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yes. like any skill or ability you can "forget" how to use it. aka, unlearn it through just not using it for a long time. i've lost a few metaphysical abilities over the years ^_^

~kakkarot

so you're looking at the floor for lengths of time, and it starts to look funky? it's likely just a normal thing where if your senses don't give your brain new input after a while, your brain starts hallucinating to make up for it.

~kakkarot

maybe it's lonely and just wants someone to talk to? ^_^

try analyzing what it's doing to you in order to cause the effects that it is causing, and then countering them? []

~kakkarot

so what proof would satisfy you, orcher? you say it so easily "give me proof" but you don't specify what constitutes hard, reliable, objective *proof* that you would accept.

as for the listen to your heart/soul things: i also believe that most of the times they are used they are crap, but there is some truth to them. the heart and soul have senses which go beyond the physical, though most people never learn to utilize them properly because they are too used to relying upon their physical senses. others never refine their non-physical senses and instead take anything they feel and improperly interpret from their senses, as being true: it's like touching a black burner that's been turned on, realizing it's hot, and then believing that anything black is hot (misassociation).

~kakkarot

a friend of mine (somewhat promiscuous) told me once that i should stay a virgin because everytime he had sex it felt like he was giving up a part of his soul to that person.

since i'm a virgin i don't know if that's true of not but i just thought i'd mention it ^_^

~kakkarot

change yourself inside so that you aren't negative []. meditation and self-reflection help a great deal [].

~kakkarot

people don't need bad karma to "teach" them a lesson. i've helped lots of people by talking with them and helping them understand themself and their situation, no dire consequences needed []. in fact, it works better to give them good energy and give them hope and caring than it does to be all like "you were bad, you're now being punished!".

~kakkarot

when i first saw the topic title i decided not to read it. when i saw that it had seven replies and 42 reads and squeek was the latest reply i realized something was up so i thought i'd peek in and see ^_^

~kakkarot

i think the first step is to "right" yourself, or make yourself the better person that you hope others will become. then it's just a matter of living your life and touching people's lives and helping them understand that being good isn't impossible and isn't a "worse life" than the life of someone doing evil [].

there seems to be a lot of misconception that a good person leads a harder life than an evil person, because the good person is supposedly more restricted in what they can do. but in reality, being good isn't more restricted, it's simpler and happier []. a person who is good in their soul will reflect that in their life (as opposed the the "pretender" or the "hopeful" who go through the actions but still have the internal struggle which makes their life harder).

~kakkarot

and what proof could satisfy you?

~kakkarot

to be a christian, one must CHOOSE to follow God's will and seek Him out. by definition, a christian is one who follows Christ, and one cannot follow ANYTHING if they do not have the mental capacity to understand what is happening around them and the mental capacity to make choices based upon their observations ^_^

so baptising children is completely useless and any sub-religion of christianity which tries to tell you otherwise is a load of crock and not worth your time [].

i know what it's like to love someone so dearly and to want good things for them [] but unfortunately, baptising your daughter is not going to be a good thing for her (though it won't be bad either).

but there are other things you can do for her, like just loving her as you already do []. be well

~kakkarot

lol, you make a good point, lifebreath [].

~kakkarot

i've also noticed a decrease in food eating (when i'm not training in the martial arts). there are some people in this world who survive on chi alone, so i guess it's pretty easy to understand that intaking some extra chi could drop the appetite a bit ^_^

~kakkarot

wow, warm reception... *cough*

Welcome to the Forums, Assult [].

~kakkarot

i'm sorry wendi but i disagree []. good people can use these techniques to gain insight into people they meet, as well as (as the article says) pass good energy over to the other person []. a tool is a tool, being neither good nor evil, and the tool can be used for good [].

if you meant more specifically, the vamping portion of this, then while i do agree that it's not generally a good thing, humans can be evil without the need of an outside malignant entity to push them.

~kakkarot

or perhaps both came through decisions on how to treat life experiences [].

~kakkarot

or maybe we'll all die in a nuclear holocaust whilst believing someone will help up [].

~kakkarot

well, i'm only 22 and i've only been using chi for 7ish years now, but i think energy work, combined with a happy and healthy outlook/attitude in life, contribute to a youthful body []. far better than what worrying and fear and destruction to your energy body would do to you [].

~kakkarot

just thought i'd post a discussion/teaching that happened in a chat room recently: (please, don't start up discussions about the female egg thing. they had a discussion about it and i edited it out because it had nothing really to do with the topic. i stopped editing out the irrelevant stuff about halfway through cause it was tiresome)

[18:18] <Koujiryuu> First of all I must outline and destroy any preconceptions about "jing".
[18:19] <Koujiryuu> Too many people think that jing is simply sperm/DNA...
[18:19] <Koujiryuu> Indeed, that is one of the aspects of it, and one of the translations of the ideogram
[18:20] <Koujiryuu> It also means "force" or "essence", as any who have studied taiji can say.
[18:21] <Koujiryuu> In the daoist tradition, there are 3 cinnabar fields, or dantien.
[18:23] <Koujiryuu> the lower field, aka the svadhisthana chakra...
[18:24] <Koujiryuu> holds the sexual energy of a human, referred to as neiqi, (original qi), as inherited by parents.
[18:25] <Koujiryuu> This is jing, and it is quite a tangible force that can be manipulated by the mind/yi.
[18:27] <Koujiryuu> universal qi, or simply qi, is aligned to the middle dantian, the anahata chakra, located in the heart. The seat of love.
[18:28] <Koujiryuu> Now, qi can be transformed into jing, which is essentially taking the universal qi and transforming it into "neiqi". This literally strengthens your own personal soul, in the daoist sense.
[18:29] <Koujiryuu> The last cinnabar field corresponds to the pineal gland, or the ajna chakra, and is the basis of shen, "spirit-intellect".
[18:29] <Koujiryuu> That comes much later in daoist training, after the jing has been built up to such a point that it is raised up the dumei (governor channel, your backbone meridian)....
[18:30] <Koujiryuu> aka "kundalini awakening".
[18:30] <Koujiryuu> So before you can do the microcosmic orbit, you must have a sufficient supply of jing.
[18:31] <Koujiryuu> If you have meditated a lot and stored qi in the lower field, by compressing it, you may be able to do it now...
[18:31] <Koujiryuu> Is everyone following so far?
[18:32] <Watchtower> question
[18:32] <Koujiryuu> go ahead
[18:32] <Watchtower> I have always been taught that jing, by it's "Power" translation, is not compressed qi, but rather physical force created by the body
[18:33] <Watchtower> but you say that it is compressed qi
[18:33] <Watchtower> I know the body converts qi to jing and vice versa
[18:34] <Watchtower> but I did not think it was by compression
[18:35] <Watchtower> explanation?
[18:35] <Koujiryuu> It is, however there is a lot of confusion in the west about jing....many westerners who have brought taiji and qigong to the west intentionallly obscure the true meaning and use of jing, in order to remain more powerful than others....
[18:35] <Koujiryuu> They don't want people to know that it is much more than physical power or force, in order to remain superior to their students...
[18:38] <Koujiryuu> The body does convert qi to jing and vice versa...after sexual orgasm, when one is "spent", and has an "afterglow", that is caused by the loss of jing. Jing cannot be restored unless you do it yourself...
[18:39] <Koujiryuu> Conversion happens in the process of the bodies' making of sperm/egg cells....
[18:41] <Koujiryuu> Theres a lot of confusion on the point of jing. I assumed someone would raise that point...
[18:42] <Koujiryuu> Now for a technique to "make" jing, by converting it from qi....

[18:43] <Koujiryuu> Stand up, with legs shoulder width apart, and hands at sides, palms resting on your legs...
[18:44] <Koujiryuu> Breath in through the nose deeply, and center yourself.
[18:45] <Koujiryuu> relax, and as you breath in, raise your hands in a circle upwards and back down to the starting position (taiji: "lifting the sky" for anyone who knows it)....
[18:47] <Koujiryuu> here, this is the physical posture
[18:47] <Koujiryuu> 1. Stand relaxed and upright with your feet fairly close together.  Allow your arms to hand straight down, with the palms at right angles to the forearm (facing down), and the fingers pointing towards each other, in front of you.  Exhale.
[18:47] <Koujiryuu> 2.  Slowly raise your arms in a forward and upward arc so that the palms, still at right angles, now face skyward.  Breathe in gently through the nose as you raise the arms.  Follow the hands with your eyes and head.  
[18:47] <Koujiryuu> 3.  When you hands are above your head, gently hold your breath as you push (extend) your palms skyward, feel your back straighten.  As you push up, raise yourself up onto your toes.
[18:47] <Koujiryuu> 4.  Lower your arms out to the side and down so that they return to your starting position.  At the same time gently breathe out through your mouth.  Lower your head simultaneously with your arms so that you end up looking forward.  As you lower your arms, feel the energy flow down your entire body.
[18:47] <Koujiryuu> After completing the 10-20 reps, remain still for 30 seconds to one minute and just allow the Qi to flow.
[18:47] <Koujiryuu> The Art of Chi Kung - Making the Most of Your Vital Energy    Wong Kiew Kit
[18:48] <Koujiryuu> After about ten repititions your body should be very energized with qi...
[18:48] <Watchtower> Wong Kiew Kit...Baguazhang right?
[18:48] <Koujiryuu> He teaches many arts
[18:49] <Koujiryuu> I believe he comes from a shaolin lineage, though, so his qigong is a little different from daoist practice (bagua is a largely daoist art based on the yi jing/i ching)
[18:49] <Koujiryuu> After you are thoroughly energized from LtS...
[18:50] <Koujiryuu> fill your body entirely, pack it with qi from top to bottom, as much as you can hold, by standing still and meditating, breathing in and out, while drawing more qi up into you from the ground.
[18:50] <Koujiryuu> when you feel you have brought in as much as you can...
[18:51] <Koujiryuu> Start at the legs, and use your yi to pack it into the bone marrow..
[18:52] <Koujiryuu> compressing it into the bone marrow may be difficult to do at first...
[18:52] <Koujiryuu> It helps to do it bit-by-bit as you move up the body.
[18:53] <Koujiryuu> Once all of it is in the bone marrow (some qi may "spill out" so to speak. This is okay, it is just the qi that is used for vital functions being circulated to keep you alive)
[18:55] <Koujiryuu> Send it all to the lower dantian, the 1st cinnabar field....but move in a backwards order to the way you compressed it in originally (i.e. start at the head, then the fingertips and up the arm)...
[18:57] <Koujiryuu> .....the legs, starting by moving the energy at the toes (cuz as you move it upwards to the dantian, the rest of the energy in the legs comes with, see?) remember to move it all, and squeeze the newly formed jing, (which compresses further as you push it into the dantian)...
[18:59] <Koujiryuu> Note that this should only be done once a day at first, not repeatedly, as it can be quite a mentally draining task, until your yi strengthens more....of course, I don't doubt the strength of intent of those in the room.
[18:59] <Koujiryuu> However if you've never done "marrow washing" before, it can be very difficult.
[18:59] <Koujiryuu> Any questions?
[19:00] <kobok> Yeah.
[19:00] <kobok> What on earth is this for?
[19:00] <Koujiryuu> shoot
[19:00] <Sovereign> What is the goal of said exercise?
[19:01] <Koujiryuu> It builds up your personal stores of energy, for use in physical combat or psychic means.
[19:02] <Koujiryuu> Instead of drawing energy from other sources, you simply draw from the store of jing in the dantian.
[19:02] <Koujiryuu> To quote my mentor,
[19:03] <Koujiryuu> Jing: Neiqi is free-flowing and nice. It's good for health, meditation, etc. However, when put to use for martial applications, it falls short. However, neiqi can be converted into neijing, for the sharp demands of the Nei-jia. (Internal Martial Arts) Neijing will hence forth be called jing. Jing is at a higher frequency than qi- it's a lot more powerful. In the words of Waysun Liao, "Your opponenet can feel you jing, but not your qi.
[19:03] <Koujiryuu> I think it was quite wise when a famous Ba-gua master compared jing to a Dragon. If you treat the dragon right, you can unleash it on your opponent, and the dragon will lend you his strength.
[19:04] <Koujiryuu> You are building up your personal store of energy instead of simply relying on plain qi (which is of a much lower frequency)
[19:04] <Koujiryuu> And the microcosmic orbit cannot be done without jing
[19:05] <kobok> Koujiryuu:  You do realize I hope that when you throw in miscellaneous asian words like neiqi, jing, nei-jia, ba-gua, yi, etc, almost no one here knows what you mean.
[19:05] <Koujiryuu> Well, I explained the terms above....
[19:05] <Leondrel> I know what he means and I know diddly about qi and such
[19:05] <Watchtower> I know what he means
[19:06] <kobok> Leondrel:  Then what's the difference between yi, qi, jing, and neiqi?
[19:08] <Koujiryuu> If you guys can give me 15 minutes to eat, I can give you 15 minutes to try making jing (if you haven't tried yet)...I'll teach the MC orbit method.....and clear up any questions...when I get back
[19:08] <Koujiryuu>
[19:09] <kobok> Leondrel:  Was that your answer to my question?  
[19:09] <Watchtower> Yi is intent, qi is energy or vital life force, etc., Jing can be translated as "essence" or force/power, and is also commonly thought of as semen or all the tissues and fluids etc. of the body, and neiqi I'm a little hazy on
[19:09] <Leondrel> Neiqi is qi
[19:10] <Watchtower> Qi and Jing are 2 of the 3 Treasures
[19:10] <Leondrel> Is it Qi, Jing and Shen?
[19:10] <Watchtower> yes
[19:10] <Koujiryuu> it's the original qi you get from your parents. It's very miniscule....
[19:10] <Koujiryuu> stored in the lower field
[19:10] <Koujiryuu> it is built up more by making jing and taking it easy on sexual practices
[19:11] <Leondrel> The lower cinnabar is in your lower abdomen, yes?
[19:11] <kobok> So what indicates to us that qi, jing, and neiqi are actually separate things in reality?
[19:11] * Koujiryuu back to dinner table...
[19:11] <Koujiryuu> hold on
[19:11] <Watchtower> Leo: about 3 fingers below your navel, and a few inches inward
[19:12] <Leondrel> Yeah, thought so, thanks
[19:12] <Watchtower> refresh my memory, but is the lower dantien the same as the root chakra located at the coccyx/base of the spine
[19:12] <Watchtower> I've seen different teachings
[19:14] <Watchtower> kobok: qi circulates throught the body and is taken in/expelled through the chakras throughout the day, and also obtained through eating
[19:14] <Watchtower> it is energy
[19:14] <Leondrel> Isn't it mostly taken in through breath?
[19:14] <Watchtower> it would seem that neiqi and jing is a tricky subject though
[19:14] <Watchtower> yes
[19:15] <Watchtower> breathing, eating, qigong
[19:15] <Watchtower> wait, the chakras transform qi into different forms
[19:15] <Koujiryuu> yep
[19:17] <Koujiryuu> This is simply consciously using the yi/intent (which is seated at the ajna chakra) to transform universal qi you bring into yourself into a much more potent form to be used for qigong, or even psionic practice.
[19:18] <Koujiryuu> so in essence you are using the power of your mind to make a form of energy not normally produced in large amounts by the body.
[19:19] <Koujiryuu> and if you successfully do the exercise, you'll have no doubt of the potency of jing, and the fact that it does in fact exist as a tangible force...
[19:20] <Watchtower> I've seen that "marrow washing" thing before
[19:20] <Koujiryuu> Did you try the exercise yet?
[19:20] <Watchtower> I have before
[19:20] <Watchtower> not just now though
[19:21] <Watchtower> I'm waiting for you to finish
[19:21] <Koujiryuu> Oh, well that concludes the first part...
[19:22] <Koujiryuu> Before I can teach the microcosmic orbit, you guys have to make some jing. ^_^
[19:22] <Koujiryuu> As the MC orbit uses jing.
[19:23] <Koujiryuu> I'll let you guys try the method....
[19:23] <Koujiryuu> whoever wants to, that is.
[19:24] <Koujiryuu> My form of training isn't for everyone (read: Sovereign...maybe some others)
[19:25] <cryohorizon> We are going over increasing your jing
[19:25] <kobok> Koujiryuu:  What is experientially different about jing that makes it more potent?
[19:26] <Sovereign> I'm well aware of that, Koujiryuu.  Believe me, if I felt the desire to interject, I would have done so long ago.  
[19:28] <Koujiryuu> converting and creating
[19:28] <Nekodaimyo> So uhh not to sound exponentially naive but I have done some Zhan Zhaung exercises but I was under the impression Jing was just another interprettaion of Ki/hi/qi etc. was i right
[19:28] <Sovereign> Assuming you're speaking to me, Azazen – I'm not 'waiting'.  The key bit in my previous comment was 'felt the desire'.
[19:29] <Nekodaimyo> oh that should say chi not hi
[19:30] <Koujiryuu> Like I said...
[19:30] <Koujiryuu> If anyone is having difficulty, let me know.
[19:30] <Koujiryuu> If you've never done it before, it can be quite difficult, I know.
[19:31] <kobok> Koujiryuu:  It's a different question.  I heard your previous description and still wonder the same thing.
[19:34] <Nekodaimyo> so then it is just a different interprettation of ki manipulation
[19:36] <Nekodaimyo> could someone e-mail me a link to a good site on jing theory
[19:36] * Koujiryuu sighs
[19:36] <Koujiryuu> I'll see what I can find
[19:37] <Nekodaimyo> sorry to bother you and all though
[19:37] <Koujiryuu> You didn't respond to my PM.
[19:37] <Nekodaimyo> i did not see it
[19:37] <Nekodaimyo> ohh never mind i see how that works  now
[19:38] <Koujiryuu> ^_^
[19:39] <Leondrel> Kouji, is there a limit to how many times a day you can use Lifting the Sky, aside from yi?
[19:49] <Sovereign> So in short: the aforementioned exercise builds up the practitioners energy reservoirs; assuming they follow said paradigm?
[19:49] <Koujiryuu> yes, sov
[19:49] <Watchtower> what is it with you and paradigm, sov?
[19:49] <Watchtower> jk
[19:50] <Watchtower> reservoirs to be utilized for the micrcosmic orbit and any other endeavors
[19:50] <Koujiryuu> btw leon...
[19:50] <Sovereign> The paradigm is notably one of the most overlooked aspects of the occult; as it causes pointless dispute, in many cases.
[19:50] <Koujiryuu> to answer your question. Yes, you can do lifting the sky minus the intense gathering
[19:51] <Leondrel> Can you do the gathering aswell? Or is it considered unhealthy?
[19:51] <Koujiryuu> it is a good warm-up for any energetic practice, minus what is added to it in order to gather energy for marrow washing.
[19:52] <Koujiryuu> No, unless you focus and center the energy into the dantian.
[19:52] <Koujiryuu> Once you have gotten used to doing the whole exercise...
[19:53] <Koujiryuu> You can do it 3 times a day, preferably morning, mid-afternoon, and evening.
[19:53] <Sovereign> The methodology may prove to be useful for some; however, I find it illogical to simply draw from a resource that is finite in sustenance.  I prefer to implement the notorious nexus method; or sub consciously stay aligned with whichever entity I'm working with.
[19:53] <Koujiryuu> Ah, the resource starts out finite, but quickly becomes infinite inside of you when followed through with.
[19:54] <Watchtower> you consider the energy of the earth o be finite?
[19:54] <Koujiryuu> As eventually you raise the gathered storehold of jing to the ajna chakra, and unify the three seperates of qi, jing, and shen into one.
[19:54] <Koujiryuu>
[19:54] <Watchtower> oh, nm sov, i see what you mean
[19:55] <Sovereign> I don't associate 'qi' with the 'energy of earth' – and I was making reference to the etherical body/soul (let's not get into this today, Kobok).
[19:55] <Watchtower> kobok?
[19:55] <Koujiryuu> correct Sovereign.
[19:55] <Koujiryuu> Qi can come from everywhere, as it is everything.

(after this, it seems the discussion swerved rather suddenly into two or three other topics, none of which really had to deal with the microcosmic orbit. so i may have missed some ^_^)

[21:28] <Koujiryuu> Put your palms together in front of you, press them together and hold your pressed hands out in front of you with the fingertips pointing away from you....
[21:30] <Koujiryuu> now focus on the jing you stored earlier. Move some of it out of the dantien, up the governor (back meridian) and down the left arm to the middle of your hands. Let it remain there for about ten seconds. Now push it into the right arm, and up the arm, let it cross over the chest to the conception meridian, and let it then "fall" in entirety to the dantian again.

~kakkarot

ask for God's blessing []

~kakkarot

i find the best energy transfer between individuals is the love given in a hug [].

best wishes for you and your daughter []

~kakkarot

please define "true god" as there can be some confusions on what constitutes the classification of a god, let alone a "true god". thank you

~kakkarot

there is a lot that can be determined about a person by their handshake, but it's just a small aspect of the much larger skill of reading body language ^_^ there are quite a number of simple, quick, unintrusive ways to get insight into a person [].

as for the vampirism thing, it's a lot more complicated than what you've mentioned. for some weaker minded/spirited people trying to "become" energy vampires, they'll soon realize that other things come along with the energy, things which can cause confusion about one's identify (sometimes confusion enough to do serious psychological damage, though rare).

however, there are also psychic vampires out there who can easily take other people's energy and filter out that which is undesirable. in actuality, most SKILLED energy users should be able to "vamp" without much difficulty, and i'm not even going to get into the topic of the people who supposedly can't help but take other people's energies ^_^.

but to the mundanes who are just shaking hands, sometimes lots can happen, sometimes little can happen; it depends on the two shaking hands. but while ego's may collide quite strongly, most mundanes can take very little of your actual chi/energy via a handshake, not enough to make a difference in one's day-to-day life [].

edit: i just finished reading the article completely, and it's my opinion that the author is overexaggerating the handshake and the power of a "single thought" in the "hands" of a mundane ^_^.

~kakkarot

as boydster said, you can train yourself to not lose the energy. during the orgasm, if you try to keep a bit of your consciousness focused on keeping your energy within your body you should be able to cut the energy loss down by quite a bit. it might be hard at first with the distraction going on [] but if you're willing to give up a bit of the ecstacy of the moment you should be able to keep a lot of your energy that would normally be ejected, inside your body (those who are in low-energy environments might want to keep this in mind, while those who have no trouble drawing in more than enough energy probably won't feel the need to bother ^_^).

you can even go a step further and use that "free-floating" energy to enhance the spike of feeling of the orgasm. you can even, as you're sitting here now, reading this, use your energy to cause ecstacy spikes in your body, and by doing pretty much the same thing during the orgasm (might need to adjust a bit for the situation) it's sometimes powerful enough to nearly knock you out ^_^ have fun, but remember not to get addicted []

~kakkarot

from the book of enoch certain angels are named, though not as archangels, and are listed by what they watchover:
Chapter 20
1These are the names of the angels who watch.
2Uriel, one of the holy angels, who presides over clamor and terror.
3Raphael, one of the holy angels, who presides over the spirits of men.
4Raguel, one of the holy angels, who inflicts punishment on the world and the luminaries.
5Michael, one of the holy angels, who, presiding over human virtue, commands the nations.
6Sarakiel, one of the holy angels, who presides over the spirits of the children of men that transgress.
7Gabriel, one of the holy angels, who presides over Ikisat, (31) over paradise, and over the cherubim.
http://www.johnpratt.com/items/docs/enoch.html#20

~kakkarot