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I have reason to believe (although it could be a coincidence) that this happened to me once.

One one OBE I walked through a wall into our second bathroom then outside and flew around a bit.  In the morning my wife asked me why all the stuff from the bathroom was over the floor.  The stuff which had fell was located at EXACTLY the same position I went through the wall.  There are no windows in this bathroom and no air moves through there.  The door was shut when we woke up.

Like I say, many things could account for this so I am not saying this happened when projecting for certain, but it certainly gave me food for thought.

Like light487 says, its best to attempt after a complete cycle - in fact you actually normally wake up after a cycle very briefly but you arent aware of it.

Now, there are 2 main things which I have tried.  I read many places that the best time to attempt any wake induced LD or AP is in the early morning after you are rested.  This is because as you progress through the night, the % of each sleep cycle that is "deep sleep" decreases.  For example, the first cycle of the night will be mainly deep sleep and as you get through to the morning, the cycles will be mainly REM (which is when you dream).  So therefore, people suggest attempting in the early morning so you dont enter deep sleep but take advantage of the REM/Dream and move directly into it (WILD or Phasing).  HOWEVER...

I find that when I try to do anything in the mornings, I am too awake to stay still.  While staying still is not a pre-requisite of attempting a WILD/Phasing (in fact some people suggest getting up and moving around first - however this makes everything impossible for me) I prefer the method of staying still and then transitioning from there.  If I try to stay still in the early hours I am too restless and have to move around which for me personally ruins the attempt.  

I have had the most success when waking up directly after the first cycle.  Granted, this did not result in a WILD or a Phasing but it resulted in me being able to remain still but also conscious which immediately has me vibrating and exiting - literally within 5-10 seconds.  

So I would say if you want to WILD or Phase (practically the same thing) I would suggest early morning when you can move directly (and hopefully consciously) into a dream state during REM.  If you find WILD or Phasing too hard at the moment (as I do) I would suggest auto-programming yourself to wake after the first or 2nd cycle and remain completely still with your eyes closed.  Every single time I have managed to do this, I have had an OBE within seconds.  Its just hard not to move!

PS: For some reason the link isn't working for me! Is it maybe misspelled?
-Cody

Wow that is correct!  It appears as though the domain has not been renewed! 

I agree with all the above, but I want to suggest one thing - throw Astral Dynamics on the shelf for now!

The information is very, lets say, in depth (aka confusing) for someone starting out.  I personally think its too much to swallow at first.  It was the first book I read on the subject and it did NOTHING to help me project.  Projection is like learning to ride a bike.  You start with training wheels then when you have mastered that, you have them taken off.  I suggest the same with projection.  (I just want to point out, I am back on training wheels at the moment!).

The first bit of reading that got me my first OBE was the ebook at www.vehram.com.  The simple technique described uses your sleep cycles to your advantage, rather than lying down trying to meditate which IMHO is near impossible for a beginner to all of this.  If you are a beginner in meditation, its unlikely that you will be able to get to a state ready for projection without lots of practice.  However it just so happens that the sleep cycle provides the PERFECT state for projection - use it!  Once you get used to projecting in this manner, move on to the wake incuded techniques.

As far as reading a book goes, I would recommend "Astral Projection and the Nature of Reality" by John Magnus.  It is simply his direct accounts of his experience along with excellent practical techniques and tips - no esoteric / scientific theory getting in the way as in Astral Dynamics!

As I hoped, reading Astral Pulse triggered some strange experiences last night.  Its weird how reading and writing about projection seems to help trigger them!

So last night, after spending alot of time yesterday reading stuff on here, I went to bed and put on Xanths 4hz binaural track for the first time.  I have to say it brought me from an irritated state of mind down to a light trance very nicely.  I didnt check the BWgen profile but after a while it started to bring me back up, I assume it is designed to go down to 4hz then back up?  Anyway I then put on Condition B from TMI which I normally use to get to sleep of late.  I fell asleep.

I recall dreaming about some guy who was teaching me skills.  I remembered thinking this was like Don Juan Matus, at which point I became slightly lucid.  In this lucid "dream" I was in a one on one session with this person who was taking me through a checklist of needed skills. I dont recall what they were - I wasnt 100% lucid. 

Then I woke up - I woke my wife to tell her how happy I was about what happened.  She congratulated me.  Then I realised I was still not really awake.  The reality felt like the one I had just woken up from.  I then tried to wake up properly but went back into the "dream" with this guy teaching me stuff. He seemed to be continuing from where we left off just before I "woke".

I woke up again and picked up my iphone and sent myself an email about my false awakening and the teacher so I wouldnt forget.  Once I had sent the email I realised I was STILL not awake because my iphone screen was configured very differently and I still didnt feel fully awake (or fully lucid for that matter).  Once again I lay back and re-entered the dream of the teacher.  Finally I really woke up with my head spinning and a need to use the bathroom! 

There may have been another false awakening in there too as I recall multiple occurrences of seeing the teacher type dude but I cant remember specifically. 

I have no clue what all this means but it was my first strange experience since practically Christmas when I last Phased.  I was never fully lucid, but lucid enough to realise it was not physical reality.

That is not necessarily true. If you learned to control Cocaine to project than you would succeed. There are scientists of the past that used LSD as a method as well. I remember when I was younger I took Acid a couple of times. I did the unthinkable on it, I went to sleep 1 hour after taking it. Everyone said it would be impossible, but i did. Mind over matter!

LSD is VERY different to cocaine!  LSD in my opinion, HELPS achieve altered states of consciousness. 

In the end I think that every case is different.  Certain drugs in certain quantities taken by different people will almost certainly affect them differently.  There are always debates on here about whether weed or booze helps or hinders projection and there are always people on both sides of the fence.  All I was trying to get across is that I dont think its correct to say that drugs only affect you if you think they will.  Drugs have varied effects on everyone.

Well, honestly... why do you think the placebo effect is getting harder and harder for the pharmacy business to beat? 
Because, when it comes right down to it, I believe our medication is "more" of the mind than of what's in the pill.

I understand that, but the fact remains certain drugs do indeed affect our body.  Imagine trying to project on cocaine!  It would not work!

Like I said, I dont know about the drugs mentioned but I dont think you can make a blanket statement saying that medication only affects you if you think it will.

They will only interfere if you think they will!

Hmm, not wanting to sound negative but I am not sure this is the case with medication.  If you look at all forms of medication as drugs, you have to then put them into the same bracket as alcohol and other recreational drugs too.  Many people have trouble projecting whilst under the influence of certain drugs.  

I am not familiar with either of the medications the OP is taking but I know from past experience that drugs (namely alcohol) which affect the mind, depending on quantities, most certainly had an affect on my ability to project.  Yes, projection is essentially disassociation from the body, but in order to disassociate the (physical) mind and body must be in a certain state.  Some drugs aid this, some hinder it.

Hopefully someone with experience with these particular substances can provide a better answer

Hello all,

Over the last year or so my AP practices have waned due to setting up a business, working on it and also being too distracted in other areas of my life (unfortunately).

Anyway, now that my business is becoming stable I want desperately to begin...hopefully where I had left off...however that is not the case.

Let me explain what I concluded about AP when I was practicing last time (fairly successfully)....

To me, projection is more than a set of instructions and methods, much like ANYTHING we learn.  For example, the first time we drive a car (I drive only manual cars) we are told how to operate the clutch in order to engage the gears at the correct time (sorry if this analogy is lost on those who drive automatics!).  These are simple instructions and are 100% correct.  But until you get a FEEL for how the clutch works and the gears engage, it is not as simple as the actual words used to describe it.  You may manage to do it partially correct and you can drive, but its normally jerky at first.  To use a more universal analogy, it is the same as playing the guitar.  You are shown the chords and the order in which they need to be played, but while I knew chords almost immediately, it took a while to get the FEEL and play a passable song.

For me it was the same with projection.  I was given methods and the methods are correct, but at first nothing worked.  It all came down to getting that FEEL for it.

Now I have restarted my practices, that FEELING has gone.  I am doing exactly the same technique as I used to, but its not working.  The feelings I obtained last time have vanished and I feel I am at square one again.  Now when I try to project I keep hitting road blocks.  For example, previously when I hit a certain stage (lets use noticing for example) I had the feelings required to stop myself from bouncing myself back to physical reality.  I could notice the state I was in in a passive manner and progress to the next stage, now I just bounce back. 

After re-reading this I cant recall the purpose of this post, however I would like to point out to people trying to project for the first time, or indeed repeat their sporadic projections, that the secret lies not in performing the technique(s) correctly, but reaching the point where you put it all together as a feeling.  I see alot of posts along the lines of "I am lying there, breathing correctly, relaxed, mind awake body asleep but nothing happens" etc.  I would say to these people, stop focusing on the act of DOING, but to change your way of thinking to the act of feeling.  Now when I drive my car I do EVERYTHING that was was told to do when I started, yet now I dont DO it, I just feel it.

I remember once when I asked my dad when he was driving "why did you just press the clutch just there?" and he replied "I dont know, I didnt realise I did".  Now I do the same thing when driving - I dont DO the technique of driving, I just do it as instinct, as a feeling.  The same applies to projection (in my opinion). 

I find experienced projectors try to explain the steps they take (which are correct) but often they dont convey the feeling aspect, because they dont even notice they are doing it, much like my dad when he was driving.  I personally felt the same, I didnt realise I had simply merged the technique into a ball of feeling, rather than steps in a process.  It is only now that I cannot project anymore that I realise the missing link is simply that I have lost the merging of the technique into a feeling and have been doing it as a process.

I recall the posts of Frank Kepple when he states that he doesnt DO any technique, it just happens (or something along those lines) - I think this is the key!

Anyway, sorry to go on, I just wanted to share my observations in this respect and I hope that this can help people trying to succeed (me included!).

LaBerge's book is the canonical lucid dreaming text. Great practical methods for developing the skill. Robert Moss is another great author on the subject of dreams. I recommend starting with his books Dreamgates or Conscious Dreaming.   

I second Robert Moss - he's a great conscious dreamer (he prefers this term over Lucid Dreamer) with a strong foundation in the original dreaming methods - shamanism. 

A good way to stop the jerk off-ing your chances is to practice breath counting. 

The way that has been working for me is to first learn how you sleep breath by recording it one night.  Lay down and mimic your sleep breath and on every exhale count and visualise the number.  Do this up to number 5, then back down to 1 and repeat ensuring to visualise the number each time.  You will find (or should find) that you will still get hypnogic imagery but because your mind is slightly more alert due to the focussing on counting and visualising that you wont be as shocked and therefore will be less likely to jerk.

Dont be tempted to go further than 5 up and 5 down as this will make you lose a vital thread of concentration and you'll most certainly fall asleep (at least I do!).

You know a lot of people take up all sorts of hobbies such as sports or certain arts. Then, there are those who master such hobbies. Those people are professionals. I don't quite understand why that's a bad thing lol.

This doesnt add anything to this thread but just wanted to point out that professional is a term used for people who get PAID to do something, not people who are good at something.

I need help getting into a trance any body know of any way to go into a trance without laying there all day like i do.

The best way to get into a trance would depend on what kind of person you are (visual, auditory, tactile) but all with the goal of disassociation with your body as mentioned above.  If you are a visual person, doing active visualisations should be a good way to disassociate.  If you are auditory (as I am) then listening to the ringing in your ears or binaurals may be the best option.  If you are a tactile person then imagining yourself dropping (in an elevator or climbing ladders) and feeling the sensations associated with these activities should would help you disassociate. 

But as already said by the others, you need to disassociate with your body to the point where you dont even consider it.

I read Astral Dynamics and then looked at my hands when projecting and they didnt melt, although they did look fake.

...You feel like you're zooming in on it, may feel some sort of shift/change and suddenly you are there, in the image. .

Ah I didnt read your post fully before my last reply but ZOOMING is better than sucked to describe it!  Definitely.

I read all of that and I still dont understand what phasing is...

in the middle of a dream someone once said to me "your not really here right now, your actually still asleep in your bed"
I realised I was dreaming but I lost the dream and woke up in bed...only the bed wasnt mine and I realised that it was sort of a false awakening...had full out of body awareness..from there I was able to talk to quite a few people and explore a little before "returning" to my body

Is that phasing??
there was no vibrations

I think you had a dream, which in essence *IS* projecting, but that is not phasing.  Think of when you fall asleep and you see hypnogogic images, ok?  Well imagine stepping into those images.  Thats phasing.  Another way to explain is when you are in the hypnopompic stage (normally when you wake up in the morning) and you fall back asleep and move straight into a dream without any deep sleep - imagine you did this (move from wake to dream) without losing conscious awareness.  To me it actually feels like I am sucked into the scene.  Very bizarre feeling!   

Basically as Xanth said, phasing is transferring your CONSCIOUS awareness elsewhere but I hope the above explanations help.

Forget vibrations, they mean nothing for phasing or any other type of projection. 

Last night I had 2 very powerful and realistic dreams.  In one of them I had a ritual performed on me.  Here is an excerpt of part of the dream:

He then started the ritual on me.  I knelt down and closed my eyes.  I felt his hands move around some how then he put them on the side of my face.  Some more movement from him then he touched his lips to mine and blew in my mouth.  In that instant I felt so different.  I could barely feel my body and sounds were muted.  The outside world seemed to disappear and I felt myself float to the ground, still in my body.  I kept telling myself to remain focussed so as not to let the "spell" take over and for around 5 minutes I did this.  I managed to get movement back in my arm and I pried my eye lids open and all I could see was a black and white rotating kind of spirograph thing.  It ws circular with black and white squares making up rows of circles.  Anyway, next I knew I was running away.

Yesterday I received my Level 1 Reiki Attunement and it was fairly powerful.  I have a feeling the dream is linked to that, but I would also like to check if this is sounds like any magickal ritual that anyone knows of? 

If you want to see my full dream and my possible interpretation you can click http://www.dreamjournal.net/journal/index.cfm?username=AstralBeginnings&dream_id=162424

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2. Yes, only 2 Lucid Dreams though
3. I dont practice Lucid Dreaming specifically but as I think its the same as projection we can say since April 2010.
4) Both.  In your head is where the true reality lies in my opion - consciousness IS reality.  Is that in or out of our "heads"?
5) I have had OBE's all my life but didnt know what they were - my first time consciously was April 2010.
6) I have an OBE related experience normally around 1 time per month but sometimes more and sometimes less (when I am busy with work)
7) Since April 2010 I have had around the 10-15 mark, I am not sure as I dont update my journal/blog with every occurence - but prior to this I have had a fairly large amount throughout my life but didnt know what they were at the time.
I think OBE's and dream control / awareness are very important TO ME.  I have my own reasons and these are what makes them important for me.
9) I remember my dreams extremely well and in great depth.
10) Spiritual and for fun.
11) I am not sure what you mean by "daily awareness"?
12) Do you mean something like mindfulness? 
13) Very aware I guess.
14) My first conscious OBE changed me forever.

Well if you want someone else to review, I'm skeptical about sites like this and I like reviewing stuff so if you want another perspective, let me know

My initial thought is Chemtrails (if they are true) - not sure if that explains the fish though?

How exactly do you use crystals?  Just by having them close or something else?

Haha maybe

I can give you a  procedure that were used by others to heal their own physical disease, if you want.  It's the kind of thing that requires time and practice, and stay-with itness.
Let me know if you want it.

Hi CF, that would be great Thank you

From my expected perspective.  My usual perspective.
I'm here... and I just perceive it as if someone was standing over me pouring water on the top of my head, but the water is actually just coming from my crown center.

Perfect thanks - this is where Ive been having conflicting approaches making the visualisation less successful.

From what perspective do you visualise it, or do you just feel it?