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That is a fantastic experience. 

You're on the right track.  Just keep doing it.

One thing I will say is that you did not experience sleep paralysis.  That is simply you unplugging your mind from your physical senses.  You become disassociated from your body.  In effect, you forget it's there and that is the idea.  Go for that.

Don't get hung up on "what to expect".  There are commonalities that people experience, but you can't generalize this experience.  It's a unique and subjective experience and you are the only one who can be sure. 

Just keep going, you're doing great.

I say quit.

I don't want to justify this motivational technique, so I won't.  I want you to project and I want you to keep going.

But I'm telling you to quit.

hahahaha!

i love these posts.

my vision fades to black and i'm in my bed.

i never practice at night and i never fall fully asleep because i am sometimes aware of physical things happening in my room even when i'm away (like my cat jumping on the bed).

Rupert Sheldrake's morphic resonance is also a very interesting idea on human existence.

Of course there's also the fun ones like Terrance McKenna who had the "stoned ape" theory, in which as primates, we came out of the trees and started eating psychedelic mushrooms and found that they enhanced our senses and made us better at obtaining food.  so we continued to eat them more and more and over time they caused our brain to evolve into modern human.  he believed that we shouldn't have stopped that practice...  Some say he tried to evolve his own brain with DMT.  Then he died of a brain tumor.  Weird huh? 

I'm down.

I also have an upcoming post that is in line with this thought on a more general basis.  I'm writing it offline because I'm putting a lot of thought into it.  Perhaps people will really see the value in Lionheart's assertion after they read my post.

Also, people ought to pay attention to NoY's suggestions.  They seem strange sometimes, but there is strong wisdom in his words quite often.  He's helped me a lot, even if he doesn't know it.

Someone recently asked about protection for projection.

The answer is simple.

Why the hell would I need protection?

Done, protected.  Get it?

The only thing that you have to fear are the dark recesses of your own mind that you're unwilling to confront.  But they can't hurt you, it is you.  You'll never get trapped outside of your body because you don't leave your body.  You're never in your body.  You are always everywhere.  Astral Projection is simply changing the angle of your perception and view the world in a different way.  Your consciousness is infinite in that regard, and undertaking Astral Projection is simply deciding to look around instead of focusing only on your physical life.

Sorry for the late reply. Anything that involves the evolution of man kind and how it all began

Look into an author named Michael Cremo.

"The Gods of Eden" by William Bramely is also a good book.

I'll look through my kindle and bookcases and give you a few more later.

But you can check out Erik Von Daniken books, though he's got dozens.  "Chariots of the Gods" was his first and lays it out pretty simply.

Michael Tsarion is good too.

I bought 'The Red Book'... Jungs "Liber Novus".. apart from the fact it is a beautiful book... it is his journal of ideas and experiences he had when he took a 5 year sabbatical from professional psychology. His peers thought he'd had a mental breakdown. He was in fact getting heavily into what he called 'active imagining' which must be put in there with OOBEs/LDs/AP... all the same thing like you said. He worked out archetypes and didn't fully believe it was completely his own subjective mind that was causing it. He attributed a lot to religious iconography. All in all he derived his whole approach to psychology because of what he had learned.

As you know personalreality... Freud rules mainstream psychology... Jung is studied as a sideline... which I think is a shame.

Active Imagination Techniques is a thread that I started a while back that Xanth stickied.  Totally with you on that one.

Freud is a two sided coin.  One side is brilliant, he first posited the subconscious (though he called it the unconscious) and was a great mentor and collaborator with Jung.  The crappy side is Freudian psychoanalysis.  The idea of psychoanalysis isn't all bad, but Freud was too hung up on his stages of sexual development and based way too much of his analysis on sex.  I think that burned his reputation.  But his work before psychoanalysis was brilliant stuff.

You're right though.  Freud is focused on because in its day, psychoanalysis was seen as a huge breakthrough in mental health treatment.  But in psych classes, it's just treated as a section of psychological history.  Nowadays, they focus on this multi-dimensional cognitive-behavioral type of therapy that manifests in various different forms of treatment. 

Jung is seen as a passed fad.

Bedeekin may be able to help more than me then. 

I've never had a spontaneous projection that I remembered.

Yes personalreality I agree about the different levels of awareness of the experience itself. It makes perfect sense. I'm still new to all of this and at times have difficulty in distinguishing between projection; OBE; lucid dream; etc. As far as the subconscious mind theory I do not have enough experience to make that judgment myself. However I am beginning to see how incredibly powerful the subconscious mind really is.  Last semester in one of my psych classes I was amazed to find out that there are a few psychological theories that do not even acknowledge the existence of a subconscious mind.

BTW I just clicked on your SOC link; read for a bit and subscribed to your blog. However when I click on "Nonphysical Journal" I get an error message telling me the content is not there.

My undergraduate is in psychology and I can tell you right now that the field is mostly corrupted.  The kind of psychology that pertains to what we do is classified under "parapsychology" and most psychologists don't think highly of parapsychology.  They think it's a joke and that is gives a bad name to their field.  Neuroscience has usurped the throne of the once great psychological minds like Jung and Freud, people who had the imagination to think about those deeper places in the mind.  Today psychologists are so afraid of being called superstitious and "soft" that they completely black list and block real inspired consciousness research.  I think there are more sinister things at work, but that's another talk for another day.

http://astrallyknown.livejournal.com/

that's the address to my online projection/dream journal.  all the links should work correctly now.

I was sort of half joking. I should have emoted a wink. I meant it tongue in cheek.

I have been back on other forums over the last few days after not being active for a year... all I found were people telling me that SP was a redundant method... or that my method was dangerous because of me not using chakra exercises. I nearly got into a negative discussion and had to just drop it.

I felt comfortable enough here to sort of finally say something when I read your post.

That probably explains my reaction to it.

anyway... hello personalreality.

I assumed there was winking involved.

I just returned as well from a fairly long sabbatical.

People are stupid and superstitious.

They like to think that they have everything figured out, you know?  They find one tiny foothold of an argument and hang on for dear life because they've got nothing else to criticize, and they lack the creativity to produce a solution to the criticisms they find.  They like to argue about semantics and far too often miss the point.

I say people ought to take their chakras and shove them up their bums!   

A bunch of westerners trying to force themselves to understand reality through the mind of a culture they've never been to, let alone lived in, grew up in, learned to exist in....ridiculous. 

But hey, people are gullible and lack imagination, what can you do?

anyway... hello Bedeekin.

But if this guy uses SP to project and it stopped and he doesn't know what to do, then I fully expect you to offer him a solution.  Because you know about SP and projection.   

Well then it looks like my advice will be contradicted then... not only my advice but my original method.

Where to go from here then eh?

If you intend to give recommendation regarding sleep paralysis, don't let me stop you.  Like I said, I rarely experience it and my argument against teaching people to try to achieve SP is based on theoretical knowledge and semantics. 

That's how AstralCody typically does it, so if you've got the experience, your advice could certainly "mesh" better with AstralCody's experience with projection and might work a lot better than my advice.

But whatever your intention, I say advise!  Advise away!  Different perspectives are always useful in one way or another.

@StrangeDreams

Those semi-conscious experiences sound kind of like good old fashioned dreams.  Of course, I'm one of those people who doesn't separate a dream from and OBE or a Lucid Dream or whatever you want to call the experience.  In my opinion, the experience is the same, but awareness of the experience exists on a continuum from completely non-lucid (as in a typical dream that you watch like a movie) to full lucidity where you perceive the other realm, the dreamtime, the astral, etc., etc. just as if you were in waking reality.  So it's not the place that's different, but the angle of perception that is different.

That would then mean that I am implying that all of these experiences take place in your own subconscious.  People fight this idea, because they want to believe that there is an "out-there" that they go to, and I'm not saying that's wrong at all.  I believe the subconscious to be infinite and eternal, a shared gateway into the cosmos, all that is.  You can absolutely meet other entities, access physical realms, other planets, other dimensions/realms, etc.  But I think that on the whole, humans are significantly emotionally "damaged", for lack of a better word, and therefore emotionally immature.  It's like when a person experiences something traumatic at a young age and they get stuck emotionally.  I think something like that happened to humanity in our history and it was passed on through something like sheldrake's morphic resonance idea, genetic memory passed down through the generations.  Because of that, I think a lot of people project into what you might call a "biased" area that is populated by reflections of their own mind.  Until a person begins to heal their genetic emotional and individual emotional  "baggage", they might not really be projecting to the far off fanciful places they see themselves in (well, I mean they are there), but rather a corner of their own mind. 

There are more details and depth to my ideas, but that's kind of the gist of it.  Maybe i'll write something a little more thorough on psychological/astral theory later.

@ Pauli:  I was wearing my seat belt, but I guess it didn't lock, so I still whacked my head on the steering wheel.  My mom is a claims adjuster for Geico and has been with the company for 20+ years and has told me that people get hurt worse by airbag deployment than other things all the time.  She says it happens all the time, people who would have otherwise come out of an accident completely unscathed get all kinds of lacerations and chemical burns on their faces from the airbag deployment.  So, yea, I totally agree with you.


The cop took me to the hospital and had blood drawn (hoping to get lucky I guess), but he brought his own blood kit and he took the blood with him to be "sent off to a federal testing facility".  The cop is a state trooper rather than the city police or county sheriff.  So I was even at the hospital and he still wouldn't let me get checked out.

But here's my problem.  I think I can beat it, but it still may be tricky.  I'm currently on a kind of "opiate replacement" medication called Suboxone.  It's similar to methadone.  While I have a prescription for it, my blood test is going to test positive for opiates.  While I'm pretty sure it won't stick.  My lawyer says that even if he has to bring in a medical expert to testify to proper therapeutic dosage, he will.  But it's still frustrating that I have to go through all of this mess and that cop can mess with my life like this.  Police state if you ask me. 

I'm not a litigious person, so I don't care about suing for money, but my family really wants me to file a civil suit and have the cop fired.

It is what it is I guess.  I believe all will turn out well, but this kind of crap really messes up your day.  And in all likelihood, my trial won't even be for another month or two or more. 

Thanks for your kind words everyone.

I wasn't planning to share this here, but you guys always support me so I wanted to let you know a little about something that happened in my life.

I was in a car accident last saturday.  It was my fault, I looked at my cell phone and rear ended someone.  My airbags didn't deploy and I hit my head on the steering wheel and got knocked silly.  In my delirious state the officer decided I must have been on drugs and so he arrested me.  I was too dazed to say anything besides "I don't feel very good".  He ignored me and took my straight to jail where I had to spend the night.  I was charged with DUID (Driving Under the Influence of Drugs), which I wasn't.  Most of you know I have had a drug problem that I've been fighting for a long time, but I really wasn't high. 

It just seems so messed up that when I'm finally getting my life in order, I get slammed with bullcrap like this.  I've got a great attorney and I'm contesting the charge.  There are a lot of details that make this whole case a bunch of crap and my lawyer believes he can get it dropped.

But what really gets me is how I was treated.  I was dizzy, dazed, in shock and ultimately found out I had a concussion (I went to the hospital today and had a CAT Scan).  But instead of offering medical assistance, the officer arrested me.  Then he repeatedly denied me my right to call my attorney.  I wasn't read my rights, I was treated poorly and now I have to deal with all this legal crap.  It just pisses me off that a cop can pretty much do whatever he or she wants.  He wouldn't even allow me to exchange insurance info with the people I hit (the cop was sitting at a gas station next to the stop light so he saw it all happen and was on me before I even got out of my car).

Anyway, I just needed to vent a little.  I went to the hospital today and checked out ok.  I got a concussion, whiplash and plenty of muscle stress in my back and one hell of a sciatica flare up.  But I'm alive and I'll be alright.  Thanks for letting me share.

-PR

The aliens came a long time ago.  They were exiled here and a quarantine was put around earth and the moon.  Anything living/humanoid can't pass it.  There was a great war eons ago and nearly all of their technology was lost, so they've been spending all this time trying to rebuild.  The goal is to find a way to break through the quarantine and reach the "stargate" beyond the moon so they can finally escape earth.  Maybe they found a way to get past the quarantine and are planning to leave and the human elites get control of the planet after they (or their hybrid descendants) leave.  So they're getting us ready for our "new" overlords to come out into the open.

Hasn't NoY been saying that the London Olympics were gonna be an "illuminati" type ritual for a long time?

That's what 9/11 was.

Read the Carlos Castaneda series.  That's how Don Juan taught Carlos to "dream".

So if I don't experience the vibrations or the sounds and things at all, will I just 'know' when to attempt seperation?

Like I said, it's tricky.  I really only know when I "know".  I have become accustomed to the feeling right before I separate.  My advice is to just keep going and find your own "moment".  But I'll warn you, I practiced off and on for about 2 years before I had my first successful projection.  So it might take a little longer than you planned.  But if you keep doing it, you'll get there.  I also highly recommend investigating other means of projection, projection that goes by different names.

Personally, Pathworking helped me the most.  I might check out a couple books if I were you.

Walkers Between the Worlds by Caitlin & John Matthews
Soul Flight by Donald Tyson
Trance-portation by Diana Paxson

These three books are related to projection in a different way.  They are related to the "inner world" of projection.  For me, conquering that inner world, made it much easier to go to the outer realms.  And these practices only require imagination, not some deep trance and separation and blah blah.  They also give you a good idea of the true history of projection.  It's an age old skill practiced since humans have been humans.  I think it's good to really understand the subject you're tackling.

Every successful projection I've had has taken place between 3 and 6 pm.

What is this feeling? Is it part of AP'ing?

Yes and no.  Many people feel a "falling" type sensation that you might refer to as vertigo.  In fact, once you learn how to recreate that feeling through your own mental action, you can use it to achieve deeper levels of trance.  I actually use the falling sensation as my primary means of entering trance.

I say no because it's a signpost.  Signposts are things like vibrations, falling sensations, feelings of energy movement in your body, ringing in your ears, sounds, sights, etc.  Some people experience some of these, some experience all and some experience none of them.  The problem with signposts like these is that you become reliant on them and wind up conditioning yourself to project only when these sensations are present.  So what happens if these sensations suddenly stop for some reason?  You can't project.  So, use them, but don't become too reliant on them.  No one experiences projection in the exact same way, so use what you know about these signposts as a guide, not fact.

How can I better relax? What are some techniques?

Progressive relaxation is the best in my opinion.  You can use binurals to induce a state of trance, but your body may still hold tension.  Practice progressive relaxation without the intention of projection.  Just do it to get to a deep level relaxation then stop.  Do a session, take a number of deep breaths, then do it again.  Keep it up until you almost can't feel your body.

When do I attempt seperation? And when I do, do I just imagine my self pulling on a rope? Or will I physically feel my astral body climbing out of my body?

This is tricky.  it's different for everyone.  There is a tiny moment when you are balancing between the waking world and the sleeping world and that is your window.  It takes time to cultivate enough focus to be aware of that moment without either losing it and falling asleep or thinking about it too much and waking up.  The rope method is a good method, but it's what they call a "direct method".  See the difference between projection and most meditation practices is that projection has you focus outward, while meditation has you focus inward.  The rope method is one that has you focusing your mind outside of your body.  The idea is to disassociate from awareness of your body.  Focusing outside of your body will help you do that.  In this instance, at a certain point, you will pull yourself up out of your body.

Some other methods will have you reach a deep state of trance where you don't feel you body and then you would roll out of your body.  That's usually what I do.

Welcome.  Interesting site.

I used to talk to Kurt a lot outside of the forum, particularly because he uses a lot of crystals in his work and I am a huge crystal fan.  We got to discussing how crystals are used in the process and it was fascinating stuff.

Kurt was a guy who was adventurous, but he thought he was above the forum in many ways.  He ultimately left because of that.  It didn't rub the other members the right way.  However, he's a brilliant guy and has if he keeps at it, I think he can discover a great deal of useful technology.

I liked Kurt.  He riled things up around here, kind of like me.  He just went too far sometimes and people turned on him and he on them. 

But hey, that's the way things go sometimes.  We lost a talented individual, but it may have been best for the forum.

Here's the tricky question.  Were you projecting into your own subconscious or somewhere else?

I've found that people often project into a realm that is isolated from the greater reality in a sense.  It's a realm created by their subconscious and only exists for them.  There are often people there, but they aren't really people, they are projections of your subconscious.  Parts of you. 

Perhaps you encountered a part of yourself that you aren't ready to confront.