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in this instance i do agree summer.

if you get close enough to sleep, it's just a matter of recognizing that you can separate and doing it.

lol.

no.

click

something like a spiritual quarantine, this spirit trap?

i understand your point very well.  context, scale and position of perspective.

this is important to me as a psychologist who is very interested in how the human being works.

but you must admit, since the new age craze especially, everyone and their mother has some story of spirit contact and revelations of the great truths.  it's difficult to listen to a sensational story like this and take it seriously.

i am also put off by the apparent literalism of your story.  i've studied many traditions for many years and one of the commonalities across the board is the use of symbolism and metaphor to express universal truths that are by their nature beyond normal human comprehension, things that can only be known, not learned.  for me and my studies there is no hell.  for me, hell is a bastardized version of the underworld from the old religion, the native traditions of our forefathers.  i don't speak of this from a purely theoretical viewpoint either, i have been there many times through meditation and a few times through astral projection.  the underworld of the shaman isn't a hateful torturous place, rather it is the realm of the ancestors, the place to go learn of the earth and our connection to her.  but what you're saying is that my journeys to these places were just "spirit traps"?  like intentional barriers put in place to prevent me from reaching the actual truth?

interesting indeed friend, interesting indeed.

very well put CFT.

worm food.

first reply to the thread.  so i agree cft and summer.

i'm legitimately interested to see how that turns out summer.  make sure you do share the story.

i'm sure it's a temp ban firstly, more like a suspension.

i don't know why, but i can bet that it was because he repeatedly made personal attacks.  xanth told us to stop making personal attacks and he kept arguing and he didn't stop.  so that's my guess.

but who knows.  maybe he posted something really inflammatory and xanth just deleted the post before we saw it.  that has happened with other people in the past.

if you do speak to him summer, let him know that i really am sorry about the bigot comment, it was out of line and unfounded.

^

If you had read my website, you would already have realized how "nutty" I am.

That is just a matter of opinion only.

Others might say "interesting" or "different" or perhaps even "credible".

lol, i didn't say it wasn't interesting.  and it certainly is different.  but i don't know enough about you or your practice to say it's credible.  i've never heard any of it before.

PR, what would you say are the best times to practice? and is there any reason i cant get into deep relaxation even thought i feel my mind is clear?

Yea, the afternoon is the best time that I've found for practice.

At night your muscle tension is at it's highest (which we can sleep with, but not project easily) and your serotonin is at it's lowest (which makes it difficult to focus and in all likelihood will lead to you falling asleep).

In the morning your muscle tension is the lowest, so that would absolutely help you a lot if you're having trouble relaxing enough.  However, your serotonin levels are their highest in the morning and for some people it keeps them too awake and won't let them go deep enough into trance. 

For me, it was the "middle of the road" that worked.  In the afternoon you're a little mentally worn out so it makes it easier to get into deep trance states, but your muscles are still relatively relaxed (compared to bedtime), relaxed enough to project at least.

You should try in the morning to see if the relaxation is easier.  But if you find that it is difficult to enter trance then try in the afternoon around 2-4pm.

Thank you for clearing up that terminology for me, it makes sense.

Well, I disagree, the devil is evil.

However, I have a great deal of respect for him (err, I mean her, Miranda). Do you know, that simply by being so stupidly dumbly absolutely intelligently evil, the devil is a Player? One of the few who actually DID something in this reality?

Do you realize that if the devil had done a half-baked job, and repented his (oops, I mean her) ways half way and rejoined good, we were all doomed anyway, because we would never have taken this threat seriously? Then it was all over, because the Law states, if it can happen, it will happen, and I will tell you right now, because Miranda didn't do her "job" (*SPIT*) someone worse than satan came along, and learned from Miranda's mistakes, and then do a proper job on us?

Well, Miranda did do this to us once and once only. She surrendered (we had factually defeated her), she repented, and made the valid logical argument (originated by Her), that if she hadn't done this, someone else would have, and done it much worse. HER ARGUMENT WAS THAT SHE HAD DONE THIS INTENTIONALLY AS A FAVOUR, TO SAVE US ALL, MAKE US AWARE OF THE THREAT. She was accepted back. She just failed to mention that she had LIED AGAIN, she was no goody two shoes, she was evil to the core. We failed to think intelligently enough about the issue. It all made perfect sense, nice and happy now in our lovely reality without evil.

Then she used her new found freedom and FAME (can you beleive it???) as someone who had actually SAVED US from evil (can you believe the f*cking cheek and sheer BRILLIANCE  of this frickin being), to put herself back into power, and bring everyone back again. THIS TIME WE WERE ABSOLUTELY DEAD AND GONE AND BURIED. 1 chance in 15,000,000 years, and to make such a stupid mistake and throw it all away? Huh? This being is serious, people.

She (Miranda) is a GENIUS. That is why we just, by the love of God, cannot kill her or torture her. I sure hope they found a way to help her. In a weird indirect way, she has indeed saved us from eternal hell! How can we now punish her by putting HER into HELL? This logically doesn't work! WE LOSE, AND WE'RE ALL IN HELL, AND THIS TIME NO MORE CHANCES! Evil has proved itself worthy, and incremental torture for eternity the only way to live! Evil becomes righteous by default! "Love" as an emotion is a crime and a sin! Thus it will be defined into Law, if Miranda overcomes.

You know how many times we held a gun to her head and told her we got her, she better surrender? So she did. Then we looked away for HALF A MILLISECOND, and she was back again in POWER, and a 1 day struggle turned into another 3 DAY DESPERATE, DESPERATE, DESPERATE struggle to regain the upper hand, with the stakes being, WE MIGHT LOSE? WTF? Terror, you cannot imagine the terror.

Then we said, lets torture this grump in her own kind of hell. I HAD SAID, no torture for anyone under any circumstances, but at that point, man we were desperate and scared. Worked for a while, but you can't sit watching someone like that forever. She moaned and begged and pleaded to be let out, her suffering was absolutely real, and we thought we had her! Next thing she was back again!

She got out on a loophole, she said, there must a god somewhere somewhere, this cannot happen to me. Clever little slut. Her plan was watertight, and nobody ever escaped from her fields.

EVENTUALLY, I KILLED HER in honorable 1 on 1 offset of power (mine was raised to exponent on basis of righteousness), but daddy will bring her back, if he hasn't already. She (satan) is a worthy, worthy, worthy opponent. Sure I hate her with all the righteous love for my soulmate at my command, but in this context I give her her due.

whoa i didn't realize how absolutely nutty you are.  good show friend.

no, it's not needed.

forget you ever heard the word.

if it happens to you, then worry about it.

Too late...

He's been banned. He'll never know that you apologised. Unless I tell him. But if you REALLY want the apology to reach him...that's gonna cost ya!

bummer.

fair enough

here's the first issue

http://www.imged.org/72/issue1_21_may_2005.txt

i'm having trouble finding more

found more

http://www.imged.org/72/issue2_15_june_2005.txt
http://www.imged.org/72/issue3_01_july_2005.txt
http://www.imged.org/72/issue4_16_july_2005.txt

seems like four was it

frank put out a few newsletters before he fell off the face of the earth, i think there is a link to them somewhere on this forum, maybe permanent topics?

see jim.

defensive.

denial.

lol.

i didn't say don't take supplements.

it's just supposed to be more effective when you receive the same vitamins and minerals through food.

Could you explain the above? I don't get at all the concepts you are referring to.  I understand Duality as separation from God, and Polarity as being orientation towards good or evil. Correct? If so, please explain further, why "this is my problem".

firstly, I'm sorry, I shouldn't have said "your problem".  it's not my place to make that decision.

anyway that's not really what i meant.  by dualism i meant "good versus evil/opposites" and by polarity i meant "balanced counterparts".  

here's a good example.  

in christian tradition, god is set against the devil.  these are two definitions of good and evil.  notice how in the christian tradition this pair is thought of as being in opposition to eachother, they are "at war" so to say.  

in egyptian mythology, you are presented with counterparts.  so instead of say, osiris being paired with set (who could be thought of as osiris' evil brother, perhaps even like lucifer himself), osiris is paired with his feminine counterpart, isis.  instead of pairing osiris with his opposite, he is paired with his complement.  

i actually choose to look at "lucifer" or the "devil" as jesus' counterpart, his compliment.  while jesus represents the masculine sun, leadership and illumination, lucifer represents the feminine moon, illusion and imagination.  jesus rules our physical lives, while lucifer rules our otherworldly lives.  so for me, the devil isn't evil in the slightest.  in fact, a lot of the evil in this world comes from an unbalanced favor of jesus.

I am a little hesitant to say anything.  I've been trying to express this sentiment for the better part of a year on this forum.  But many of the people that I consider friends on this board are still very much Frankites and I don't wanna start talking about why they're pathological for being so.

Let me think of a nice way to say it and i'll get back to you, lol.

Try reading Astral Dynamics by Robert Bruce and Astral Projection and The Nature of Our Reality by (I forgot the author's name).  Both offer a lot of insight to the way the astral realm and astral projection work.  You will find a lot of answers to your questions!

Good luck in your future endeavors

his name is John Magnus, he has a facebook group if you're interested in chatting with him.

no you're not exaggerating.

that was the point i was making a couple posts back.

did it's energy feel sagely? 

did it make you feel like "this is my guide, i am safe with this person, they will help me through my journey"?

if so, then yea it was a guide.

any time you start anything that can be perceived as "psychic development" there are always accompanying energy sensations.  you're waking up your energy body and it's stretching it's legs so to say.