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Well, after thinking about it, I'm fine with any age (within reason) so long as they are mature and sincerely interested.

The greener they are concerning techniques is better. I think you should explain to her that we're willing so long as they are serious. Even if they don't succeed, there's no foul so long as they really tried. But if it's all talk and X-Box then, meh.......

It wouldn't be fair to be in then out based on stereotypical behavior. I know I'm the one that brought the age thing up but I'm still in. It's not like I'm gonna discuss religion and whatnot. I'll be honest and warn them that success means not be able to go back to a comfy idea of the world but they're teens...hopefully they haven't made up their minds about the world anyways.

I had one experience awhile back in which I was having to stop in the middle of everything and "go" right then. After about the third or fourth time I created a dream character to tell me that I might have a real issue to attend to.

If that character wasn't my own manifestation then it was a guardian angel in the truest sense of the word.

The success happens is when the student is able to project on their own successfully. That is when I'll ask them to help the future students if they would like to help too. I'll not force anyone. That's not the goal of the project.. I want this to help as many people as possible

That's good. She seemed real concern about people being in the same time zone and all. That would only be a major factor if you were trying to link up astrally.

Maybe you could tell her that time zones aren't that important otherwise. I don't mind doing this through email and better yet, get them to join! The only problem with that is all the reading they will be doing and having to sort out all their confusion.    

It seems like I don't want to return to that state but rather I need to to continue here on earth.

One common theme in a lot of NDE is that the person reports that they were told it wasn't their time yet and they had some unfinished work.

It's too bad they are never given any specifics. But it makes sense that they're not told anything specific. It would take the lesson out of the experience and none of the emotions would be felt in order to fully appreciate it I suppose.

Some people become obsessed with being in the astral. They use it as an escape and it negates their very reason for being here in the first place. However, I think that it's rare and you shouldn't worry about it. Besides, I don't think we would have this ability if we weren't meant to use it.

I understand that you didn't take it this far but I just thought I'd say it anyways.

Science has got SP in a nutshell because it's counted as a 'medical problem'... they're not interested in OOBEs because they're not a medical problem.

Very true, I believe. If science was not able to determine some of the physical reasons of SP, they would've very easily relegated it to the "junk sciences".

That's whats interesting about this idea. If 2 beginners make a successful trip to the RTZ then with our help they can make great progress to do it conciously, a meet could occur.

Especially if we don't tell them how hard it is to meet someone. Most of this is easy until we we read so many different opinions and put up all the mental blocks that wouldn't have been there otherwise.

That would be a funny story if it hadn't happened to me many times already in almost the same context.

Instead of figuring a way to get past something, do what Beedeekin suggested and just envision a place that you want to go and decide to go there. It really is that easy.

The non physical reality has a lot of work that it expects you to do so I think there are obstacles placed in our way to test our abilities to function there.

What we call the NPR could very well be the primary physical reality of someone else and it wouldn't be prudent to have someone there running amok and having no control. That's just a theory of course but one that I find to be true in my case.

What constitutes success in her experiment? Do the partners have to successfully meet in the astral or does the newbie just have to have a successful AP?

When I said that I have never been able to do this in the past, I was referring to meeting up with someone in the astral. I've never tried to guide someone in to having their first AP but I see no problems.

I personally have given up on meeting anybody that way. Well, given up isn't the right phrase...more like little expectation of it occurring.

I am working on a brutal regiment that will "whip" my initiate into shape in under a week. I'm talking PT at 4 am and light out at 18:00 hrs. 

Helmet, I'm sure you are aware of the intense vibrations and electrical sensations that most everyone describes as normal when attempting to AP. I'm curious as to why you think your sensations are being caused by an entity. You're young and impressionable and you're attempting to enter a state of consciousness that is highly impressionable to every weird idea that you have come across.

It may not be a bad idea to take a break from AP. Don't get me wrong, I want for everyone in the world to do this but it won't be beneficial if negative thoughts take hold.

I encouraged you to explore and I still do but a little time to reflect on other causes of these sensations that you are feeling may be needed.

Good luck Helmet.

Is my english so bad, that i cannot explain, that SP and the above described things are two different things? I experienced both alot. Here a comparison.

Your English is fine. I draw a distinction between the two states as well. I just think that science has explained the Phenomena of SP quite well. Mainstream scientists have to take a scoffing approach publicly to most of this stuff or they risk losing their credibility and careers. I wish it wasn't that way and that they would do more but there you have it. Times are slowly changing and one day science will re-emerge with this in a proper fashion.

That was definitely the beginning of an AP. I think the reason you haven't been able to get back there is because you might be fearing it more than you want it.

I don't do energy work but someone who does may say it sounds like you lost some kind of energy or have an imbalance of energy now. I'm sure someone will reply who knows more than I do on that.

So your greatest concern now is that you have to completely scrap your old way of thinking because you had an experience that wasn't supposed to really be possible. If that's true, then you came to the right place. We talk about a lot of subjects here that close-minded people scoff at but if you keep an open mind, you will be amazed at what is eventually "revealed" to you through your own hard work.

Welcome to the Pulse and I hope to hear more from you. There's tons of gold in the search function.

Good luck and keep exploring.

It isn't until I met more and more people who did it... and read more and more about how it's not the real world.. and started over analysing it and listening to more and more problems that people experience... and as I formed different belief systems my ability to have RTZ projections has decreased somewhat.

Once we are aware of an alternate explanation, we can never escape it's influence. It may be contradicting, it may even seem absurd, and we can disregard it but as they say in court, "You can't un-ring a bell." The "damage" is done.

It's in our nature to want to relate with other people and we want to find out that others are "seeing" something the same way so we can know we're not crazy.

To be honest, when I first came to the Pulse, I noticed that while most of my experiences were basically the same as others, they were only the same in the way that steam, water, and ice are all water but in completely different states.

For instance, I see far more tragedy than I do fun and lighthearted things but since I came to the Pulse, the ratio is quickly balancing. I am not someone who looks for that kind of drama in the physical so I wondered why I was being bombarded with it in the non physical. I can't be certain but I believe that this is just where I need to be right now in my evolution but reading the more positive experiences of others has directly influenced me to have more of my own .

I've attempted this before but I have never been successful. I don't mind participating but I would prefer to "partner up with someone 18 or older.

The last thing I want is some parent thinking that I am trying to corrupt their poor child.

Why do you try to use the (so called) scientific explanations to explain supernatural things. You also would not use such scientific explanations to explain OBEs and the respective exit phase.... or would you? (im shure, they have written lots of stuff about which kind of dreams out of body experiences are)

Most people who consider themselves mystics or what not no longer consider SP to be supernatural. I don't know about Beedeekin but I believe science has a good explanation for the cause and mechanisms of SP. They even have a very plausible reason for why we even have the condition.

Without getting into a discussion about God, science is the observation and study of how God works. Feel free to exchange God with Source, Creator, or the Universe.

We may never completely understand them all but there is a functioning mechanism at work for every phenomena. Science may be able to take the "super" out of the equation but that doesn't make something any less special or spiritual.

I for one, look forward to a day where science not only acknowledges OOBE as a legit phenomena but I very much hope they can explain the reason for it and how it's done. That would mean that we are well on our way to being truly enlightened.

Honestly it was more "I felt like I was projecting, then slipped into a dream," rather than realizing I was dreaming.

This happens to all of us. The reason being is that it requires the exact same state of consciousness. People play baseball one night and the next day, they play football on the same field. So it might help to look at it like it's two different experiences happening in the same place.

I may be wrong but it sounds like you are just beginning (or more accurately, you're just realizing) your journey in the non physical reality. Unless you have some amazing eye-opening experience early on, it will take a lot of time before you are comfortable believing that the NPR has it's own objective existence. Only a madman would believe many of our claims before they've had their own experiences. But that's due to our culture at large but I'm starting to see a subtle yet discernible shift in contemporary thinking.

But back on point, it will most likely take some time before you have an OOBE that is completely indistinguishable from this physical reality. When it finally happens, you will be more aware of who you are, where you are, and what is happening then you ever have been before and will then most likely snap "back" due to overwhelming excitement. If it's like my experience, you'll be drunk with giddiness and know that your understanding of reality will never be the same.

Nobody likes to hear this, especially experienced people, but my votes on SP.

I've never done any chakra or energy work so I'm ignorant to the effects it can have but nothing I've heard or read sounds like they would explain the perception of an earthquake.

"The road to hell is paved with good intentions" it sounds catchy but I think it's a bunch of bull. All it does is try and shame someone into doing whatever it takes to insure a perceived positive outcome in someones favor. Intent is all there really is.

We're always told and I believe, that all that matters is what is in our hearts. Well, that means intent. Admittedly, the waters can get a bit murky but the truth has a way of clearing things up.

I can't really expand on anything Beedeekin said because it was spot on.

Yes.  It was a real OOBE.  When I have a RTZ projection (ending up in your house next to your body) my house is never exactly like my real house.  Very close, but some things are a little different.  Pretty much everyone else who writes about their RTZ projections says the same thing.  My understanding of the NPR is it's not that you're actually  leaving your body and cruising around the physical, but that you are really having a dream with different degrees of lucidity and clarity.  That may seem disappointing at first, but it makes you realize that dreams are really MUCH more than you think.  They are an experience of a wider reality and consciousness. --Anywhere from your own subconscious to a shared consciousness with another being, to experiencing the total consciousness of "All".  That's what makes most sense to me anyway.  I'm sure the most experienced members on here could expound more upon the subject. 

I think you summed it up quite well. If someone doesn't like thinking of an OOBE as another kind of dream than they are just limiting what a dream can be.

I stopped believing that I was actually leaving my body a while back. Since I believe that consciousness is not generated from the body, it makes sense to me that I'm not leaving the body. But whatever one believes doesn't matter, the benefits are all the same if you choose to go after them.

You're right. I was just speaking about our non physical journeys. If you work hard enough to fulfill your desires, then by all means, bask in it's glory!

How do you think a small kid from a backwater town in the UK lands himself a top position in the film industry without any college education and qualifications to speak of?

Yeah, I was wondering the same thing. You didn't snuff anybody did you?

Obviously, I'm joking. Your talents are amazing and are only rivaled by my lack of talents.

The competition in the film industry is so fierce that talent alone doesn't always get you in the door. Perseverance is just as important. Tough skin doesn't hurt either.

You've earned everything good that comes your way!

So in effect a "double large scale retrieval".

Szaxx has been projecting his whole life so his retrievals are on a grand scale. Someone new to all this will probably be on a one on one basis.

In fact, I probably wouldn't have even recognized this as a retrieval if I had been there because I haven't learned to think this big yet.

That's interesting and it seems to depend on how you life ends. If it ends positively then you create heaven for yourself but if it ends negatively i.e you end it, suicide, then you create hell for yourself?

From what I am seeing, it depends more on what you personally think you deserve. So if Hitler didn't think he deserved a "hell", he probably isn't in one. That is far from equating that he is in some kind of "heaven" though. I'm not big into Karma but hoping for justice and righting wrongs is one way to place yourself under Karma's rule.

Suicide has always been a taboo subject but Christianity didn't make suicide a mortal sin until the 4th or 5th century. Too many people were taking the bible at it's word and were killing themselves to get to heaven faster.
 
And don't forget, one man's idea of heaven could be another man's version of hell. I agree with Szaxx and believe that a true heaven is more of a place where you're learning and evolving is almost complete.

I personally believe in reincarnation be cause there is so much to learn that we are incapable of learning it all in one lifetime. Heck, we won't even know that we missed something in one lifetime.  To me, life is so hard and confusing, that I can't see a loving God make someone get it right or else on their first time around.

These are just my opinions of course. All is based on what I have seen and what makes sense to my current understanding and mindset but not necessarily what makes me happy. If something is in line with what you desire, you should always think twice about it being true.

The "impossible" becomes the everyday. I am still learning to balance my "old world understanding", with the "reality" i now find myself within.
Everything is connected to everything.

I really like that. It can be confusing when you are suddenly confronted with a reality that is so much different than the one you knew yet you wouldn't have it any other way.

At first, I wanted to tell my family and friends about everything I was learning and seeing but I quickly turned that switch off. I will talk about it but only if they ask and even then I will only talk about their specific question.

What's funny is that they seem perplexed at how I am so much more spiritual and tolerant now and I haven't set foot in a church in ages.

The producers of "Man of Steel" made it known that they modeled their version of Superman to be just Like Jesus.

They were really pandering for the Christian dollars on that movie.

I guess I'm mainly thinking that once I can project I want to check on family/friends and make sure they're not needing help moving on.

That may be true as well. But remember that you may not be the best one to assist them. I've only very recently saw someone deceased that I knew during a projection but I tried to meet a friend in the past but never could.

I would recommend praying and getting it "out there" that you care and wish the very best for them. I have it on good authority that they get the messages and appreciate every one.

Once you're able to project, I'd be willing to bet that a clear path will be put in front of you. However, I'm still looking for mine.