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I'm sorry but... lolwut?

You probably already know it, Monroe's AA was an alien too, from KT-95. I think
he said in one radio interview that 8 % of Earth's population have their first
human experience ever. Also look at Lady Gaga's face, her nose, her way of
talking. The signs are there, mind over matter. From UJ, page 183:

"And there are also the nonhuman intelligences. We have tried to steer you
away from them, as much as we can.

[Monroe] Why?

Some early encounters with some of us did not work out well. They do not regard
humans in the way we thought they might. They have a sense of superiority
because they have evolved in a different direction."
---


And further - Monroe, UJ, page 194-195:

"Now there is one more area to cover. The Nonhuman Intelligences.

[Monroe] What do I need to know about them?

. . . They know more about (M) Field resonance than you do. Those who
used to be human are the ones you need to look out for."
---


But there are also benevolent Aliens; see Monroe, UJ, pages 168-169, 183:

"That was one of Talo's tricks."

"You may ask Talo. He is the only working nonhuman we have with us."
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You remember HeShe (UJ, page 51).

Lady Gaga is the same, maybe more now. She has introduced the Variable (UJ page 53, 276 et al).
She may even be the Variable, Messiahs.
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How many are they? Monroe writes in UJ, page 68:

"One in hundered thousands?"

Monroe, UJ, page 190:

"...at least six thousand, who will never be publicly known, possess
what may be called incredibly ability. This figure can be reduced even
more, leaving us with six hundred humans..."

Reduce that number even more and you will have 6 humans, Heshe,
Ladya Gaga and who else?

Or maybe Lady Gaga _only_?

The Messiahs.

Now you have created a thoughtform.

Perhaps any method works (or doesn't work) for different people? W Buhlman has
described more than 40 different methods for OBE, but he hasn't any explanation
why so many people have difficulties succeeding with OBEs.

So in light of that, it may be worth noticing that Raduga doesn't believe in OBEs into the RTZ.
At least not in the Monroe sense (for example "pinching" people).

Perhaps it's more about putting intent, than using any specific method? Many persons
have reported OBEs just happening randomly or by some seemingly unrelated event.

Good luck with your log, I'll read if you post.

There are some news about this in Swedish media, date 2012-07-15:
http://www.aftonbladet.se/nyheter/article15115975.ab

My online translator broke but here is some translations:

"Electronics has inexplicably broken, it's as if something doesn't want us to be
there, says one treasure team member.

Our side scanner broke down, a cable, to the robot we use, burnt and electronics
in the boat stopped working.

Last time something similar happened. Our satellite phones stopped working. It is
as if something doesn't want us to be there.

Yesterday, Anders Autellus, former captain of the Swedish submarine fleet, said he
thought the circle was part of an old Nazi or Soviet submarine trap. That theory is
rejects by one member of the treasure team.

We wanted to determine whether it is man-made, but we can not. We are not a bit
wiser now than before, quite the contrary. I can't explain what caused the stone slits
to have 90-degree edges.

When the former submarine captain Autellus hears about the destroyed electronics,
he has a few different proposals on what it can depend on.

- There may be something that the Soviet Union placed there. A underwater-based
listening station - a sort of alarm to warn war ships that a submarine is in the area.

The teams says, we are going out again as soon as we've changed equipment."

Normally we don't think that our bodies can be taken over by spirits while OBE.
But in this video clip Bruce Moen talks about an event, where someone actually
got partly taken over as that person did use an OBE practice which was bad.

Moen is perhaps not talking as clearly as possible, but he is old now and has heart
failure problems, so it's kind of an age and health problem for the man. Also the
sound and light is not so good, but I still think it's an interesting Moen clip, compared
to lengthy clips on youtube where little new info is presented.

What's interesting is also that this is first of all a partnered retrieval and second of
all it's one of those retrievals where Moen uses a method different than sending
PUL, as the discarnate person is rejecting PUL.

If the sound at any stage makes you fall asleep, your head phones work.

Heshe will be working for a very long time. At the time Monroe met Heshe,
that person already had the age of 1800 years.

but if so only into the lower astral realms 

I actually consider the possibility that she is the new Messiahs. And that she
upholds contact with the greys on every projection. Who else do you think
will save the human world from its own destruction?

I think Lady Gaga projects.

Lionheart, have you considered that you extraordinary ability is something you
had in yourself and is not something by Steve Jones? That Steve G Jones is in
fact a scam, and you did fine on your own.

There seem to be very few other testimonies telling anything other than failure,
except those from Jones own marketing web page.

The lack of independent scientific studies is also strange.

Send her love and allow her to be absorbed by you. She may be an Aspect of Self,
who wants back.

(done "Moen" style)

FACTORY WORKER 1 - RETIRED WORKER

This retrieval I started with doing a session sitting up. Normally
I lie down, but this time I was sitting in my bed.

I could sense a recliner chair at my right side in my apartment. How
strange I thought, I had such a chair in my previous apartment, but
didn't bring it with me.

Was this some kind of scene from a previous apartment owner? I was
a little doubtful as I am pretty sure that I already retrieved the
previous owner who haunted my apartment, and I have not since then felt
his presence. That owner was kind of angry for me being in "his" apartment.

Nevertheless I did my best to sense what it could be. Now I sensed more
furniture beside the recliner chair. There was an oval table in the
typical 1950ies style of dark brown wood. And there was a second chair.
The two chairs were not exactly recliners either, but more a sort of
"comfy" chairs. There was some kind of low furniture to the wall, behind
the table and between the chairs. I wonder what that piece of furniture
was against the wall, perhaps a second low, slim table for keeping a radio?

In the first chair I could now see an old man in his 70ies, I got the
impression that he was retired. He didn't seem to be the person who expected
too much of his world. He was just sitting there. Perhaps he sometimes
read a newspaper in that chair?

I could also notice a small cloth on the table. The cloth only covered the
central area of the oval table and there seemed to be some kind of adornment
object on the middle of the table cloth.

The feeling of the room and the building of the house was of the 1960ies, but
even if the furniture were rather new and nice, they had a simple 1950ies feeling
to them. Perhaps this retired owner had bought his furniture before he moved into
the apartment?

The man was short, mostly bald, with a small head and I didn't feel the he was
too bright or that he expected much of his future. He wore a regular shirt
of the 1950ies era and a simple, pale blue, woollen vest. He had regular
trousers of someone being indoor.

I began to speak to him. He didn't react much to me, like it was normal that
I was in his apartment. I could feel that he was a "slow starter", so things
would probably proceed not that fast.

I asked him if he had thought of moving somewhere else? I then told him that
there were a lot of new houses built for retired workers just like him, these
houses were much nicer than his small apartment.

He seemed a little interested, so I showed him a catalogue with photos of
the newly built houses. "And they are for free", I said. I again told him
that the new houses were intendedly built for a person like him. Perhaps he
was interested in going to see these houses.

The strange thing was that when I showed him the house catalogue, I saw myself
in third person, so I don't know if I split or if there already was a helper
doing the remaining job.

I could sense, or he told me, that he didn't want too much change, and he was
a little worried that he couldn't get his furniture with him or that the new
house would be very different than his apartment.

I send him some PUL in the hope that he will move more easily.

I told him that there was a room exactly identical to the room he had his chairs
and table in, so his current furniture would be placed in an identical position
compared to his current apartment. And then there were more rooms in the house,
rooms which he could use for any purpose.

I was trying to get helpers step in. And I was also a little concerned how
we were going to move his furniture. Perhaps I had taken on the retired
workers feelings?

Click?

I don't think I clicked out as I was sitting up, but for some moments I lost
the feeling of the presence of the retired worker. Could he have been working
in a factory, perhaps as a harbour worker or building houses himself. I couldn't
tell. Perhaps he had had many different jobs?

Suddenly I'm in a car in the left part of the passenger seat. To my right is
the retired worker. We are both looking out his car window to his right. I can
see some houses and realizes that those houses are the "new houses" we are
heading for.

The surroundings look like they have been a mixture of fields and some minor forest
or at least there have been trees at the area before. The trees have been taken
down to give place for new houses.

I don't think the area looks to fancy. I in fact think the surroundings look
a little poor, barren and not too tidy. Like a cheap region outside the town
where not too expensive houses have been raised. The ground is covered with
dry yellow grass. I can see a few remaining trees on hills at a distance to
my left. It doesn't look like the ideal place to move to.

We turn right around a corner and up a road. We arrive at a street junction to
various newly built houses.

At some kind of machinery or rubble a lot of house construction workers sit
and drink beer and have a party. They look very happy as they seem to be finished
with the work. When we approach, the house construction workers begin to sing.
I get the feeling of the happy seven dwarfs in Snow White. The workers all look
rather old, around their 50ies.

I get the impression that "my" retired worker comes in better mode when he
sees and hears the construction workers sing. "They have a beer now.", he
says.

Click, there is a short click here, and I'm suddenly behind the retired
worker. At his left side a person is showing him the open entrance door
to one of the houses. I watch as the retried worker enters his house.

---

Scene fades and I get the feeling that a second retrieval is going to start.

I'm unsure if I got the retired worker to F 27 or just to some BST area,
without a regular Belief System.
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FACTORY WORKER 2 - INSIDE DIRTY FACTORY

This was a much shorter retrieval, if it was a retrieval at all. It kind of
cut short.

I could sense a factory with a lot of machinery. The factory was very dirty
and all machines were running at their fullest. There was a lot of turning
wheels. I got the impression that the era could be the 1940ies or 1950ies.

I also sensed a worker in a dirty blue or grey coverall. He was about 55 years,
and taller than the retired worker I had helped to his new house.

This coverall worker was actively working in this factory. He was more assertive
and perhaps a little commanding. He clearly liked his work.

The factory seemed old in some sense, perhaps too mechanical, and not with
the regular worker safety equipment. Lots of moving parts close to people.
Greasy wheels, moving straps, open transmissions and similar.

I also sense two or three other workers. I can't figure out if they are thoughtforms
or if this area is sort of consensus BST for factory workers.

I try to talk to the coverall worker, and he listens a little to me, but I don't
seem to be too successful in sending him any message. I am a little at a loss,
but goes for the "something new" idea. I tell him the management of the factory
has build a new section, and I wonder if he would like to move inte that new,
more modern part of the factory.

I have great problems both of getting visuals and pick up feelings of this
coverall worker. I try to send some PUL, but my attempts seem feeble at best.

Things eventually fade into darkness, and no matter how much creative visualization
I use, I don't get anything else than my own images.
---

I have a more relaxed session in silent meditation style, not much happens.

An hour passes and I try to bring back any image of the coverall worker.

I can see a small, shiny metal wheel with a handle. The wheel is part of a
machinery and I can see a worker's hand gripping around it and moving the
wheel around by help of the handle. Then I get to see the rest of the machine.
It's huge. They seem to lower some big object.

I can't figure out if the machinery is working on some piece of a big manufactured
product with a cutting miller, or if the machine is assembling something.

I sense the coverall worker here and at least two other workers, who don't
seem to be thoughtforms.

The factory seems less dirty, there are more shiny machinery, and also seems
more modern & fresh.
---

Much later I realize that the machine was not working on a product, the machine
was assembled itself by the workers. It was a new, less dirty machine in the
new part of the factory.
---

If these retrievals weren't fully moves to F 27, they instead showed that people
may move through Focuses in steps, rather than in one go.

Perhaps they were being prepared for re-birth?

Check out this video here, the part you want to listen to starts at the 1:00:00 hour mark and goes for 7 minutes.

Well, perhaps that helps someone, but at the same time you may need to
follow a lot of beliefs to take in all what Campbell says. You have to believe
that you're not in your body, you have to believe that your body is virtual,
you have to believe that your consciousness is not in your brain, you have
to believe that your brain doesn't really exist, you have to believe that
the physical reality doesn't actually exist either, etc.

A lot of beliefs. They could cause more harm.

baths, I mean baths

vinegar baths

Could u nail a net around your window frame?

It also reduces the amount of disturbing bats during the nights.

In my opinion, one of the more complete lists of the Monroe Focuses is presented
in Suddenly Psychic as M Caudill lists the Focuses from C 1 to F 49 (she also
mentions a few others). The problem with most such lists are that they
often are kind of sketchy in my mind.

The most complete description of the Focuses from 23 - 27 has probably
been written by B Moen as he writes almost only about retrievals. And then
there is of course Monroe in the later part of Ultimate Journey.

There also is The Brown Book written by -K- (yes), and the text content is
the result of several TMI programs, with for example Focus 15 - 49. It
should be noted that the author -K-, uses the concept of "density" and
similar, which I don't see as purely Monroe schoolish.

Other than that, I think it would be interesting if anyone can relay the latest
material from TMI from their more advance programs, as I think those are
the sources to many Focuses little known (and beyond F 49).

I have a reaccuring dream, since I have been a child. . . . Any help to stop would be appreciated.

The late Robert Monroe had a recurring dream described in Ultimate Journey. The dreams
stopped coming back once Monroe started having his out of body experiences (OBEs).

See Ultimate Journey, page 148 & 170. One of Monroe's guides tells Monroe, during
one of Monoroe's OBEs that the recurring dreams were "practice sessions", when
Monroe went to his guides (or their region) during sleep.

Could your recurring dreams be some kind of practice you get for becoming skilled in
remote viewing or training to see into the future?

[more structured in a question way]

Well, Lionheart, you explained a bit more, but part of your text is unstructured
in such a fashion that it could have been written by a kid in 8th grade.

I know we use some words (like ROTE, REBAL, BST, etc) which we seldom
explain in our posts, but as your post is about LDing, perhaps you could have
explained the re-scripting concept at the start. I have not been able to do
anything like that in my short LDs.

I don't know if this way of writing sometimes just seeps in, like the thread where
Contenteo is without answer and Xanth eventually has to run to Contenteo's
rescue, or if it's the result of your or others impatience.

An example of something more structured in a question way, at least in my opinion,
could for example be the thread about "the dream" as a Monroe concept. I did my
best to make it clear what background I arrived from and made the content as
readable & complete as possible.

I don't mind too much new people (skilled as they may be on OBEs) to write simple
thread entries like "Finally managed to fly in my OBE - I have a question", as these
persons sometimes have less than 30 entries into the forum and may not be that
uses to writing something others are expected to read.

I don't know why some posts become this incomplete, sometimes I wonder if it's the
result of Hollywood storylines with incomplete logic, like the recent movie Prometheus?
Perhaps our society has become so used to poor narrative from media, with lack of a
sequence of events in a way which makes sense? (Family Guy being one more example.)

Well, Lionheart, this was a long intro from my part. Please overbear with me, but I had
to mention it at some point in time. I know that sometimes I end up with walls of text
as well, but at least I try to add space (newlines) and keep the right margin not too long.

Here is a suggestion to what I would like to have seen in structure (you may want to
write it in a different way, though), I use triple quotes to start and end the text block:
----------------------------------------------------------------


"""
Hi, I'm Lionheart. I have a question. But first two definitions:

Re-scripting = This is an action which only can be done in an LD. Re-scripting means to
restart part (or the whole) of an LD, just using the ability of your mind. Re-scripting
could be viewed as a kind of "reset". The re-scripting is used when the turn of events
in the LD have reached a state which the person LDing doesn't like. While the re-scripting
takes effect, my dream environment may go black for a short moment (similar to when
you become awake from an LD), and then the LD dream environment comes back.

Tags = In my text below I'll use tags like Zigma, Phi etc. These tags are just a substitute
for names of dream states I really lack names to. But I have to call these dream states
something as they seem different to me, compared to my regular LD state. Don't take the
tag names as having any literal meaning, they could be anything, for example be called
Mary, Jill etc.
--

So much for definitions. Now I'll describe my dream which is the basis for my question and
my dream is needed for your (the reader's) evaluation of my question. It starts like this:

"Regular dream. I'm in a regular dream which turns into an LD.

Lucid dream. I'm now in the LD with fully aware LD awareness. The chain of events turn out
bad, so I re-script the LD. In fact I have to re-script the LD twice. I don't lose my LD awareness
at any time during this stage of the dream.

Lucid dream - altered awareness Sigma. At some point into the LD, I sort of am reduced in LD awareness.
I can't say exactly what kind of awareness I have, but I know something is different, more poor in
terms of lucidity and clearness of mind. I'm in a person's house (a dream character's), and I ask that
person if I can visit his bathroom in the house. I had no intention of asking to go visit the bathroom,
my question came as a complete surprise to me, so perhaps I was not in control any longer in my LD,
and I don't know if I could consider my state of mind to be fully LD aware. The person in the house
allows me to use his bathroom and I start to move towards the bathroom.

Lucid dream - altered awareness Phi. While approaching the bathroom, my impression of my
surroundings change. Or perhaps my awareness changes, I can't really tell. What happens is
nevertheless that my surroundings in the house (and my view of the bathroom door opening)
suddenly feels much more real, and less dream like. The realness feeling is close to the feeling
I have when being in real awake reality. Question is though if I was still having lucidity in the sense
of being in control of knowing where I was and having control over my own action? This may sound
like an incomplete explanation, but that's the best I can type down right now. I really am puzzled.
Though, I manage to enter the bathroom at this altered state of awareness.

Awake. I immediately wake up from the dream and feel an urgent need to go to the bathroom.
I'm fully awake in my physical body in physical reality. I go to the bathroom."
--

Well, this was my (Lionhearts) dream. There was no False Awakening during my dream. At no time did
I see myself waking up (from a third person perspective) and going to my real bathroom in physical
reality. The bathroom was part of the dream until I woke up.

When I became awake, I was awake, and walked to my real bathroom being completely in physical reality.

Here comes my question. What happened to me?
"""
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Well, Lionheart. Here is my (Pauli2's) response.

Having listened to several of Buhlman's youtube clips and having read Monroe's & S Muldoon's writings
I make the following assumption and also a fair guess. According to Monroe, Far Journeys, page 78
(Broadway Books edition, 2001 (1985)), he had three bodies; the physical body, a second nonphysical
body close (3-4 inches away) to the physical, and then he had his third nonphysical body from which
he observed the two other bodies.

There are other reports of this, that we have more than one nonphysical body when going OBE, but I'll
stop making book references as everyone keeps coming back, banging me on my head and invalidating
those additional book references as they are "not your own experiences".

Nevertheless, Muldoon introduced the concept "cord-activity range". That means that within that range,
if you become aware in your nonphysical bodies, you will be pulled back into your physical body,
or at least feel the pull of your physical body. If you manage to somehow (Muldoon explains various
methods) manage to move your non-physical body away from you physical body so you get out of
cord-activity range, and then become aware in your non-physical body, you will be able to stay OBE
for quite some time.

Muldoon further explains that when you dream, you have a nonphysical dream body (somewhere) which
acts independently of your nonphysical cord-activity range (OBE) body in the real world.


So we have three bodies and we can do the following makeshift definitions.

The physical body = The body we see much of the time in physical reality.

The cord-range body = Monroe called it the "second body" in FJ, but didn't mention this difference
in his later books. Buhlman uses other ways to put a name on this "second body". We could call it
the "short range RTZ OBE body" if we want to. I don't like it, but this second body may be named
"etheric", too.

The dream body = This name is used by Muldoon and a multitude of other names exists. Monroe called
this nonphysical body the "Third Body" (see ref to FJ above), but it's not sure that this is the same body as the
dream body, because Monroe was able to move around in the RTZ as well, in his Third body. So perhaps it's not a
dream body alone, as Monroe was able to move it a similar way to the "short range RTZ OBE body", so we could
call it the "combined long range RTZ OBE & dream body", if we want to. This third may be called "astral"
by some people, perhaps...


Those very home made definitions above, of the three bodies involved may give a possible explanation
to Lionhearts experience. ->

Before state Sigma or at entrance of state Sigma, Lionheart's "sleeping", or at least, very unaware cord-range
body felt the physical body's urge to go to the bathroom. This most likely made the cord-range body move
from the close proximity of the physical body towards the bathroom in physical reality. Yes, the cord-range
body moved on its own. Perhaps this movement could be attributed to Eeden's/RB's mind-split effect as well?

Meantime, in state Sigma, Lionheart partly lost lucidity (in my opinion), as he began exiting his dream. He also
began returning back to his physical body, first entering the cord-range body. When Lionheart entered state Phi,
his dream body merged with his cord-range body. This state of being can be viewed as doing a RTZ OBE, because
now Lionheart had left the dream world and entered the nonphysical body close to his physical body

Because Lionheart's cord-range body was within cord-range activation (about 8-15 feet), Muldoon states that the pull
from the physical body will take effect on his nonphysical body. During that short moment, when Lioneart is inside
his cord-range body, but still outside his physical body, Lionheart experiences a great improvement of the feeling
of "realness" to his experience. Lionheart is OBE.

Then, because Lionheart's cord-range body is within cord-range activity and because his physical body has a need
to wake up, he is pulled back into his physical body and wakes up. Lionheart thus experiences a short OBE, while
exiting from his LD and going back into awake physical reality.

I can't say I'm right in my analysis, but I want to point out that making your story more clear, structured and divided
into obvious sections can help others in responding to it.

--

Besides everything else, I must say that I'm amazed at your control of your LD. I have nothing even
close of that in any of my LDs. Seems like I'm just doing crap or losing lucidity.

I'm not sure where your dream ended and what took over. Could you guide us a little more clearly, step by step?
When were you lucid, when were you in regular dream, when did you have false awakening etc.

TOTAL control of EVERYTHING.  Its the most lucid state beyond the physical.
Its an obe of course but different by far in comparison to the RTZ.

In my mind you seem to mix at least two things. But anyway, Robert Waggoner, former
President of the International Association for the Study of Dreams (IASD), has stated,
due to his extensive experience of LDs, that "the sailor doesn't control the sea".

And Jeez, you even got the guy to apologize.

This is a question thread. Here is the background:

When I go lucid in a dream, meaning that the dream turns into an LD,
things in my surrounding becomes visually much clearer. As I sometimes
lose it and revert back to a regular dream, my visual impressions decay,
so things again become more unclear/blurred.

If I am lucid in a dream and move close to an object, for example something
on the ground, I am able to see that object in much greater detail compared
to when I was standing up. The object also becomes more visual focused, more
details can be seen.

But...

The object doesn't become as clear and in focus as in physical reality. The
object still seems to look like something viewed through a piece of glass with
minor spots of grease. This means that the object becomes just a tad distorted.

Even considering "dream world fluctuations" (DWF), I still would expect some
objects to become visually, absolutely clear and focus sharp when I use my dream
eye-sight at close range.


In physical reality I'm a bit near sighted, so I have to wear glasses, and in an LD
I don't think anything has been into my focus, my view, as clear as it is in physical
reality, while wearing my glasses.

So my questions to you are, how clear is your nonphysical eye-sight in an LD?

Is you eye-sight in an LD as clear as in real life? If not, how close does it come to RL?

Do you need to do anything to get the best focused and clearest view in an LD?

And do you think any physical eye-sight impairment interfere with your LD eye-sight?

What happens to your dream reality when you wake up?  Who really knows, right? 

And even more disturbing who creates all the details in the dream? On some LDs I've
moved close to objects and even if there has been blurred areas, there has been
a lot of details. Too many details in my mind. I wonder how that's possible.

I've still not ruled out the possibility that it's just made up in my mind and that there
is no non-physical reality, so I can't say. This also means that I don't fully trust my
own experiences, neither OBEs nor retrievals, as I've no hard verification of any of
them. I further bothers me quite a lot that none has managed to get the Randi price.

I have to admit that I would dislike Campbell being right, partly because he is such
a poor writer, but also because I don't like the idea that physical reality is an illusion.

But still, there is that writing of Monroe in UJ... something being "the dream"...

Pauli there is a portion of Tom's Q @ A that I think you would really benefit from. It starts right at the beginning of this video and goes for 15 minutes. The key is to listen to it with an "open mind"!

Well, I listened and listened and you and I are of the same age, but to me that was just one more
boring and slightly length talk of Campbell. The stuff about 'fear being absence of love' sounded
like an echo of the 1990ies Moen books, so I guess that is something TMI teaches a lot. But
otherwise, nothing new in my opinion. I'm really sorry, but Campbell seldom impresses me.

I also think this is typical of Campbell, he seldom speaks of anything new, he repeats TMI program
or TMI course material stuff, he repeats content from his book MBT, he has very few face expressions
which to me increases the boring moments, he is very lengthy at all times, he speaks almost always
with the same kind of voice.

I just doesn't get it, why are everyone liking these lengthy nothing-new-content clips?
I can't bring up any enthusiasm to such lengthy video talks.

It is surprising that the surgeon, Dr Spetzler, gave what appears to be factually
inaccurate statements in a BBC documentary.

Internet sources seem to indicate that Pam was participating in an NDE study
well before the surgery, perhaps the surgeon was involved too... ?

The title of this topic is a little too hard drawn, but I think it better makes my point,
so let me explain:

Campbell says that physical matter reality (PMR) doesn't exist other than as a Software
simulation. The Software is Consciousness (as is the Programmer (AUM) and the
Hardware (The Even Bigger Computer = AUM)) only.

So if the Software is stopped and used for other purposes, our physical world will
stop to exist (other than as Memory in AUM, which is also Consciousness only).

So physical reality according to Campbell is not completely Non-Existent, but it
only exists at long as the Software keeps its existence in place. Sometimes
Campbell uses other words and says that physical reality is virtual, which
in a sense also says that its an illusion or at least not existing in its own
right.
---

Having re-read Ultimate Journey I noticed some disturbing parts which actually seem
to support Campbell's take on physical reality. I must have ignored them pretty much
before, because those sentences by Monroe are very few and short.

My copy of UJ, Broadway Books, 2000 (orig. 1994), says on page 211:

"Yes, the dream." . . . "the dream is fading quickly . . . something about clouds and curls . . .
and moving along an Interstate . . . and life and death, whatever that means . . . something
called time-space . . . and a blue planet . . .  and a sun"...

Here Monroe refers to planet Earth as I see it, as being part of "the dream". I'm not sure if
I should take his writings as literal; physical reality _being_ a dream, but there goes more.
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Monroe meets an Alien I-There Cluster (?) who says, on page 213:

..."of what you call the dream."

By some reason the Alien Cluster doesn't completely comply with the use of the expression
"the dream", which points in a direction that perhaps physical reality is not purely a dream
or should not be viewed exactly that way.
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The Alien I-There Cluster says, on page 215:

..."you can perceive the Emitter for the energy beam that creates what you call the dream."

Notice the word "creates", indicating that perhaps the creation is ongoing. And Monroe himself continues:

"The dream . . . The hologram would be a better term."
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On page 218, Monroe states:

". . . yet I am still awake, pulsating with what I am beyond the dream. Can there be
any way to express that wave form in the dream without disturbing the illusion?"

And further down on page 218 of UJ:

". . . the Emitter! No, there was no big bang . . . it came from the Emitter . . . the creation
of the hologram . . ."
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Later on Monroe express him in a way that I get the impression that he thinks the physical
world (and perhaps some part of the nonphysical?) is the result of a Design or some kind
of construction.

In the third part (third book) of My Big TOE, Campbell adds a claim that The Big Computer
runs the Software in simulations, which branches out in all directions of probable future
events, but not using the conscious individuals in those simulations, only using their probable
actions. And than Campbell states that explorers projecting into those more "static"
simulations may mistake them for predictions of the future. And that is perhaps the
best part of book 3 of MBT (which otherwise is quite boring in my opinion).
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Anyway, all these pieces lead me to ask one question:

Have any of you found any proof, experience or indications in the nonphysical which points
in any direction of the existence of physical reality?

Does or doesn't physical reality exist on its own?

If Consciousness withdrew or stopped any "involvement" or "maintenance" of physical
reality, will physical reality (atoms, photons, etc) stop to exist? Is physical reality
virtual in the sense Campbell implies? Is it a dream maintained only by an "Emitter"?
Or will the physical world keep existing even if all Consciousness withdrew or reverted
its presence in the physical?

What nonphysical experiences do you have for supporting the idea that there is an existence
of physical reality on its own?