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is it still an insult if you spell it wrong?  lol  

this here is what i mean d3nd3.  you didn't add to the conversation, you tried to call out another member.  granted, lexy made it personal, but your job (as a member who agreed to the AUP when you signed up) is to report such comments to a moderator, not take it into your own hands.  that's where stuff gets out of control.

peace & love
personalreality
xxx

(for science)

alfalfa, i posted a response to your question, but i still want to be clear about a few things. 

i didn't claim to be a "big psychologist" and i want to make sure that is clear to the forum.  i am a psychology student.  it would be irresponsible for me to say otherwise because someone may think that my opinion is a substitute for genuine medical assistance in a situation that may require consultation with a doctor.  i only shared that tidbit about myself so that you would both know that you weren't speaking to someone who had no idea what you were talking about.  so that you would know that i was familiar with the topics you were discussing.  not claiming any kind of superiority or greater knowledge than you. 

i shared personal information about myself so that you, i and d3nd3 would understand eachother's motivations a little better.  i want you both to know that i have no personal problem with you and neither of you have offended me.  i haven't made judgments about your character and i wouldn't dream of doing so based on internet forum posts.  my comments have been strictly based on your posts thus far. 

i enjoy the back and forth, i really do, which is why this thread has pretty much just turned into me you and d3nd3.  everyone else is over it.  but i'm still having fun.  so read my legitimate response to your post and we'll go from there.

you are quite welcome.  i too have enjoyed this exchange.

i have little interest in my online persona, or how i am perceived by others.  no one aside from me is capable of understanding my perception of reality, so why would i care?  

since it may not have been done yet, i will address alfalfa's seemingly neutral question that was only intended to ask a legit question, certainly not meant to rile people up with no end game.

firstly, what is mental illness?  the problem with psychological pathology is that it is based out of one perspective, the modern scientific materialist perspective.  in the field of mental studies (psychology, psychiatry, sociology, social work, etc.) pathology is defined as being essentially any mental function that makes people incapable of functioning as any other normal civilized person.  to me that is biased and not valid.  like i said, i'm a psych major (bachelors degree within a few months, with the plan of continuing through phd) and i think about mental disorders a lot.  mostly because i'm disgusted by the label.  i don't believe in mental disorders, illness, pathology, whatever you want to call it.  i think the DSM is the biggest load of bull i've ever heard of.  people don't have mental disorders, they have unique lives that make them see the world in a unique way.  some of these people may not fit into the plan of society at large, that doesn't mean they are diseased.  a biological condition is perhaps a little different, but you mean to tell me that all of us in this forum and all of the people who believe in the reality of AP have biological brain damage?

the schism between the world of science and the world of spirituality has created monsters that are entirely shut off from one side or the other.  science and spirituality used to be the same thing, i'd like to see that come about again.  as it stands however, the two worlds are hard up to come together.  it seems fitting that science would like to see what we do and what we believe in as pathological.  that's the hard part about such a topic, it requires a little faith.  scientists (of the great church of scientism, ie the mainstream, science isn't inherently bad, the closed-minded people who preach the truths of science are) seem to be generally opposed to faith (though they sure do put a lot of faith in their science, which is little more than a new religion to me).  they want proof and nothing else.  it's a tough break, but the realm of the otherworlds is subtle, it's abstract, it's beyond the concrete reality that we focus on most of our lives.  if you are willing you let go and believe in all of this for just a little while, you might be surprised at the reality of it all.  when it comes down to it, we believe because we have experienced something profound and we're doing our best to explain it.

there are some "supposed mental illnesses" that can cause people to feel like they are out of their body, like schizophrenia.  but the implication is that unless we are all mentally ill, that we are intentionally inducing some kind of psychosis in order to experience these things.  that's a bit outlandish to me.  do you not dream?  if you do are you equally crazy?  or is you dream just random neural firing?  a natural function of the brain so it's ok.  to be honest, i don't know the nature of such experiences, but i don't claim to have those answers.  it may be entirely likely that these are imaginary journeys that we are undertaking.  that's fine with me really.  it's still impeccable control over our mind to be able to completely disconnect from the body and feel as if we are living in our imagination.  on the other hand, there is quite a bit of evidence supporting psi-phenomena (a great meta-analysis of psi research over the last 70 years can be found in a book called "Entangled Minds" by Dean Radin).  the reality of an interconnection between all minds isn't so far-fetched in the realm of science these days.  i wouldn't find it to be too big of a leap to apply the same findings to otherworld experiences.

i don't believe that we are all just delusional and mentally ill.  i have experienced the reality of these experiences first hand, and i feel that i have a pretty firm grasp on my sanity (or at least understand my insanity, lol).  like i said, i don't know exactly what they are and i don't really care.  i have felt it for myself and i intend to continue the practice.

now, if you and your buddy are serious (and not just trolls), then i except a serious response.  your move friend (and i mean that, i harbor no hard feelings, i consider you and alfalfa to be friends, fellow travelers).

Its a lot more about how animals are being treated than the death of them. If you did research on the terrible conditions and tortue animals go through for mass production, then you would understand the peace aspect of it. I admire how native tribes hunt & respect their food. I cant say I admire what goes on in slaughter houses. There is a belief that when you consume flesh, you also consume the energy of what it experienced.

I agree 100%, especially about the emotion you absorb when you eat that flesh.  I just assumed we were all aware of that aspect of the argument.  The treatment of animals in mass slaughter is horrendous.

quit with the "make them think questions".

i posted it so that you might understand how i perceived yourself and your buddy.

also so that you might understand why what you're doing isn't what this forum is for, which makes you trolls.

it doesn't really matter much, but if you two were serious about having legit conversations with the members of the forum, i wanted you to participate.  but you refuse to tone it down and share honest opinions about the topics in this forum.  that's pretty much it.  i'd love for you both to stick around and share what you know, but you're not interested in much else than preaching your truth.  which is really what we're all doing in a way, but we try to be open to sharing truths, not just oppressing others with them.

and i would like you to stop assuming that you know who i am.  i'm quite aware of my emotional balance, i don't need your help.  though i thank you for your concern friend.

Yeah, you sure put me in my place didn't ya. But didn't you start this thread to champion the rights of us lowly, new and occasional posters from the elite??
Me thinks you take yourself a wee bit too serious,  friend...   

lol, we need a good sarcasm emoticon.  obviously that was a joke, perhaps at your expense and if i offended you i apologize, i really didn't mean any disrespect.

the reason i started this post was because i haven't been around the pulse very frequently for a couple months and upon my return i began receiving private messages from mostly new members who felt like they were treated like their questions and concerns weren't important or valid.  i'm not ok with that.  i was once a new member and i know how it feels when you have questions that you must find answers too.  i also know how it feels when your question gets blown off.  i didn't want to start a big mess, i just wanted all the members of this forum (new and old) to stop, count to 10 and make sure that what they're about to post is really the right thing for them to post.  that's all. 

i had no intention of "putting you in your place", i don't even know you.  my comments toward you were simply intended to inform you that since you don't come around too often, you might not be aware of the trends in attitude around the forums.  that's all.  no ill intent i assure you.

it's not about me taking myself seriously.  i felt bad for all the people that came to me because they felt wronged.  i thought my intent here was fairly benign, really didn't think people would get so offended by it (not saying that you are, just talking about everyone here in general).  i just wanted to alert the members of the community to a perceived injustice, because i believe all of us here are caring people and wouldn't want to intentionally hurt other people.  but sometimes we all get caught up in the heated debates around here, it's natural.

so no hard feelings anyone who felt put off by this thread.  i really didn't mean to upset anyone.  apologies if any of you were offended, that wasn't my goal.

please, ask around the forum.  ask them if personalreality is an uptight, mild mannered, tight-lipped kind of guy.

in fact, i use a similar technique to alfalfa when speaking to people here.  i'm often rather blunt, some might even say cavalier with my statements.  this isn't the problem.

the problem is that this is forum about astral projection and little else.  we are here to share experiences, discuss technique and to some extent speculate on the nature of such experiences.  this is not what you or your buddy are doing.  you are not contributing to the community, you are not sharing personal experiences, you are not speculating on the nature of such phenomena from personal experience.  both of you have done nothing but preach the "good word", telling us how ego driven we all are and how chances are we are making all this up to soothe our repressed egos.  you're both full of $hit.  i'm a psychology major and I can tell you right now that you are throwing words around like you have any idea what you're talking about.  do you even understand what an ego is?  the ego is the result of tension between natural instincts and the demands of society (id and superego respectively).  EVERYONE has an ego, you would crumble into psychosis if you didn't.  the goal isn't to be rid of the ego, it is the cleanse the ego and find the proper balance between id and superego, which can only be done through the ego.  you're talking out of your butt about new age concepts that you obviously disapprove of, and i don't disagree.  but this isn't the place for your ranting and illumination.  we don't care, we don't want to hear it.  why can't both of you get it through your heads that you're not doing anything here but getting in the way of our growth and development.  you're not opening any eyes, you're not providing us with the great revelation that bring us to enlightenment.  the babbling crap that you are spouting is something i came upon all on my own when i was in high school, over 10 years ago.  i learned that knowledge, assimilated it and moved on to practice.  once upon a time i too felt it necessary to try to open the eyes of the zombies, to try to wake them all up, but it's not my responsibility.  they will find their truth when they are ready.  beyond that, it's none of my fuc*ing business what people do and neither is it yours.

bottom line, we are trying to do something here that is important to us and you're just trying to sh*t all over us for no apparent reason other than you think you know something that we don't and you are trying your damnedest to make sure we see the light.

well, let me enlighten you for a change, the light has been seen, thank you for your help, move on.

agreed friend.

\o/ Kurt!

I really couldn't care less how people choose to eat.  I think it's ridiculous to claim that vegetarianism is more peaceful (less violent) than eating meat.  Just because an animal bleeds like a human doesn't mean that plants are of less value.  They bleed their own blood just like everyone and everything else.  Another example of someone's dogma run away like a freight train.  Most vegetarian religions come from the east, which to me shows more of a cultural concern than a religious one.  It probably just got somehow tacked on to the religion at some point.  Nevertheless, it's just plain dumb to criticize anyone for their dietary choices.  Maybe it's the people I hang out with, but I find that vegetarians are a lot more conceited about their diets than meat eaters.  Who really cares?  If you have a spiritual urge to eat a particular diet (which i fully understand), that's great, but it doesn't mean my diet makes me unclean.  Same old story.

Since this thread is where we air the dirty laundry... I think it's absurd that the only regular mod here has to consult other mods that only visit sporadically in order to ban blatant trolls. This isn't an issue on any other forum I've been apart of. I couldn't care less who's running this place but if there's only one persistent mod he should be given the power to at least do the job without feeling apprehensive about it. I mean this is getting beyond ridiculous.

They don't have to consult with the other mods.  The mods that never stop by know that they don't stop by and don't expect decisions to be made with their approval.  Xanth and Stookie are probably trying to give the trolls the benefit of the doubt.

Perhaps we need some slightly more dictatorial mods that won't hesitate to nip a problem in the bud before it gets out of control.  You should campaign Astral.  lol.

ah now i feel like u thinking u so cool talking about me but not to me, blabla feed trolls, this is very intresting
you like join together to try to increase the effect of your words
you seem like children to me?
hmmmm because u cant reason?
ye you seem to have lost your logic there and u dont wanna give up beeing tough boys

you got me.  i fancy myself some kind of "tough guy" and i think i'm super cool.

jesus alfalfa.  nothing nice to say?   

maybe you're right.  maybe this is all crazy and we're making it up and we're really just naive and trusting of wonderful claims.

maybe we're can't cope with the real scientific reality that you inhabit so well.  naturally we seek a way out, we live in a fanciful world of imagination that holds no concrete value.  we are so pathetic.

i'm playing portal 2 as well.......for science.

I work with a bunch of new age hippies (who drive me crazy).  Most of them are vegetarians.

The other day I told the astrologer I work with (the most militant vegetarian of all of them) that I like the hot bar at Whole Foods better than the hot bar at the local market up the street (basically just a smaller version of Whole Foods).  She glared at me and said, "carnivore".  I said "excuse me?" to which she replied, "you like whole foods better because you're a carnivore and they support meat eaters, [other store] doesn't".  That kind of ticked me off because first of all it's not true.  The local market serves meat and whole foods serves much more in vegetarian fare than meat.  But how dare she condescend me for eating meat.  So I went on to explain to her why she is still murdering life to feed herself and I was better than her for it because I'm not in denial about it.  Animals and plants are both living creatures.  You kill both of them to eat them.  For someone who constantly complains about why we keep pets but eat other animals (like pigs, because she has a pet pig) and preaches the equality of all animals, she certainly carries a double standard for plants.  Apparently their form of life isn't as good as that of animals.  Bull$hit. 

I have no problem with vegetarians.  In fact, I am in the process of switching to a vegetarian diet because my body wants balance (i eat too much meat, which i'll still eat sparingly).  But if you are a vegetarian, don't think you're better than a carnivore because you don't kill animals.  You kill plants and don't even thank them for it.  You don't even think they need to be thanked.

i stated clearly in the first post that the moderators were welcome to move it to another topic if they felt it was necessary.

also, we don't give ourselves stars and none of us think we're the "elite" because we are "big star" people. 

DraregElder, you said it yourself, you only come around once a month.  You have no input in this conversation as it pertains to regular postings.  If it isn't your cup of tea, don't read it.

That said, I agree, this became a useless post.  I was trying to share a concern that I have based on the outrageous amount of people who have PMed me because they didn't feel welcome asking their questions to the open forum out of what they felt was harassment by other members.  I don't even know what this turned into, but my point was missed and made no difference.  I suppose I can't be the advocate I was trying to be.

Nevertheless, I've got the stars so I guess I'll keep running my mouth all I want because I'm obviously better than all of you one-star folks.  So from now on, I would thank you lowly one or two star people to just not talk to me period.  I have no time for you.

but it's fun to feed trolls.  eventually they eat too much and collapse under their own weight.

it is the birthright of all people, it comes more naturally to some. 

perhaps those people that might have been chosen at birth to become the shaman's apprentice, or our modern day seers and guides.  someone with strong intuition. 

"Christians" have been taught formality, rigid thinking, discrimination, judgement and fear. It is unlikely an astral projector and a Christian could have a productive dialogue.

perhaps not, if the proper "angle of attack" were considered (by either participant).  i have done so many times in my job.  you just have to find the terminology that they are comfortable with, the language of their culture.  it works well.

we're all here to continue doing better.  lol, kidding.  i'm sure things have gone up and down over the years.

perhaps i should be more aware of my tone. 

you misunderstand my intention.

you are beyond your right in forcing your social experiments on others.

i'm a solitary person, but even i recognize the importance of community.

i find the world and it's inhabitants abhorrent in so many ways.  but individually, people have personal history, they have a life story.  each one of us, even you, have meaning.  i can't disregard the feelings of one because i dislike the whole.

let it be clear that beyond what i perceive as a transgression on the will of your fellow humans, i have no ill will toward you.

i did not intend to claim authority, merely a serious suggestion.  i have no authority other than what you give me.

lol, cool.

i said this to your partner in crime, be aware of your tone.

myself and others have seen little except you and your friend harassing people for trying to achieve something.

look at the title of this post, "you are mentally ill?"

i can understand poor translation, but even if you meant "are you mentally ill?", you're still accusing members of being psychologically disturbed, needy and little more than children who can't control their ego and pride.  unnecessary.  the same point can be made without attack.

i don't even disagree with most of your posts, i disagree with your delivery.  you're rude and that turns people off.  even in your replies, supposedly trying to clear up a misunderstanding of intent, you still hold your nose to the sky and continue accusing. 

i don't want you to make your statements all "shiny and magical", i would prefer that you didn't. 

i love stuart wilde, but he's a complete nutter.  i take his teachings with a grain of salt.

well....it is xanth....and it's xanth's chatroom now.  he started it, he owns it, he decides who is welcome.

bummer perhaps.  i'm sure he would un-ban you by now, especially since Tiny isn't around anymore (as far as we know, unless he's masquerading as someone else).

but either way, good to see you here.

you didn't offend or upset me personally in any way.

i'm just tired of you.  i'm bored by you.

since i noticed you posting, I haven't seen anything legit contribution to any topic on the forum.  all you've posted is your mission statement for the 'clan of idiots who regurgitate cliche knowledge that we all already learned when we watched the Matrix'. 

if you want to be an actual member of this forum and not just a sideshow act then do it.  otherwise leave because your song and dance lost its novelty after the first post. 

that's all.

that was pretty funny pod.