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Hi ancient_one,

That is interesting, Isn't that called a teleporting OOBE? I may be wrong.

I tend to like the rushing sounds, vibrations and sleep paralysis. It seems to highlight the fact that there is a clear transition from waking conscious to something else. Perhaps once I gain more experience I will see things differently but it's fascinating at this point in "time". I guess the same thing would apply in reverse order as well, I would like to experience the transition from OB back to physical awareness as well.

I share the same curiosity that newmethod has regarding how you pull this off.

Humm-  A teleporting OOBE? I have not heard the term.  As I said in my reply earlier in the thread, I can tell when this is all going to start, and I just focus my energy beyond the harshness of the SP parts.   

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Out of interest how do you pass this stage ancient one?

Thanks again,
Dean

Maybe  I should qualify my statement by saying I am not an intentional projector. Almost all of mine have been spontaneous- So I may not know the acceptable manner to go through all of the stages intentionally, or if that is really done.  For me, from the start- what I have perceived as SP had scared the hell out of me.  I learned that since I could not seem to stop the experiences, I would try to learn to live with them.  One way I found was to anticipate the SP experience, and focus beyond the scary parts of it to the eventual projection experience that would follow.  - I just know that the SP experience is going to start, and I focus beyond it- It may be true that I do not get out of it completely, but I also do not dwell on it.  It is not a goal in itself. My goal is beyond.  My goal is not to be out of my body. My goal is to be someplace else. 

My goal was always to bypass the SP phase of the experience once it occured to me that I could bypass it. SP is way too noisy and disruptive- or at least it was for me. Not to mention scary. f you get to a point you can focus beyond SP awareness, then you can really get out and do more in the experience. For me, SP was the main source of fear I had early on.  Fear that made me want to stop, made me afraid I was doing something wrong, or tat would kill me or make me lose my mind.  Learning to pass through that phase made all the difference for m

It is an odd looking map for vibrations- I do not mean anything personal-  just cannot remember having intense vibrations in my arms, unless I was directing some sort of healing energy to my arms- which I have tried from time to time to help combat a neurological difficulty.  Generally, that intensity is more in the center- the core of the body from head to heart, and the other locations seem more secondary.  You should be able to direct them to various places. How? Hmm. . .I guess, just by thinking about it. From early experiences, I have learned to intensify them and raise the frequency to a point that it is pretty much second nature now.  It takes practice, and patience.  When I was doing this early exploration, I spent months in the "experiment with vibrations" part.  It took me a long time to get used to the vibrations, learn to manipulate the frequency and location- before I had any success with "leaving".

Sabrina and dbmathis-
I can't claim to have an enormous knowledge of this topic, but I tend to agree that sex-like experiences in the astral are more common and acceptable there than what they would be about here- and about totally different things.  I have had one experience that while it was not a typical sexual type experience by our standards, the sensations and feelings were comparable.   This had to do with an experience with a friend who had died a few years earlier. She came to me in what started for me as a lucid dream. Once I realized who she was in this dream, the dream part totally faded away, and she was all that remained.  She told me she was OK, and then said there was something she had wanted to do for me.  We then merged totally- so as you see, not a typical earthly connection, but an overall merging of energies.  The sensations and feelings I had during this were very similar to a physical encounter with a loved one on earth, but much more intense.  I also have had short little "quickies" with an unknown entity that were barely noticeable by comparison. So- I would have to say the quality of "sex" experiences you have may be proportional to the overall development of the entities involved.  Just like on earth planes, it means more depending on your relationship with those you have the experience with.   This and other experiences are in more detail in my blog. 

I think it's actually "sooo" on intake and "hum" on exhale.

Sorry. I had that originally, and even seeing it on the website correctly, transposed it. 

Do you guys have any tips or advice on how I can clear my mind and get into the hypnogogic state?

There is a mantra that you can repeat to yourself when you breath. Doing this makes it very difficult to think of anything else.  As below, say Hum on breath intake, and So on breathing out.   

From http://www.yogajillian.com/meditation.html#19

"The So Hum Meditation technique is often called the universal mantra because of the fact that its sound vibration is already a part of the breath, and everybody breathes. If you listen closely, 'Sooooo...' is actually the sound of inhalation, and 'Hummmm'... is actually the sound of exhalation. So Hum literally means "I am That" (So = "That" or "Divinity"; Hum = "I am") Here, "that" refers to all of creation, the one breathing us all. The mantra's aim is to bring about this union (yoga) between your individual consciousness and Divine Consciousness. In short it stimulates the realization that 'the energy in me, and the energy in you is the same energy that exists in everything we see around us.'" 

Hopefully they realize its true. Although i have never had one, but i get the feeling it is.

If you do have one, you will realize questions like this in the study do not really matter. The experience seems to be true to the person having it, and there will be little anyone else can say that will change your mind. 

Hey, im new to this and am learning slowly, but unfortunately havent got very far with it, but im getting better, i'd just like to know about the "entity" that people see and am wondering how long the episode will last. It's really taken my intrest but from reading i assume one way to get over it is to confront it? I used to suffer sleep paralysis as a child and it always followed waking from the same dream, but i didnt see or hear anything which is what is rumoured, however i did feel short of breath as if someone was smothering me for a few seconds, before falling back to sleep. Thanks

The SP episodes are extremely varied in how they present to you, but for myself, the only way could get past it was to become fed up and confront whatever it was that was pestering me.  This freed me from much of the fear of the episode- hallucination or not. For that story, it is in my blog in the earlier entries- check it out in my sig line. 

Hi all, I've been trying to achieve an OBE for two years now (off and on), and the farthest I've gotten is intense vibrations and seeing white (with my eyes closed).  Obviously, this is extremely frustrating.  Another odd thing I notice is, that, at the height of these 'vibrations', my physical arms are raised.  Not outright, like Frankenstein, but just like I'm lifting them.  It's very odd.

Does this make sense to anyone?
And any advice?
Thanks!

How do you know it is really your physical arms that are raised? When I first started this, I would have sworn my own arms were physically above me, but then at the end of the experience, I realize they are still under the covers. Hummm. How did that happen?  Then there is the time that I would have sworn I physically sat upright. When that ended, you guessed it, I was tucked into the covers again- or, still. All I am saying is that for me anyway, that sensation of lifting my arms felt exactly like physically lifting the arms- but it really was not my physical arms. 

Ok ... As you can tell I'm new.
And I have a question about Astral Projection and religion.

Is it strange if an atheist or an agnostic is interested or believes in Astral Projection and similar things ?
I'm agnostic and I never had any OBE experiences yet.
But I'm trying daily.

I am not particularly religious.  And this has been happening to me my entire life.  In my experience, when I mention things like AP to religious people, they tell me to stop, and go off muttering prayers.  Not that I am anti-religious or think there is no room for AP in a religious person. Just in my experience, the two do not mix.  Now, who wants to discuss politics?

That sounds great, I  think contacting my guide is my number one priority. When your astral, do you literally call for your guide?

I have a mental image, if that is the right description- of the essence of my guide.  And I know that if he (or whatever it is) is present, they will help me. I will think of this image, and put my "arms" out above me. My guide then swoops in and grabs me by the hands to take me where I may need to be.  It has been this way since I accepted that the guide was a well meaning entity.  See my blog in the early postings to read how this happened. . .

Hey guys,

I am quite new to astral projection, but have been interested for years. after some outstanding epieriences with third eye exercises, the whole thing fascinates me, and seems like an important progression in my life.

However, I would like to be very careful, I am aware of forces out there, and also aware of my complete lack of experience. So I would like to know how to contact my spirit guide, and also some protective techniques.

any help will be greatly appreciated.

all the best.

If you have already been interested in AP, it could be that your guide is already trying to contact you, and all you have to do is to be "out" there, or want to be out there.  It was my experience anyway, that my guide had been trying to contact me for quite a while, and I had been ignoring this, or trying to anyway.  Once I made the contact, I never was concerned (well, most of the time anyway) about any other entities out there that may have been thought of as potential threats.   

hey, i've been "informed" about this theory about the psychological death where you eliminate your ego and all of that but... what does that have to do with astral projection? people and internet have kind of pieced little parts into my brain about how to astral project, eliminating your ego, building consciousness, and even something to do with "sex magic"? id like to start over though because its not helping and im just really confused about what to do with life.

1. How do you even astral project?
2. why do you want to astral project? is it the answer to life some how or something?
3. am i to young to do all of this?
4. is there scary things about astral projection?

i want to do something with my life not just live, die and its over. does this somehow relate to the answer to life? i dont know what to do and i think ive been introduced to these concepts the wrong way

by the way im new to astral pulse  

1- I am not a good person to ask. This has always come naturally to me. But, because it always happened on its own, I do not really know how to induce the experience if it is not going to happen anyway. 

2- I started out not wanting to be in any of this. I was young too- Maybe even younger than you when I had my first experiences. I wanted nothing  to do with them because they made me think I was going to die.  So, in a way, my getting into AP was a way to cope with the sensations of early experiences that I did not know how to deal with.  This was 45 to 50 years ago, so resources were quite a bit more limited; no internet, no or very few books I could get to at that age, no one in my family to confide in, etc.  The good part of this for me was that I learned to deal with my early fear, and found that AP was a way to form a basic life coping mechanism. This all helped me become who I am today, and somehow replaced my fear of death. 

3- This is a tricky question for me, since I went through it all at such a young age, and had no support group like this forum- to help me along.  If you feel comfortable with the group, or have your own closer support for the journey, I am not sure being young is a barrier.  No one asked me if I was too young. the experiences just happened.

4- There are moments that can be scary, but not any more so than life itself.  One thing to remember though is that as real as the experience can be, I do not think any of the scary stuff can actually hurt you.   

I was driving to work after having lunch and all of a sudden, I had a memory of myself before I incarnated to this world. I was discussing with other beings, the body I would inhabit and what life obstacles I would have to try and overcome. After the memory, I was filled with electricity and got goose bumps all over.

Has anyone ever experienced something similar?

I had an OOB experience where it seemed I was having a meeting - a sort of mid-term review- of the life I was in at this point here.  I have not had a sudden memory of a between life meeting as you describe.  You may want to read "Journey of Souls" by Michael Newton.

[d. 1919]

Oh and btw,

Do a text search for Father Bo on this page.

http://www.interment.net/data/us/mo/pettis/highpoint.htm

Hoplins, T. Spencer, Father, b. 1850, d. 1923
Hughes, Charley, b. 1868, d. 1944
Hughes, James W., b. Mar 27 1883, d. May 13 1950
Hughes, Katherine L., God Bless Our Baby, b. Sept 6 1960, d. Oct 17 1906
Hughes, Myrta S., Mother 1855, d. 1934
Hughes, Sadie L., b. Mar 9 1891
Hughes, Sigal H., Father Bo 1862, d. 1919
Hughes, Therman T., b. Feb 8 1908, d. Oct 28 1937, WWII
Hughes, Virginia B., b. 1880, d. 1951
Hughes, Walter W., Son, b. 1924, d. 1940

Yikes.  I had done a quick search including San Francisco, but could not find anything that was a link.  That is really odd. I will have to see if this is the one. But, even so, it is an odd coincidence. Thanks.

By the way, I have had one other experience similar to this where I thought I had merged into a person who was not my current self. That was my apparent merger into an Indian who happened to be in the middle of a ceremony to become a Shaman at the time Ire-entered his life. That one is in my blog.   

Last night I had the first real good OOBE-like experience I have had in a fair amount of time.  It started after a fairly restless period of time.  First, I felt an odd sensation unlike vibrations, but it still put me on guard for the start of an OOBE. Then, I felt like my non-physical self was oscillating slowly in and out of my physical.  That stopped, and I thought maybe that brief burst would be all that would happen.  Then, everything hit.  I found myself rolling in slow motion out of my body and slowly falling to the floor.
People ask at times what one does in an OOBE.  I usually have a pre-set goal. For me, this one was completely unexpected so I had no goal in mind when it started.  When I find that I have no goal, I usually just ask for whatever type of experience would be beneficial for me at this time.  When I had that thought, I immediately took off towards San Francisco. Not that I thought I wanted to go there for any reason. It was just the feeling I had that that was my destination.
First I flew out on my own, and then I became aware of what felt like hands grabbing onto mine.  The sensation grew more intense as we went on, almost feeling like I was getting an energy flow from the being or beings helping me. I say "beings" because at the point I was nearing my stop; my "arms" were held perpendicular to my body as whoever had me still held on. 
I landed, and immediately saw a person approaching me who was pretty agitated. In fact, it seemed he had a gun, and was pointing it at my head. Already, this is more intense than the usual run of the mill OOBE for me.  I felt threatened, and began to realize I was not the person who really was here in this experience. It was like I was another person, and was being judged on how I reacted to this person.  Somehow I faced them down long enough for others to get there to take control of the person with the gun.  Now the experience gets more interesting. 
It now began to dawn on the 'me' I was not 'me' as I am now, and this person I seemed to be had no memory of me or my current life.  I remember seeing San Francisco and walking around for miles at a time to the point my feet got sore.  And I could feel them as if I was really doing that at the time.  It was a totally immersed in the experience sort of thing.   
I got a sensation of knowing that I was a person known as "Father Bo." I had something to do with counseling persons at risk, or people who were either causing others problems, or the people involved with those persons- like family members of convicts, or others who had problems dealing with society.  At one point I remember asking someone what year it was. They said it was 1919, and I remember saying 'that does not seem possible.'
And the voice was totally different than my own.  It was like I heard this person talking to others, and knew we were connected in some way, at least in certain instances. I would hear him talk and know that this was not my voice- but I did not feel apart from being him either. It was very strange. 
Towards the end of this I had grown a bit older, and as an older man, was having more trouble with my feet. It was like I was finally realizing that I physically could not do my work anymore.  One of the people, who helped me at this point, was helping me soak my aching feet, and massaging my lower legs.  I looked down at my legs, and knew they were mine- I know this is odd. Of course they were mine.  But this was totally not like anything I have ever felt in a dream or an OOBE. It was a clear detail and feeling that I had a connection to this person.  And it was not only my feet that were a problem at this point. I was stiff and sore on most of my right side.  When I lifted my feet out of the basin they had been soaking in, my legs had a tremor in them.  My helper told me that he did not like the looks of that tremor.  I told him that I did not either, and for some reason, I laughed. 
Then suddenly, I was back and out of the experience. 

I'm not necessarily new to AP, but I'm no expert either. Probably about once a month I'll lucid dream, and from there go OOB. I was thinking today about how I would like to visit a friend that's 600 miles away, and I wanted to leave him something. Maybe write a few words on a piece of paper in his room or something. Is that possible? I've heard of spirits doing it before, so I can't see how it would be much different if I were to do it. My only concern is that I would end up going through what I try to write with. Is there any other way that I can make it obvious that I was there?

Thanks guys

Bob Monroe of "Journies out of the Body" fame, claimed to have pinched someone and they had a mark on them from it.  I think I have been seen, but I was not ever able to write anyting or leave other physical evidense. 

just wondering what an AP felt like? (If you can put it in words!)

Once you get over the sleep paralysis stuff- the weird sounds, and later how the vibrations feel, it is pretty much just a more intense version of what you feel every day.  It took me a while to get used to "thinking" movement, and being what appears to be someplace other than where your body seemed to still be- the sense of dual location.  For more descriptions of how it went for me, visit my blog seen in the signature line.     

There's another fairly mundane possibility we haven't considered hear yet. I've always found my sense of hearing is greatly amplified in a sleep paralysis state (for example, I can hear my neighbour over the road showering, etc.). It might be that someone nearby was listening to the radio or watching TV and you heard it.

The station I heard claimed to be in Ohio, and I am in No. California.   That is pretty sensitive hearing. . .   

[So yesterday I was taking a nap, and had kind of woken up to that feeling of sleep paralysis. I couldn't move or open my eyes, but I could hear loud as day, two people talking. One was a female voice, the other a male. Their voices sounded professional, as if I was hearing a radio broadcast. They were talking about sports. I was able to remember a few things that were said and once I was able to force myself out of the sleep paralysis state, I wrote it down. They were talking about the Celtics basketball team, and then about how a player named "Durant" was having such a stellar and amazing season. Now let me be very clear here- I don't follow sports, and I couldn't even probably name any NBA player. (I wasn't even sure if the Celtics were baseball or basketball until one of them mentioned basketball) So I looked up the name Durant when I got online, and he's ranked like #2 this year in the NBA!! He's also linked to the Celtics team because he was originally going to play for them, but decided not to. I guess the cool thing is, it wasn't just voices and chatter I was hearing. I was actually able to verify this information. Now I'm just baffled- how in the world am I picking up radio signals in my head?? Anybody have anything similar happen to them? I was totally alone when this happened, and no t.v. or radio was even on in my house.]

So yesterday I was taking a nap, and had kind of woken up to that feeling of sleep paralysis. I couldn't move or open my eyes, but I could hear loud as day, two people talking. One was a female voice, the other a male. Their voices sounded professional, as if I was hearing a radio broadcast. They were talking about sports. I was able to remember a few things that were said and once I was able to force myself out of the sleep paralysis state, I wrote it down. They were talking about the Celtics basketball team, and then about how a player named "Durant" was having such a stellar and amazing season. Now let me be very clear here- I don't follow sports, and I couldn't even probably name any NBA player. (I wasn't even sure if the Celtics were baseball or basketball until one of them mentioned basketball) So I looked up the name Durant when I got online, and he's ranked like #2 this year in the NBA!! He's also linked to the Celtics team because he was originally going to play for them, but decided not to.

I guess the cool thing is, it wasn't just voices and chatter I was hearing. I was actually able to verify this information. Now I'm just baffled- how in the world am I picking up radio signals in my head?? Anybody have anything similar happen to them?  I was totally alone when this happened, and no t.v. or radio was even on in my house.

It has happened to me too. Last time I heard the city the station was in, which was Anderson, Ohio- a place I had not heard of. Actually, it seems there are two Anderson, Ohio listings in MapQuest.  Also, I heard a song that they said was from the Japanese Saxophone, which is a cd that does exist.   

Hey- Good experience. 
I have rotated as you describe, but a very long time ago at this point. Also, the false awakenings can be a bit tricky. I have had a couple of different levels of false awakenings. It can be hard to trust that this time you are really, really awake instead of only really awake. 

So i kept waking up in the morning (like 10 times) from random dreams and saying "ok this time i will remember that i am dreaming" . So sure enough I did. I was on a soccer field and was playing soccer and all of a sudden i said "i am dreaming this is a dream, i am now lucid" But unfortunately i really wanted to continue with the soccer dream because now that i knew i was lucid i wanted to score a goal! so i said well i will score this goal and then do other stuff. to make a long story longer, I went to go score the goal, got it stolen from me and slipped back into the dream. So what the hell.... This has happened before, i cant seem to stay lucid. I didn't even score!

Tips for staying lucid?

Also, in my net dream i knew i was dreaming and said oh im dreaming. But then i said, oh no i must be awake because that was to easy.....wtf. I'm ticked at dream logic.

Good news, I'm getting closer.

sorry for the length

It is interesting that you knew it was a dream, wanted to stay in it long enough to score a goal, but still did not control the dream enough to make it happen.  Staying with the concept and setting of a dream is not the way to stay lucid- or to go beyond that.  I guess to really take control; you have to break the setting of the dream in some way, like to do something you know is not possible in real life.

One good example I have from a dream I had long ago- In the dream I found myself driving a motorcycle at high speed down a winding mountain road.  In the dream I realized that I must be dreaming this, because there was no way in real life that I would be doing this since I do not have or ride a motorcycle. I could have gone two ways here. I could have thought to myself since this is a dream, I want to feel what it is like to ride a motorcycle down this road, or I could just break this dream apart.  I chose to break it apart. When the next turn came up, I steered the thing out off of the cliff. As I started to fall, the dream disappeared, and I stayed lucid. 

Fair enough.  One thing though about me is that I have not been able to project at will.  This thing sort of comes and goes in clusters for me (3-4 a night three nights in a row, and then absent for months at a time), and in the last few years it has been notably absent.  So, I did not read about this and decide it would be fun to try.  I had to learn to live with it, thinking that if I did not learn to live with it, it may have driven me nuts- or at least more nuts than I got on my own.   I have had some experiences in the past though with attempting to project and share experiences.  Those are mentioned in the blog. 

Hi Spark-
Well, I have been having these experiences for most of my life- off and on for around 50 years. That may qualify me, although at times I still feel like I am a beginner.  For a brief overview of my journey, see my blog.  (Link in the sig line)