Messages

quote:Originally posted by Mistic-Idan

OK then let say you are not Master projections, how long does it take you guys to do all the process? and by that I mean: Entering a trance state, clearing the mind and getting out of the body, or any methodes that you guys are using.
[?]

Hi Mistic-Idan

I've not really added it up til now. I have only in last month returned to conscious exit AP, after a gap of quite a few years of having spontaneous OBEs only. Leading up to the last successful OBE I had spent a free day worked through a variety of practices, not all aimed at the OBE objective in particular. Although at the end of the evening I had found myself able to physically relax very comfortably, and maintain a clear and focused mind. So it just seemed natural to have a go and was lucky to derive some little success. From sitting and going through the prep to AP, and exiting took around 15 -25 minutes approx. The perceived duration of the AP was only a couple of minutes.

Hope that answers your question?


S

quote:

hmm what ahhhh ahhhh ahhhh STOP STOP STOP i never saw the whole thing because the sub i had fast forawrd it so i didnt get to see alot then at the end the bell rang i stayed behind to watch where she meets her father but thats it then i left so dont talk about the ending

Oh nightmare.... who mentioned the ending?

Bye,

S

quote:Originally posted by EyesOfVengeance

Hi I was wondering, this physhic said she saw my animal guide. She saw the image of a grey stallion, with a dark grey muzzle.

I was wondering if you knew what this mean or symbolizes?

I'm intrigued.

Hi,

The psychic should have been able to give you the meaning or interpretation at the time. There is a nice book on symbols by a chap called David Fontana (famous as a psychologist and meditation teacher I think), but probably best not to read too much into some else's explanation! Although the horse given to you may well relate to a key issue you are dealing with at the moment, and seems to represent or give a sense of empowerment or strength/support perhaps. Try sleeping on it and see how you feel in the morning!

On the other hand you may have heard of Shamans. A shaman can become aware of not only their 'power animal', but also see in their journeys (like meditation or dream state) power animals for other people. In native American culture as an example – the horse would not have been used or recognised as a power animal (for obvious reasons).

The horse may well represent a guide or helper, but would not necessarily be the guide him or herself! If someone else gives you another reading and gives info exactly or very very close to the reading you had had and your horse - then it might be more interesting, and may confirm the reading you had already been given. But as already said  - a good psychic would have been able to offer much more clarity at the time. Sadly many don't make the effort which can be really confusing. Again best sleep for on it. If nothing comes to mind then let it go, and treat that particular reading as entertainment and a bit of fun only!!!

S[]

"By Master projectors I meaned guys that have mastered Astral projection."

Ah, Thought you were going all esoteric there... when the obvious is sitting straight in y'r face.

Ta and sleep well,


S

Oui Tom, Less of y'r cheek []

Hi FreeFaller,

Great film, but oh so so soppy...

Yes, the scene where Jodie Foster's character meets her dad (actor of 'chips' infamy)... is in part very reminiscent and hauntingly close to a personal experience I had once in a lucid dream. Very powerful... and preferred it to When Dreams May Come! Although the dog scene is totally disney, however it is equally tear rending!

Thanks,


S

Actually you post is quite timely ... ta again!!!

Hi Tom,

Appreciate I'm going off subject. Psychic lady partners (wonderful), only problems is they know what you are thinking, but on the other hand empathy can be bliss! Might be worth starting another thread on that perhaps?

Take care,

S


Hi Mistic-Idan,

What did you mean by 'Master projections' over and above your initial statement?

quote:Originally posted by MajorTom

Hi there STephen!

Doing well..thanks for asking.

Sounds like you're doing better me OBEwise.

Maybe this weekend it's my turn *sigh*

Hi Tom,

Although the mini OBEs occurred at night - the practice at the workshop last year was obviously during the day and was from a seated position. Have you tried that, or as RB advised propped up in bed with extra pillows, rather than prone! Appreciate that you have a more thorough understanding of the theory than me. Also are you eating heavy meals before retiring etc? I have also found dry skin brushing and cool(ish) washing useful in addition to NEW as per the body work advice in Bardon's IIH. It might help you never know!

Wishing you success. How does your poor Mrs (bless her) put up with this?

All the best,


S

quote:Originally posted by MajorTom

I got the impression from his book, or he mentiones it somewhere, that it's mainly thoughout the night, OBE's, lucid dreams, visions, and so forth. His longest time I don't know.

Project every night? I wish.

The last time I projected was a week ago, and before that it must have been more than a year since the last time. I only recenly got back into it.

All my good stories are from the past, now I'm a has-been

Hi all,

Hows it going? I wish too, but staying grounded for a bit.

I'm having a sensible weekend as I have to work over the next few days. Had a couple of short hops a couple of nights ago... The 1st one seemed pretty close to reality and located as if near to home, then decided to come back least I loose track and fall into a dream state etc. So back I came, eyes open – wonderful indeed. Then mused that I should get up and write the sublime little experience down, but could I drag myself out of bed – no way. Next I ended up flipping out again, this time into something more surreal and back yet again to base. I must have been too tired by this stage, as it was pretty late into the night! So lazily thought I'll write it up in the morning... 8am awoke remembering very daft dream and could I remember any of the details of OBEs had, not a sausage. Least I know what a mind split is and now fully appreciate the memory download problems as perfectly described in Astral Dynamics.

Oh the wonders of a lone traveler!

Cheers,

S

Ah... Just noticed the extra pip!

Jon,

Don't panic!!!

Reading some of your other posts... Looks like you have had some good advice already, and have also read up on kundalini symptoms.

I know what it is like to have had some of these sensations from experience had some years ago. They will stabilise - so you will get through it OK!!!

DO give your mind a chance to slow down... If you have been able to write your post, then things have obviously calmed down a bit already (humm).

No doubt one of the moderators will respond to your call soon enough!

So until then chill out as best you can,


S []

That is very interesting, EOL007[].  That does sound like a more realistic explanation, hehe.  I had actually been thinking that maybe, if she was in fact a virgin, Tayesin's response could explain it (the 'alien' part).  That sounds a bit out there, but hell, it would be an explanation, lol[]

-Kristina


[/quote]
Hi,

Just a bit of fun really, though more seriously are real truths more often or not hidden in myth? Here is an interesting link about the Graal and lots more. Might not suit those of a strict Christian disposition... as it has lots of arcane overtones. See: http://www.lanunda.com/

Bye,

S

P.S. Darkangel13 - Liked y'r homepage... different(with respect). Probably a generational thing. Oh I have a nephew around your age going free! He would appreciate your way of thinking. Is it OK if I send him via airmail from Ireland (collect). It would make his mother very happy [}:)]

quote:Originally posted by fallnangel77

quote:Originally posted by SmileySpirit14

.....why did i open my big mouth.....

Because you still have a lot to learn. LOL []

If you want to know who you are then you must look within. You won't find yourself on the outside. []

Just before checking this thread this afternoon I was thinking of something at the other end of the spectrum to fallnangel77's thought.

Maybe SmileySpirit14 has brought out something in ourselves about what we may need to learn! I can certainly apply this to myself.

Thanks Smiley,


S []

P.S. I wonder who the teacher is here?

Hi,

Have seen this idea before, but nice to be reminded.

S []

Hi,

A highly valid point about modern crop production methods and the blitz on small furry ones etc!

After the BSE nightmare in the UK - I for one will never eat cows again, and will only entertain organic dairy produce wherever possible.

Is anyone familiar with the milk debate and aware of Robert Cohen's notmilk.com site for instance? OK it is propaganda, but seriously worth studying. I'm no activist and sorry if this seems to have gone off-piste, but surely the whole global food production/agro industry/food supply/fishing industry has gone up the river. Are we actually meeting humanity's needs or something else altogether - I for one think not! Although I'm all for educated consumer choice, and appreciate this does not take into account other scenarios i.e. 3rd world starvation!  But do we need to kill seals to save fish? It's obvious that the global fishing fleets are devastated and people need jobs to feed mouths etc... But more importantly - are we empowered to furnish realistic and holistic short and long terms solutions to the question of satisfying basic human needs. Surely we should for posterity's sale and the security of our children birthright?

Yes, I'm all for personal choice... whatever ones preference!

What do you think (eyes open)?


S

quote:Originally posted by Tayesin


Hi All,
A physical virgin birth must be possible.  Especially if there is some 'messy' foreplay happening that does not include penetration.

I have heard people saying that they believe Mary was visited by an alien race (her reported Angel) that artificially inseminated her, which would also explain the scenario.

Although I have to go along with Lawrence Gardner's hypothesis, as this is the most plausible understanding.

Love Always.[]

Gosh, if the Japanese scientists can make virgin rat mothers, then anything must be possible (God help us).

S [:O]

Hi Darkangel13,

killer question, Immm!

Would love to x-reference this one in depth - if I had the inclination and time, yet: -

Assume you are familiar with Gardner's spin on this. I have had pleasure to see him give lecture in full song at St James, Church in London. He discussed this at length and would say that it would be mighty hard for the average lay person (unless you are an academic par excellence) not to be convinced of his persuasive argument. Whether it is truth or not, that up to you! Here is a snippet from Bloodline of the Holy Grail: -

"Another example is the concept of the Virgin Birth. English-language Gospels tell us that Jesus's mother Mary was a 'virgin' and, as we understand the word, it denotes a woman with no experience of sexual union. But this was translated not from the Greek initially but from the Latin, which referred to her as being a virgo, meaning nothing more than a 'young woman'. To have meant the same thing as 'virgin' does today, the Latin would have been virgo intacta - that is to say, a 'young woman intact'.
Looking back beyond the Latin text we discover that the word translated to virgo (a young woman) was the old Semitic word almah which meant the very same: a 'young woman', and it had no sexual connotation whatever. Had Mary actually been physically virgo intacta, the Semitic word used would have been bethulah, not almah.

So, have we been completely misguided by the Gospels? No; we have been misguided by the English translations of the Gospels. Also by a Church establishment that has done everything in its power to deny women any normal lifestyle in the Gospel story. Hence, the New Testament's key women are portrayed as virgins, whores and sometimes widows - but never everyday girlfriends, wives or mothers, and certainly never priestesses or holy sisters.

Notwithstanding the Virgin Birth dogma, the Gospels tell us time and time again that Jesus was descended from King David through his father Joseph. Even St Paul explains this in his Epistle to the Hebrews. But Christians are taught that Jesus's father was a lowly carpenter, while his mother was a virgin - neither of which descriptions can be found in any original text. It follows, therefore, that to get the best out of the Gospels we have to read them as they were written, not as they have been interpreted according to Church doctrine and modern language."

Or see http://www.karenlyster.com/bookish.html

Enjoy,


S
Slither~~~~~

quote:Originally posted by fallnangel77

quote:Originally posted by Nagual

Personaly, it's not the death part that bothers me; it's more the way they are killed; the cruelty; the suffering...  They could really use something else than clubbing animals until they die!

This is something I wonder. How are they actually killed? Anyone can say anything to make their point. But what is the reality of it? If they are clubbed, how many wacks does it take to actually kill a seal? You can kill a human with one good wack to the head and it is a rather painless death. Unlike in slaughter houses they will hang hogs upside down, slit their throats, and then start cutting away. If I had my choice I would rather take a hard hit to the head.

I don't really know the reality of the issue so I am neutral on it.

It was shown on TV in the UK... shot, clubed and left to die.

See for example http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/3627345.stm

Rebecca Aldworth, of the International Fund for Animal Welfare (Ifaw) told AFP. "This year we saw terrible cruelty, and almost no government monitoring of the hunt," she said.

"Just metres away from us, conscious seal pups were sliced open. They were dragged across the ice with boathooks. Injured seals were left to die in stockpiles of carcasses."

Say no more,


S

quote:Originally posted by SmileySpirit14

ok, so as u saw in the topic, i kinda wanna die...i mean, im NOT like 'oh, my life sux, i just wanna kill myself and get it over with...' im more like 'omg, this is sooo fricken lame! i got a body that is soo fragile, too many responsibilities, to much limitation, and this is a waste of time....im sure i learned all i need to know, so im ready to die now!!! im done with my life, sumone else can have it now!!'
is there sumthin wrong with this, or do u agree???

Smiley,

What can I say... but you are so much loved and we don't want you coming back as a message!

Always look on the light side of life.
[whistling]

If life seems jolly rotten,
There's something you've forgotten,
And that's to laugh and smile and dance and sing.
When you're feeling in the dumps,
Don't be silly chumps.
Just purse your lips and whistle. That's the thing.
And...

Always look on the bright side of life.
[whistling]

S

P.S I have sent you a private eMail. Check it out please.

quote:Originally posted by SmileySpirit14

uh, whats a leyline?

Hi,

Hamish Miller in his book on dowsing describes a Ley or Energy line as 'A straight alignment of at least four significant or sacred sites.'

A good resource can be found at: www.leyhunter.com

Martin Grey's work on sacred sites is also worth a look: www.sacredsites.com

Enjoy,


S

quote:Originally posted by EOL007

Hi,

I am happy to revisit my thinking on this one. Here are some thoughts below!

quote:Originally posted by majour ka


Thanxs guys,both good answers and your right I am becoming more aware (although im not actualy doing any energy work) as in I see auras, spirit energy etc. Whats KI? Ive heard another theory that people developing mediumistic abilitys start getting plasama creeping on the floor near them, which spitit use to manifest, this I find rather unlikly, but may be time will tell x

I have sat with a variety of development groups over the last few years, and have observed a variety of often very interesting things including what may well have been spirit manifestation/phenomena. This raises the question – In what way can we observe spirit manifestation? You may already have been aware of the proximity of spirit entities clairvoyantly, or by feeling (clairsentience) or via physical sight i.e. physical manifestation. I have also observed similar in meditation groups and also during Robert Bruce's workshop in Wales! It a big and fascinating subject to explore and learn!

Personally I enjoy learning something new each day. No doubt you will be able to come to your own conclusions! I am not sure about 'plasma' concept, but have seen what may have been ectoplasmic build up on a few occasions (nothing particularly spectacular though). No doubt you may have seen articles on the likes of people like Jack Weber or Helen Duncan. Or read an Autobiography of a Yogi, where Paramahansa Yogananda gives plenty of examples of spirit manifestation! Have you read the book about the Scole experiment group in Norfolk, England for instance. Obviously scientific opinion was out on the Scole observations, but its still worth looking at!

quote:Originally posted by kakkarot

so you're looking at the floor for lengths of time, and it starts to look funky? it's likely just a normal thing where if your senses don't give your brain new input after a while, your brain starts hallucinating to make up for it.

~kakkarot

Good point !!! That had crossed my mind. Although I have sat in physical and closed circles in darkened rooms, and have noticed similar effects to the 'energy creeping' not only along the floor but also energetic changes through out different areas of rooms. This appeared to be distinctly different to what one perceives after switching out the lights say before retiring! Again I am have my own questions on this and am still out on fixing my opinion!

Cheers,


S[]

Hi,

I am happy to revisit my thinking on this one. Here are some thoughts below!

quote:Originally posted by majour ka


Thanxs guys,both good answers and your right I am becoming more aware (although im not actualy doing any energy work) as in I see auras, spirit energy etc. Whats KI? Ive heard another theory that people developing mediumistic abilitys start getting plasama creeping on the floor near them, which spitit use to manifest, this I find rather unlikly, but may be time will tell x

I have sat with a variety of development groups over the last few years, and have observed a variety of often very interesting things including what may well have been spirit manifestation/phenomena. This raises the question – What is spirit manifestation? Well it could be ones awareness of the proximity of spirit entities clairvoyantly or via physical sight i.e. physical manifestation. I have also observed similar in meditation groups and also during Robert Bruce's workshop in Wales! It a big and fascinating subject and well worth looking into.

Personally I enjoy learning something new each day. No doubt you will be able to come to your own conclusions! I am not sure about 'plasma' concept, but have seen what may have been ectoplasmic build up on a few occasions (nothing particularly spectacular though). No doubt you may have seen articles on the likes of people like Jack Weber or Helen Duncan. Or read an Autobiography of a Yogi, where Paramahansa Yogananda gives plenty of examples of spirit manifestation! Have you read the book about the Scole experiment group in Norfolk, England for instance. Obviously scientific opinion was out on the Scole observations, but its still worth looking at!

quote:Originally posted by kakkarot

so you're looking at the floor for lengths of time, and it starts to look funky? it's likely just a normal thing where if your senses don't give your brain new input after a while, your brain starts hallucinating to make up for it.

~kakkarot

Good point !!! That had crossed my mind. Although I have sat in physical and closed circles in darkened rooms, and have noticed similar effects to the 'energy creeping' not only along the floor but also energetic changes through out different areas of rooms. This appeared to be distinctly different to what one perceives after switching out the lights say before retiring! Again I am have my own questions on this and am still out on fixing my opinion!

Cheers,


S[]

Hi Quiet Storm,

Looks like the competition out there is heating up, and may well be incredibly fierce stuff indeed for our intrepid self styled savior.

Are you up for the challenge from Doris the New Age Guru!!!

Beware and look no further than: -

http://www.dorisandfriends.com/

Lesser known mortals than yourself (no doubt the fabled Icke included) have withered and wept in wry dismay,


S[)]

Hi Quiet Storm,

Wonderful thoughts indeed, and very provoking (ho hum)!

You seem to be having fun and no doubt appreciate the likes of David Icke's work, for instance!

However MJ-12 has valid points worth considering.

Whatever your walk - do keep enjoying yourself and good luck with the debate.


Stephen [)]

Hi MoonBurn,

Hows it going?

Perhaps one of the Sacred Geometry gurus would be kind enough to post an answer. Your question reminded me of Bob Frissell's book 'Nothing in this Book is True, But it's exactly how things Are' – where he discusses Drunvalo's slant on the chakra system. He describes the chakra systems and harmonics of music as been related to the geometrical pattern called "the egg of life"!?*! Plenty of stuff like this on the net, when you have time and feel a need for diversion!

Enjoy,



S

quote:Originally posted by James S

Tarot cards in themselves have no accuracy or lack of, they are just a tool. It is in the skill of the person using them that they are or are not accurate.

to that point, they should primarily be used as a developmental tool. A proficient psychic or medium probably doesn't need to use them for anything more than a prop for unknowing people who insist on 'believing the cards.'

Regards,
James.

Hi James,

Good point. A shame that often vulnerable people can be taken in by cold readers for instance, clothed as it were with the trapping of psychic aptitude. Whereas a skilled intuitive might employ the cards effectively, and would that still be a poor form of practice! As an analogy, for example in the UK the Spiritualist National Union (SNU) have decreed that mediums demonstrating of taking private sitting in SNU churches must not employ psychometry, even if it acts as a tool to enable the start of a reading on a psychic level before leading to the establishment of a link with spirit.

However should we really consider the average person as that innocent or gullible, as they have chosen to take part in the enactment or ritual played out between the sitter and reader as it were! How do we approach providing a meaningful response to the original question "how accurate are tarot readings"?

Cheers,


Stephen

quote:Originally posted by Good Hope

How accurate are tarot readings?

Hi,

I am of a split opinion on this one yet: -

Perhaps only as good as the instrument that uses them or any other divination tool or device. Does not a poor workman blame his tools and an artist keep them in pristine order. I got to know a little a charming English lady who I had been sitting in psychic development group with over a period of about a couple of years. She was a 2nd generation psychic/tarot reader. Now her tarot skill was refined to a point of unerring accuracy. For instance she had categorized many thousands of dream symbols, and while she was performing her tarot interpretation work she would find that appropriate symbols would come to her mind. This enabled her to be confident in giving as good as you can get statements for hers clients. On the other hand when say doing a spirit link she found it initially very difficult as she felt she did not have the adequate tools (not realising perhaps that it was herself) to produce accurate information from her links. But with practice she gained confidence and could really do the business putting more experienced clairvoyant/mediums to shame.

Cheers,


S