscious, although this is speculation.  

I mentioned the Reiki because I am wondering if the Reiki energy helped elevate me somehow to another level of consciousness.

Overall, it was an amazing experience and for some reason I really feel like I can do the same again - it was like riding a bike, falling off then getting back on with each time getting better at it.  

Anyway, ive noticed in my last few posts I have maybe gone on too much, but it was excellent!!

EDIT TO ADD: One other thing, when I woke up fully this morning, I did not have ear plugs in - which leads me to think that maybe all the tossing and turning during the night were false awakenings.

\can you remember if the checklist of skills was astral related, like consciousness tricks and energy manipulation,  or physically related like stuff you would use in physical reality. 

I really cant remember, but I had the feeling that whoever it was "teaching" me was a bit annoyed that I kept disappearing to have a False Awakening!  Unfortunately I really dont recall what the content was

Hello All,

I have just woken up from a very strange lucid-ish dream.  I say lucid-ish because I was 100% aware I was dreaming but my vision was as if I was underwater!

In the dream, I woke up in my parents house back in England (I often dream about being there, which is odd....) I knew I was dreaming immediately because my vision was messed up.  It was like I was underwater sort of - everything was shimmering and wobbling.  I tried to focus on individual items and this stablised my vision but then when I stopped focusing my vision went nuts again.  I then walked into the bathroom.  My movements felt sluggish and heavy.  I got to the bathroom and looked in the mirror and my face was constantly changing.  Kinda moving and distorting, if you know what I mean?  I was 100% aware of this and could think perfectly clear.  I even remembered techniques to gain more clarity and prolong the dream.  I requested clarity - nothing!  I rubbed my hands together - every physical sensation was exactly how it would feel in the physical.   I also tried willing myself to another location - no joy.

Except from my vision being messed, and the fact I was in a house I now live 4000miles away from - the rules to this dream felt very physical.  Normally in LD's I can float, fly and do all manner of things - this was different. 

Can anyone offer a possible suggestion as to why this dream seemed bound by physical rules?  And why my vision was messed?! This is the very first time ive had issues with my vision when non-physical.

It is literally just affirmations to myself as I go to sleep.  I say to myself (sometimes out loud if my wife isnt about ) "I will wake up 3 hours after I fall asleep" - I repeat this a few times and then just go to sleep trying to remember my intention as I fall asleep.

This used to work for me 80% of the time I guess, now its very rare - but I have only just restarted my practices.

Greetings AstralBeginnings
I agree with c0sm0nautt, that Was a Cool experience.
I also like false awakenings (FAs). A FA challenges the very core belief that a person knows whether he/she is awake or dreaming. After experiencing a FA it is not so easy to take that for granted. Having had many FAs before is one reason why I now perform Reality Checks (RC) several times a day. I like to term RCs "State Tests" (as in what State of consciousness am I now in). The idea is to make RCs a habit and then perform one during a dream, thereby becoming lucid.
btw I once had 3 FAs in one night and all three FAs soon led directly to an OBE. So it is possible to convert a FA into either an OBE or a LD.

Regards 
Grey

Yeah I really want to make RCs a habit but I always forget!